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c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
May 01 2015 13:57 GMT
#1101
On May 01 2015 22:50 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2015 22:45 c0ldfusion wrote:
On May 01 2015 22:42 TheDwf wrote:
On May 01 2015 22:33 Noonius wrote:
On May 01 2015 22:32 c0ldfusion wrote:
I wonder if David Kim will do something about SH if all zergs go extinct in GSL and S2SL.


I seriously hope he doesn't. Let them zergs suffer for once

Zergs are dominating out of Korea but are the third race in Korea for a few months already. There is every likelihood that the patch will further worsen the movement in Korea while not even addressing the first one (though it's quite secondary). As a result, the usual spoiled brats—too happy to confuse the two situations—will get what they want instead of what is needed. Reset the process as new symptoms occur.


With all due respect, competition outside of Korea isn't really that relevant as far as game design and balance is concerned.

Yes it is. Having a good game at all the stages, from newbies to pros, is essential. What's indeed irrelevant is the difference in learning curves, unforgiveness, etc., up to a certain extent. But what makes newbies flee and pros struggle in SC2 is 100% the same thing.


Looks like we just have a difference of opinion. I think balance and game design should fundamentally be dictated by the highest level of play and then trickled down.

In fact it would really strange for the game to be balanced at the top but very imbalanced on lower levels of play.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
May 01 2015 13:57 GMT
#1102
On May 01 2015 22:56 Swisslink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2015 22:50 ThomasjServo wrote:
On May 01 2015 22:48 Zealously wrote:
On May 01 2015 22:46 ThomasjServo wrote:
On May 01 2015 22:45 c0ldfusion wrote:
On May 01 2015 22:42 TheDwf wrote:
On May 01 2015 22:33 Noonius wrote:
On May 01 2015 22:32 c0ldfusion wrote:
I wonder if David Kim will do something about SH if all zergs go extinct in GSL and S2SL.


I seriously hope he doesn't. Let them zergs suffer for once

Zergs are dominating out of Korea but are the third race in Korea for a few months already. There is every likelihood that the patch will further worsen the movement in Korea while not even addressing the first one (though it's quite secondary). As a result, the usual spoiled brats—too happy to confuse the two situations—will get what they want instead of what is needed. Reset the process as new symptoms occur.


With all due respect, competition outside of Korea isn't really that relevant as far as game design and balance is concerned.

Gonna go that far, seriously?


It's not unheard of for balance and popular styles to look entirely different in- and outside of Korea. Whether or not that means Korea should be the primary factor when assessing balance is another matter.

I just find it dismissive is all, Korea-litist if you will.


So you'd nerf a race that dominates outside of Korea, but gets wrecked in Korea?
Ideally, the game should be balanced on most levels; but I'd prefer if they rather sacrificed the "foreigner"-balance than the "Korean"-balance

I'd prefer if they didn't touch the game anymore and let the players and map makers figure it out.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
May 01 2015 13:57 GMT
#1103
O wow soO
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
May 01 2015 13:58 GMT
#1104
Looks like we're getting our first ro16 Zerg
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
May 01 2015 13:58 GMT
#1105
On May 01 2015 22:56 Swisslink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2015 22:50 ThomasjServo wrote:
On May 01 2015 22:48 Zealously wrote:
On May 01 2015 22:46 ThomasjServo wrote:
On May 01 2015 22:45 c0ldfusion wrote:
On May 01 2015 22:42 TheDwf wrote:
On May 01 2015 22:33 Noonius wrote:
On May 01 2015 22:32 c0ldfusion wrote:
I wonder if David Kim will do something about SH if all zergs go extinct in GSL and S2SL.


I seriously hope he doesn't. Let them zergs suffer for once

Zergs are dominating out of Korea but are the third race in Korea for a few months already. There is every likelihood that the patch will further worsen the movement in Korea while not even addressing the first one (though it's quite secondary). As a result, the usual spoiled brats—too happy to confuse the two situations—will get what they want instead of what is needed. Reset the process as new symptoms occur.


With all due respect, competition outside of Korea isn't really that relevant as far as game design and balance is concerned.

Gonna go that far, seriously?


It's not unheard of for balance and popular styles to look entirely different in- and outside of Korea. Whether or not that means Korea should be the primary factor when assessing balance is another matter.

