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On November 02 2015 08:31 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 08:29 Tiaraju9 wrote:
The question is: will lilbow take firecake place as the most hated french player after today? no, of course not... But I hope he understands why so many people are upset by his attitude tonight and works on his public image and communication.
i think hate is a strong word but he disappointed a lot of people
somewhat gonna regain that in the upcoming months imo
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I find it a bit ironic that we have Polt and Rain, the two players whose basic builds defined the MU for HOTS, playing in the final tournament of the year
Hard not to lean toward rain, though
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On November 02 2015 08:36 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 08:30 Swisslink wrote:On November 02 2015 08:17 Musicus wrote:On November 02 2015 08:13 TheDougler wrote:On November 02 2015 08:09 Musicus wrote:On November 02 2015 08:08 [PkF] Wire wrote:On November 02 2015 08:07 Musicus wrote:
Damn, TLO seems mad. Of course he is. He is as angry as he should be. He did a shameful display. What are people going to think of the foreign scene after that ? This is our best representative ? He can still redeem himself at DH Winter, I just don't get why anybody expected something different. It was phisically impossible to get efficient practice for this during the last 4 weeks. Of course he should've still done better than he did, because you don't lose 3 games like this in a row. Even if you played only LotV. Honestly, getting crushed like this happens. But the attitude, especially THIS is what bothers me. But again, there was no way for him to practice! If he went to Korea for practice, every single replay would've been sent to Life. So he stayed in EU, but there the server has been dead since WCS Season 3. It was a dilemma, so he chose to focus on DH winter, I don't blame him. He could've still done better today though, even while playing HotS, losing 3 games like this in a row is not necessary. Yes, it might have been hard for Lilbow to prepare properly - but the way he lost was still embarassing. No one can expect a flawless performance with the given difficulties to train. The shameful thing was that Lilbow literally seemed to have no clue about the basic timings in HotS ZvP. And these kind of things should really not happen. And Lilbow has a team, there must have been a Zerg or two as practice partner. The foreign scene should really be able to manage such minor things. I understand that he wants to do well in LotV - but always preparing for what might be happening in the future is really not the way to do it. I doubt Lilbow is ever going to get the opportunity to go to Blizzcon again. To really think the Koreans won't dominate in LotV as they do now is just rather stupid. I wouldn't even be surprised if some Korean guy who barely practiced LotV until DH:W just crushes all the European/American players. Okay, I get what you and the rest are saying. But as it was, the foreign scene was not able to get practice for Lilbow, they even asked every Korean team. So people just don't see how hard it would've been for him to prepare. It's sad that this is the truth and other foreigners didn't help him out etc..., but it is as it is. Also I do think he can get to BlizzCon again, he already proved that he can beat the Koreans that play in WCS. Why not in 2016? Maybe he will do bette then, since the other guys on the EU server will actually play game next year. Anyway, let's see what Polt can do, he was last in the community ranking, would be sick to see him surprise people now  .
He was last ? Behind Lilbow and Hydra ?
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Dark, soO, TY, Dear, Hyun I am so sorry. You got screwed by the system and had to watch the guy who benefitted from it throw it all away
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On November 02 2015 08:36 stuchiu wrote:
I thought I had no mercy
Oh my god this is great.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On November 02 2015 08:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 08:33 Nebuchad wrote:On November 02 2015 08:32 robson1 wrote:On November 02 2015 08:27 ZAiNs wrote:On November 02 2015 08:26 robson1 wrote:On November 02 2015 08:24 ZAiNs wrote:On November 02 2015 08:22 robson1 wrote:
I have a hard time believing this story by Lilbow tbh. I just can't picture that he couldn't ask TLO or Snute for example and practice with them. I mean those guys are not Life, and they also have no incentive to pratice, but I have a hard time believing that TLO for example would turn down such a request. TLO has played LotV for months. Snute went on a break and then started playing LotV. Practice against them would be a waste unless they were willing to 'waste' a lot of their time to get up to snuff with HotS and forget about getting good at LotV beta (and even then Lilbow would probably lose any ways). So you're telling me TLO needs 100 pratice games to pull of ling runbys and baneling busts? Lilbow didn't loose to some next level starcraft. He looked like a mid master player in these games. Yea, that's exactly what would have helped Lilbow! Practicing vs 100 Ling runbys in a row! Then he would have beat Life!!!!!!!!!! You're makin up a false dichotomy. Nobody expected him to beat life. Nobody is angry about him not beating life. People are angry, because he didn't try. Trying your hardest is at the heart of every serious competition, and if you don't try you might as well don't bother. What's your evidence that he didn't try? Do you think he threw the games? No. Because he didn't practice. He didn't take it seriously. He didn't lose on purpose, but he didn't put in any effort.
