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Austria24417 Posts
On March 15 2015 07:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 07:24 royalroadweed wrote:On March 15 2015 07:20 Shellshock wrote:On March 15 2015 07:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:
What I like best about PvP is that it's like a magic hat. You can reach in there and get literally anything. Sometimes you draw a wonderful set of flowers, sometimes there's a rat in it that bites your fingers off. or maybe it's like magic because you're trying to get us to buy into an illusion This was a damn good comeback. Both clever and in context. 10/10. Yeah shellshock is really witty
[23:19:32] Michael Byers: my dog likes to jog
in the morning fog
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Hahahahaha all of this for a PvP final
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On March 15 2015 07:24 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 07:21 KelsierSC wrote:
I know it's sort of "weird" but I think high level PvP offers the most potential for a total fucking stomp. Like one guy just get's in his opponents head and just totally obliterates him and makes him look silly.
Like the GSL final between Seed and MC. That whole series was totally surreal as Seed just got inside MC's brain and started dicking around with the wires. I don't think that was about PvP though. That was something that Seed did to people. You can see it throughout his entire GSL run. Symbol, Byun, etc. all could have beaten him. But he got in their head somehow and messed with their wires.
Seed used dts and then Byun sat in the middle of the map for 10 minutes doing nothing.
Symbol was just too stubborn to realize ultra queen bane sucks, go infestor bl. Once he did he beat Seed on the rematch.
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United Kingdom10443 Posts
I think zest's micro was pretty awesome in the battle. good FF and focus firing the vikings so his collo reigned supreme
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On March 15 2015 07:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 07:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:On March 15 2015 07:24 royalroadweed wrote:On March 15 2015 07:20 Shellshock wrote:On March 15 2015 07:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:
What I like best about PvP is that it's like a magic hat. You can reach in there and get literally anything. Sometimes you draw a wonderful set of flowers, sometimes there's a rat in it that bites your fingers off. or maybe it's like magic because you're trying to get us to buy into an illusion This was a damn good comeback. Both clever and in context. 10/10. Yeah shellshock is really witty [23:19:32] Michael Byers: my dog likes to jog in the morning fog
Thx for proving my point ^^
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Austria24417 Posts
On March 15 2015 07:28 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 07:24 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 15 2015 07:21 KelsierSC wrote:
I know it's sort of "weird" but I think high level PvP offers the most potential for a total fucking stomp. Like one guy just get's in his opponents head and just totally obliterates him and makes him look silly.
Like the GSL final between Seed and MC. That whole series was totally surreal as Seed just got inside MC's brain and started dicking around with the wires. I don't think that was about PvP though. That was something that Seed did to people. You can see it throughout his entire GSL run. Symbol, Byun, etc. all could have beaten him. But he got in their head somehow and messed with their wires. Seed used dts and then Byun sat in the middle of the map for 10 minutes doing nothing. Symbol was just too stubborn to realize ultra queen bane sucks, go infestor bl. Once he did he beat Seed on the rematch.
Symbol was up 2-0 and then Seed put a fucking manner nexus in his face. Byun had the series won and then Seed put DTs in his face.
Seed went on to turn both series around. Illusionist protoss indeed. He made himself look bigger than he was, and so he was.
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On March 15 2015 07:27 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 07:22 Rollora wrote:On March 15 2015 07:17 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On March 15 2015 07:16 Rollora wrote:On March 15 2015 07:13 Deathstar wrote:On March 15 2015 07:12 THM wrote:
Great tournament but I'm so disappointed that there's gonna be PvP finals tomorrow. I had invited friends over to watch but I don't think they'll want to come now ;( PvP is highly action packed with lots of micro, like dota. Stuff will be happening everywhere. Def bring your friends over! Are you making fun of something? "lots of micro" :D Ever played a High-Level Tvs anything? You wouldn't call "blink somewhere" lots of micro. You are one of the most delusional people I've ever come across... Ok. Then tell me what is there so much to micro. I mean: when I get terran (I play random mostly)-> When I encounter a protoss army, I move the marauders in Front, I marines in the back, medivacs on a different control group or they won't heal, split the army and spread it, stim parts of the army, select another control group (ghosts) and try to emp, focus down colossi with vikings while avoiding stalkers. Kite Chargelots and avoid STORMS (they kill terrans, EMP alone kills nothing, just shield). During fights I have around 250 APM, which isn't great. But its a hell lot of micro. Tell me what Protoss has so much to micro here? Select clossi and move it back? Or in a stalker vs stalker battle select the weakened stalker and blink it back. You must be kidding when you say that is a lot of micro. bring zealots to front, dodge emps and snipes, focus fire vikings with stalkers, pull weaken colossus back, storm....