I just find it dismissive is all, Korea-litist if you will.


So you'd nerf a race that dominates outside of Korea, but gets wrecked in Korea?
Ideally, the game should be balanced on most levels; but I'd prefer if they rather sacrificed the "foreigner"-balance than the "Korean"-balance

You're extrapolating far too much from my statement. If you are asking if I think data from the other 80% of players shouldn't be ignored, I think it is less than ideal.
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
May 01 2015 13:58 GMT
#1106
fuck it, it's nydus time. Rogue please
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
May 01 2015 13:59 GMT
#1107
Valdez doing his best Tastosis impersonation.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
May 01 2015 14:00 GMT
#1108
I googled trickster

something's not right here

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
May 01 2015 14:00 GMT
#1109
Trust with the GG timing
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
May 01 2015 14:00 GMT
#1110
On May 01 2015 22:59 Ej_ wrote:
Valdez doing his best Tastosis impersonation.


shouldn't he be out of the studio for that
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
May 01 2015 14:01 GMT
#1111
On May 01 2015 23:00 Noonius wrote:
I googled trickster

something's not right here

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


meow
rip passion
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
May 01 2015 14:01 GMT
#1112
On May 01 2015 23:00 Noonius wrote:
I googled trickster

something's not right here

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

seems about right to me.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
May 01 2015 14:02 GMT
#1113
On May 01 2015 22:47 Alchemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2015 22:42 TheDwf wrote:
On May 01 2015 22:33 Noonius wrote:
On May 01 2015 22:32 c0ldfusion wrote:
I wonder if David Kim will do something about SH if all zergs go extinct in GSL and S2SL.


I seriously hope he doesn't. Let them zergs suffer for once

Zergs are dominating out of Korea but are the third race in Korea for a few months already. There is every likelihood that the patch will further worsen the movement in Korea while not even addressing the first one (though it's quite secondary). As a result, the usual spoiled brats—too happy to confuse the two situations—will get what they want instead of what is needed. Reset the process as new symptoms occur.

what do you mean that they're dominating? the amount of Zergs in WCS, I assume?

It's more complicated, even if it clearly appears in the EU pro scene at times; like this season indeed. The thing is, several things collide into each other and people try to pull the cover while missing the much more important global picture. All of this occurs in the climate of racial wars because players are simply frustrated with the architecture of the game, so fatally we get things like this:

+ Show Spoiler +
On May 01 2015 22:53 Solar424 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2015 22:42 TheDwf wrote:
On May 01 2015 22:33 Noonius wrote:
On May 01 2015 22:32 c0ldfusion wrote:
I wonder if David Kim will do something about SH if all zergs go extinct in GSL and S2SL.


I seriously hope he doesn't. Let them zergs suffer for once

Zergs are dominating out of Korea but are the third race in Korea for a few months already. There is every likelihood that the patch will further worsen the movement in Korea while not even addressing the first one (though it's quite secondary). As a result, the usual spoiled brats—too happy to confuse the two situations—will get what they want instead of what is needed. Reset the process as new symptoms occur.

You have a very strange definition of dominating. Is it when a race other than Terran wins tournaments?


Especially as Elders have almost disappeared and most people can't stand back with the necessary historical perspective. Back then Protoss was already called 1a2a3a4a because spreading Tanks etc. was more difficult indeed than charging Zealots/Dragoons at certain levels. But the game had enough depth to stand those little shocks. Now no more and we have a state of constant crisis
spoonmaster
Profile Joined May 2012
United States347 Posts
May 01 2015 14:02 GMT
#1114
Turn on the aggression Rogue!!!
Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
May 01 2015 14:03 GMT
#1115
Rogue is just having a good time at this point, lol
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
May 01 2015 14:03 GMT
#1116
Do or DOINE
RaFox17
Profile Joined May 2013
Finland4581 Posts
May 01 2015 14:04 GMT
#1117
Rogue GG
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 01 2015 14:04 GMT
#1118
kinda insane move-out there
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
May 01 2015 14:04 GMT
#1119
GG Rogue
Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
May 01 2015 14:04 GMT
#1120
How about it! Rogue and Fantasy made it through.

Life is good.
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