There is a lot of information coming out. Basically the entire HotS ladder in Korea and EU is dead.
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China2430 Posts
Perfect defense from both players
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On November 02 2015 08:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 08:33 Nebuchad wrote:On November 02 2015 08:32 robson1 wrote:On November 02 2015 08:27 ZAiNs wrote:On November 02 2015 08:26 robson1 wrote:On November 02 2015 08:24 ZAiNs wrote:On November 02 2015 08:22 robson1 wrote:
I have a hard time believing this story by Lilbow tbh. I just can't picture that he couldn't ask TLO or Snute for example and practice with them. I mean those guys are not Life, and they also have no incentive to pratice, but I have a hard time believing that TLO for example would turn down such a request. TLO has played LotV for months. Snute went on a break and then started playing LotV. Practice against them would be a waste unless they were willing to 'waste' a lot of their time to get up to snuff with HotS and forget about getting good at LotV beta (and even then Lilbow would probably lose any ways). So you're telling me TLO needs 100 pratice games to pull of ling runbys and baneling busts? Lilbow didn't loose to some next level starcraft. He looked like a mid master player in these games. Yea, that's exactly what would have helped Lilbow! Practicing vs 100 Ling runbys in a row! Then he would have beat Life!!!!!!!!!! You're makin up a false dichotomy. Nobody expected him to beat life. Nobody is angry about him not beating life. People are angry, because he didn't try. Trying your hardest is at the heart of every serious competition, and if you don't try you might as well don't bother. What's your evidence that he didn't try? Do you think he threw the games? No. Because he didn't practice. He didn't take it seriously. He didn't lose on purpose, but he didn't put in any effort.
So Zains' original counter to your point is valid.
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LOL. this is a good one :-)
But now, GO POLT GO!!!
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On November 02 2015 08:37 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 08:36 Musicus wrote:On November 02 2015 08:30 Swisslink wrote:On November 02 2015 08:17 Musicus wrote:On November 02 2015 08:13 TheDougler wrote:On November 02 2015 08:09 Musicus wrote:On November 02 2015 08:08 [PkF] Wire wrote:On November 02 2015 08:07 Musicus wrote:
Damn, TLO seems mad. Of course he is. He is as angry as he should be. He did a shameful display. What are people going to think of the foreign scene after that ? This is our best representative ? He can still redeem himself at DH Winter, I just don't get why anybody expected something different. It was phisically impossible to get efficient practice for this during the last 4 weeks. Of course he should've still done better than he did, because you don't lose 3 games like this in a row. Even if you played only LotV. Honestly, getting crushed like this happens. But the attitude, especially THIS is what bothers me. But again, there was no way for him to practice! If he went to Korea for practice, every single replay would've been sent to Life. So he stayed in EU, but there the server has been dead since WCS Season 3. It was a dilemma, so he chose to focus on DH winter, I don't blame him. He could've still done better today though, even while playing HotS, losing 3 games like this in a row is not necessary. Yes, it might have been hard for Lilbow to prepare properly - but the way he lost was still embarassing. No one can expect a flawless performance with the given difficulties to train. The shameful thing was that Lilbow literally seemed to have no clue about the basic timings in HotS ZvP. And