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On May 01 2015 22:50 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2015 22:45 c0ldfusion wrote:On May 01 2015 22:42 TheDwf wrote:On May 01 2015 22:33 Noonius wrote:On May 01 2015 22:32 c0ldfusion wrote:
I wonder if David Kim will do something about SH if all zergs go extinct in GSL and S2SL. I seriously hope he doesn't. Let them zergs suffer for once Zergs are dominating out of Korea but are the third race in Korea for a few months already. There is every likelihood that the patch will further worsen the movement in Korea while not even addressing the first one (though it's quite secondary). As a result, the usual spoiled brats—too happy to confuse the two situations—will get what they want instead of what is needed. Reset the process as new symptoms occur. With all due respect, competition outside of Korea isn't really that relevant as far as game design and balance is concerned. Yes it is. Having a good game at all the stages, from newbies to pros, is essential. What's indeed irrelevant is the difference in learning curves, unforgiveness, etc., up to a certain extent. But what makes newbies flee and pros struggle in SC2 is 100% the same thing.
Looks like we just have a difference of opinion. I think balance and game design should fundamentally be dictated by the highest level of play and then trickled down.
In fact it would really strange for the game to be balanced at the top but very imbalanced on lower levels of play.
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On May 01 2015 22:56 Swisslink wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2015 22:50 ThomasjServo wrote:On May 01 2015 22:48 Zealously wrote:On May 01 2015 22:46 ThomasjServo wrote:On May 01 2015 22:45 c0ldfusion wrote:On May 01 2015 22:42 TheDwf wrote:On May 01 2015 22:33 Noonius wrote:On May 01 2015 22:32 c0ldfusion wrote:
I wonder if David Kim will do something about SH if all zergs go extinct in GSL and S2SL. I seriously hope he doesn't. Let them zergs suffer for once Zergs are dominating out of Korea but are the third race in Korea for a few months already. There is every likelihood that the patch will further worsen the movement in Korea while not even addressing the first one (though it's quite secondary). As a result, the usual spoiled brats—too happy to confuse the two situations—will get what they want instead of what is needed. Reset the process as new symptoms occur. With all due respect, competition outside of Korea isn't really that relevant as far as game design and balance is concerned. Gonna go that far, seriously? It's not unheard of for balance and popular styles to look entirely different in- and outside of Korea. Whether or not that means Korea should be the primary factor when assessing balance is another matter. I just find it dismissive is all, Korea-litist if you will. So you'd nerf a race that dominates outside of Korea, but gets wrecked in Korea? Ideally, the game should be balanced on most levels; but I'd prefer if they rather sacrificed the "foreigner"-balance than the "Korean"-balance
I'd prefer if they didn't touch the game anymore and let the players and map makers figure it out.
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
O wow soO 
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Looks like we're getting our first ro16 Zerg
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On May 01 2015 22:56 Swisslink wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2015 22:50 ThomasjServo wrote:On May 01 2015 22:48 Zealously wrote:On May 01 2015 22:46 ThomasjServo wrote:On May 01 2015 22:45 c0ldfusion wrote:On May 01 2015 22:42 TheDwf wrote:On May 01 2015 22:33 Noonius wrote:On May 01 2015 22:32 c0ldfusion wrote:
I wonder if David Kim will do something about SH if all zergs go extinct in GSL and S2SL. I seriously hope he doesn't. Let them zergs suffer for once Zergs are dominating out of Korea but are the third race in Korea for a few months already. There is every likelihood that the patch will further worsen the movement in Korea while not even addressing the first one (though it's quite secondary). As a result, the usual spoiled brats—too happy to confuse the two situations—will get what they want instead of what is needed. Reset the process as new symptoms occur. With all due respect, competition outside of Korea isn't really that relevant as far as game design and balance is concerned. Gonna go that far, seriously? It's not unheard of for balance and popular styles to look entirely different in- and outside of Korea. Whether or not that means Korea should be the primary factor when assessing balance is another matter. I just find it dismissive is all, Korea-litist if you will. So you'd nerf a race that dominates outside of Korea, but gets wrecked in Korea? Ideally, the game should be balanced on most levels; but I'd prefer if they rather sacrificed the "foreigner"-balance than the "Korean"-balance
You're extrapolating far too much from my statement. If you are asking if I think data from the other 80% of players shouldn't be ignored, I think it is less than ideal.
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fuck it, it's nydus time. Rogue please
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Valdez doing his best Tastosis impersonation.
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On May 01 2015 22:59 Ej_ wrote:
Valdez doing his best Tastosis impersonation.
shouldn't he be out of the studio for that
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On May 01 2015 23:00 Noonius wrote:I googled trickster something's not right here + Show Spoiler +
meow
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On May 01 2015 23:00 Noonius wrote:I googled trickster something's not right here + Show Spoiler +
seems about right to me.
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On May 01 2015 22:47 Alchemik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2015 22:42 TheDwf wrote:On May 01 2015 22:33 Noonius wrote:On May 01 2015 22:32 c0ldfusion wrote:
I wonder if David Kim will do something about SH if all zergs go extinct in GSL and S2SL. I seriously hope he doesn't. Let them zergs suffer for once Zergs are dominating out of Korea but are the third race in Korea for a few months already. There is every likelihood that the patch will further worsen the movement in Korea while not even addressing the first one (though it's quite secondary). As a result, the usual spoiled brats—too happy to confuse the two situations—will get what they want instead of what is needed. Reset the process as new symptoms occur. what do you mean that they're dominating? the amount of Zergs in WCS, I assume?
It's more complicated, even if it clearly appears in the EU pro scene at times; like this season indeed. The thing is, several things collide into each other and people try to pull the cover while missing the much more important global picture. All of this occurs in the climate of racial wars because players are simply frustrated with the architecture of the game, so fatally we get things like this:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 01 2015 22:53 Solar424 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2015 22:42 TheDwf wrote:On May 01 2015 22:33 Noonius wrote:On May 01 2015 22:32 c0ldfusion wrote:
I wonder if David Kim will do something about SH if all zergs go extinct in GSL and S2SL. I seriously hope he doesn't. Let them zergs suffer for once Zergs are dominating out of Korea but are the third race in Korea for a few months already. There is every likelihood that the patch will further worsen the movement in Korea while not even addressing the first one (though it's quite secondary). As a result, the usual spoiled brats—too happy to confuse the two situations—will get what they want instead of what is needed. Reset the process as new symptoms occur. You have a very strange definition of dominating. Is it when a race other than Terran wins tournaments?
Especially as Elders have almost disappeared and most people can't stand back with the necessary historical perspective. Back then Protoss was already called 1a2a3a4a because spreading Tanks etc. was more difficult indeed than charging Zealots/Dragoons at certain levels. But the game had enough depth to stand those little shocks. Now no more and we have a state of constant crisis
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Turn on the aggression Rogue!!!
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Rogue is just having a good time at this point, lol
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
kinda insane move-out there
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How about it! Rogue and Fantasy made it through.
Life is good.
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