these kind of things should really not happen. And Lilbow has a team, there must have been a Zerg or two as practice partner. The foreign scene should really be able to manage such minor things. I understand that he wants to do well in LotV - but always preparing for what might be happening in the future is really not the way to do it. I doubt Lilbow is ever going to get the opportunity to go to Blizzcon again. To really think the Koreans won't dominate in LotV as they do now is just rather stupid. I wouldn't even be surprised if some Korean guy who barely practiced LotV until DH:W just crushes all the European/American players. Okay, I get what you and the rest are saying. But as it was, the foreign scene was not able to get practice for Lilbow, they even asked every Korean team. So people just don't see how hard it would've been for him to prepare. It's sad that this is the truth and other foreigners didn't help him out etc..., but it is as it is. Also I do think he can get to BlizzCon again, he already proved that he can beat the Koreans that play in WCS. Why not in 2016? Maybe he will do bette then, since the other guys on the EU server will actually play game next year. Anyway, let's see what Polt can do, he was last in the community ranking, would be sick to see him surprise people now . He was last ? Behind Lilbow and Hydra ?
some silly people boosted up Lilbow
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On November 02 2015 08:34 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 08:34 Strela wrote:On November 02 2015 08:33 MaCRo.gg wrote:On November 02 2015 08:28 mderg wrote:On November 02 2015 08:21 MaCRo.gg wrote:On November 02 2015 08:17 Musicus wrote:On November 02 2015 08:13 TheDougler wrote:On November 02 2015 08:09 Musicus wrote:On November 02 2015 08:08 [PkF] Wire wrote:On November 02 2015 08:07 Musicus wrote:
Damn, TLO seems mad. Of course he is. He is as angry as he should be. He did a shameful display. What are people going to think of the foreign scene after that ? This is our best representative ? He can still redeem himself at DH Winter, I just don't get why anybody expected something different. It was phisically impossible to get efficient practice for this during the last 4 weeks. Of course he should've still done better than he did, because you don't lose 3 games like this in a row. Even if you played only LotV. Honestly, getting crushed like this happens. But the attitude, especially THIS is what bothers me. But again, there was no way for him to practice! If he went to Korea for practice, every single replay would've been sent to Life. So he stayed in EU, but there the server has been dead since WCS Season 3. It was a dilemma, so he chose to focus on DH winter, I don't blame him. He could've still done better today though, even while playing HotS, losing 3 games like this in a row is not necessary. Why would you assume that your replays would be sent to Life? Is it that safe to assume that no Koreans are willing to help out Lilbow and knowingly disadvantage him? Wouldn't Koreans want a less mechanically gifted player to go through Life so that they won't have to face Life? I think you might not know koreans I am Korean.... Then you should know how it works.... Koreans are a more "in-group" focused people, but they are humans so I would expect at least A FEW to not enjoy Life's guts anyway.
Were you looking for the word "collectivist" ?
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Where dat snitch at?36921 Posts
ME: Did you practice for your match against Lilbow?
LIFE: Nope.
ME: Do you feel bad for beating Lilbow that way?
LIFE: Nope.
ME: Was this planned or improvised?
LIFE: Game 1 was planned. The rest was improivsed.
ME: Do you feel anything right now?
LIFE: Nope. I'm indifferent. It was expected.
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On November 02 2015 08:36 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 08:30 Swisslink wrote:On November 02 2015 08:17 Musicus wrote:On November 02 2015 08:13 TheDougler wrote:On November 02 2015 08:09 Musicus wrote:On November 02 2015 08:08 [PkF] Wire wrote:On November 02 2015 08:07 Musicus wrote:
Damn, TLO seems mad. Of course he is. He is as angry as he should be. He did a shameful display. What are people going to think of the foreign scene after that ? This is our best representative ? He can still redeem himself at DH Winter, I just don't get why anybody expected something different. It was phisically impossible to get efficient practice for this during the last 4 weeks. Of course he should've still done better than he did, because you don't lose 3 games like this in a row. Even if you played only LotV. Honestly, getting crushed like this happens. But the attitude, especially THIS is what bothers me. But again, there was no way for him to practice! If he went to Korea for practice, every single replay would've been sent to Life. So he stayed in EU, but there the server has been dead since WCS Season 3. It was a dilemma, so he chose to focus on DH winter, I don't blame him. He could've still done better today though, even while playing HotS, losing 3 games like this in a row is not necessary. Yes, it might have been hard for Lilbow to prepare properly - but the way he lost was still embarassing. No one can expect a flawless performance with the given difficulties to train. The shameful thing was that Lilbow literally seemed to have no clue about the basic timings in HotS ZvP. And these kind of things should really not happen. And Lilbow has a team, there must have been a Zerg or two as practice partner. The foreign scene should really be able to manage such minor things. I understand that he wants to do well in LotV - but always preparing for what might be happening in the future is really not the way to do it. I doubt Lilbow is ever going to get the opportunity to go to Blizzcon again. To really think the Koreans won't dominate in LotV as they do now is just rather stupid. I wouldn't even be surprised if some Korean guy who barely practiced LotV until DH:W just crushes all the European/American players. Okay, I get what you and the rest are saying. But as it was, the foreign scene was not able to get practice for Lilbow, they even asked every Korean team. So people just don't see how hard it would've been for him to prepare. It's sad that this is the truth and other foreigners didn't help him out etc..., but it is as it is. Also I do think he can get to BlizzCon again, he already proved that he can beat the Koreans that play in WCS. Why not in 2016? Maybe he will do bette then, since the other guys on the EU server will actually play game next year. Anyway, let's see what Polt can do, he was last in the community ranking, would be sick to see him surprise people now .
There are more Koreans trying to get into WCS for next year though. Better players than Hydra, too.
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On November 02 2015 08:35 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 08:31 The_Templar wrote:Map: Moonlight Madness  Polt spawns in the top right  Rain spawns in the bottom left 2:00 Reaper first for Polt. Rain opening gate/gas into cybernetics core. 3:00 MSC core for Rain. Rain expands. Polt getting a factory after an expansion. 4:00 Rain scouts the factory, as there are no marines out yet. Two are being made. The reaper gets back home and kills the probe. Polt starts working on his back door rocks with his marines. 5:00 Stargate for Rain. Starport for Polt. Polt making a widow mine. The reaper hangs outside the natural of Rain.
Thank you for LRing this series I'm reduced to reading the LR.
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So far, all the favorites won ... will there be ANY surprise?
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On November 02 2015 08:37 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 08:36 Musicus wrote:On November 02 2015 08:30 Swisslink wrote:On November 02 2015 08:17 Musicus wrote:On November 02 2015 08:13 TheDougler wrote:On November 02 2015 08:09 Musicus wrote:On November 02 2015 08:08 [PkF] Wire wrote:On November 02 2015 08:07 Musicus wrote:
Damn, TLO seems mad. Of course he is. He is as angry as he should be. He did a shameful display. What are people going to think of the foreign scene after that ? This is our best representative ? He can still redeem himself at DH Winter, I just don't get why anybody expected something different. It was phisically impossible to get efficient practice for this during the last 4 weeks. Of course he should've still done better than he did, because you don't lose 3 games like this in a row. Even if you played only LotV. Honestly, getting crushed like this happens. But the attitude, especially THIS is what bothers me. But again, there was no way for him to practice! If he went to Korea for practice, every single replay would've been sent to Life. So he stayed in EU, but there the server has been dead since WCS Season 3. It was a dilemma, so he chose to focus on DH winter, I don't blame him. He could've still done better today though, even while playing HotS, losing 3 games like this in a row is not necessary. Yes, it might have been hard for Lilbow to prepare properly - but the way he lost was still embarassing. No one can expect a flawless performance with the given difficulties to train. The shameful thing was that Lilbow literally seemed to have no clue about the basic timings in HotS ZvP. And these kind of things should really not happen. And Lilbow has a team, there must have been a Zerg or two as practice partner. The foreign scene should really be able to manage such minor things. I understand that he wants to do well in LotV - but always preparing for what might be happening in the future is really not the way to do it. I doubt Lilbow is ever going to get the opportunity to go to Blizzcon again. To really think the Koreans won't dominate in LotV as they do now is just rather stupid. I wouldn't even be surprised if some Korean guy who barely practiced LotV until DH:W just crushes all the European/American players. Okay, I get what you and the rest are saying. But as it was, the foreign scene was not able to get practice for Lilbow, they even asked every Korean team. So people just don't see how hard it would've been for him to prepare. It's sad that this is the truth and other foreigners didn't help him out etc..., but it is as it is. Also I do think he can get to BlizzCon again, he already proved that he can beat the Koreans that play in WCS. Why not in 2016? Maybe he will do bette then, since the other guys on the EU server will actually play game next year. Anyway, let's see what Polt can do, he was last in the community ranking, would be sick to see him surprise people now . He was last ? Behind Lilbow and Hydra ?
Yep, dead last.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/496116-community-power-rank-v2-blizzcon-edition
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People are still trying to blame practice opportunities for this shitty performance of Lilbow? These build are around since WOL rofl. Every NOOB knows that he has to keep an eye on backdoor rocks on moonlight madness. Its just pathetic that he was so careless in his play. Also he wasn't able to adept in the slightest way. Life did not take him seriously and it turns out he was damn right about that. If this is what you get from region lock, then fuck it.
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On November 02 2015 08:37 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 08:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 02 2015 08:33 Nebuchad wrote:On November 02 2015 08:32 robson1 wrote:On November 02 2015 08:27 ZAiNs wrote:On November 02 2015 08:26 robson1 wrote:On November 02 2015 08:24 ZAiNs wrote:On November 02 2015 08:22 robson1 wrote:
I have a hard time believing this story by Lilbow tbh. I just can't picture that he couldn't ask TLO or Snute for example and practice with them. I mean those guys are not Life, and they also have no incentive to pratice, but I have a hard time believing that TLO for example would turn down such a request. TLO has played LotV for months. Snute went on a break and then started playing LotV. Practice against them would be a waste unless they were willing to 'waste' a lot of their time to get up to snuff with HotS and forget about getting good at LotV beta (and even then Lilbow would probably lose any ways). So you're telling me TLO needs 100 pratice games to pull of ling runbys and baneling busts? Lilbow didn't loose to some next level starcraft. He looked like a mid master player in these games. Yea, that's exactly what would have helped Lilbow! Practicing vs 100 Ling runbys in a row! Then he would have beat Life!!!!!!!!!! You're makin up a false dichotomy. Nobody expected him to beat life. Nobody is angry about him not beating life. People are angry, because he didn't try. Trying your hardest is at the heart of every serious competition, and if you don't try you might as well don't bother. What's your evidence that he didn't try? Do you think he threw the games? No. Because he didn't practice. He didn't take it seriously. He didn't lose on purpose, but he didn't put in any effort. There is a lot of information coming out. Basically the entire HotS ladder in Korea and EU is dead.
Isn't Korea only maphackers at this point and that's why the korean pors don't use it either?
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This is turning into Naniwa levels of juicy twitter drama I love it. I really hope we get an ESEX article about it. I know SC2 isn't really supported by esports express anymore (due to the visa versa of that when the chips were down unfortunately), but it'd be a GLORIOUS way to start LoTV.
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