Since I play random and also play Toss I can assure you managing one big ball that only has one caster (Templar) is simply easier then managing a spreaded army from not dying. Plus... oh yeah I forgot dodging storms, since when you don't dodge an EMP your army is still there, but if a terran doesn't dodge a storm... you see?
Really we can agree that Terran is mechanically more demanding then toss here.
I agree that it is a hell of a lot of training required, to use all the Toss abilities to the max.
But don't make a fool out of yourself again and say in a fight you have to do the same ammount of micro then the terran
Especially fun is the lategame when you catch the terran by surprise: When you are 2 seconds early the terran can spread shit, he cannot bring anything to the front, back or position vikings. you just a move and storm. Doesn't work the other way around unfortunately, since the terran has to position himself so well the protoss will notice it in time (and just moves back or makes some FF)
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On March 15 2015 07:28 TheDwf wrote:
Hahahahaha all of this for a PvP final
I haven't seen you around as much lately, what are you up to?
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On March 15 2015 07:27 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 07:22 Rollora wrote:On March 15 2015 07:17 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On March 15 2015 07:16 Rollora wrote:On March 15 2015 07:13 Deathstar wrote:On March 15 2015 07:12 THM wrote:
Great tournament but I'm so disappointed that there's gonna be PvP finals tomorrow. I had invited friends over to watch but I don't think they'll want to come now ;( PvP is highly action packed with lots of micro, like dota. Stuff will be happening everywhere. Def bring your friends over! Are you making fun of something? "lots of micro" :D Ever played a High-Level Tvs anything? You wouldn't call "blink somewhere" lots of micro. You are one of the most delusional people I've ever come across... Ok. Then tell me what is there so much to micro. I mean: when I get terran (I play random mostly)-> When I encounter a protoss army, I move the marauders in Front, I marines in the back, medivacs on a different control group or they won't heal, split the army and spread it, stim parts of the army, select another control group (ghosts) and try to emp, focus down colossi with vikings while avoiding stalkers. During fights I have around 250 APM, which isn't great. But its a hell lot of micro. Tell me what Protoss has so much to micro here? Select clossi and move it back? Or in a stalker vs stalker battle select the weakened stalker and blink it back. You must be kidding when you say that is a lot of micro. bring zealots to front, dodge emps and snipes, focus fire vikings with stalkers, pull weaken colossus back, storm....
both sides have to micro much but i think the main difference is that terran needs to control 3 control groups (bio, ghost, viking) compared to the two of the protoss). that makes it much harder because it's also very time consuming to constantly add units to three different control groups etc.
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United Kingdom10443 Posts
alright bed time for me
I will try and watch the finals tomorrow.
might get some pinot grigio and drunkenly LR a matchup I know nothing about.
gl gl
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On March 15 2015 07:22 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 07:21 Phredxor wrote:I don't know why people can't just band together and enjoy TvT and PvP and hate on the trash that is ZvZ instead.  I hate Night Elf vs Night Elf. Trash that instead
Orc vs Orc is worse
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On March 15 2015 07:30 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 07:27 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On March 15 2015 07:22 Rollora wrote:On March 15 2015 07:17 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On March 15 2015 07:16 Rollora wrote:On March 15 2015 07:13 Deathstar wrote:On March 15 2015 07:12 THM wrote:
Great tournament but I'm so disappointed that there's gonna be PvP finals tomorrow. I had invited friends over to watch but I don't think they'll want to come now ;( PvP is highly action packed with lots of micro, like dota. Stuff will be happening everywhere. Def bring your friends over! Are you making fun of something? "lots of micro" :D Ever played a High-Level Tvs anything? You wouldn't call "blink somewhere" lots of micro. You are one of the most delusional people I've ever come across... Ok. Then tell me what is there so much to micro. I mean: when I get terran (I play random mostly)-> When I encounter a protoss army, I move the marauders in Front, I marines in the back, medivacs on a different control group or they won't heal, split the army and spread it, stim parts of the army, select another control group (ghosts) and try to emp, focus down colossi with vikings while avoiding stalkers. During fights I have around 250 APM, which isn't great. But its a hell lot of micro. Tell me what Protoss has so much to micro here? Select clossi and move it back? Or in a stalker vs stalker battle select the weakened stalker and blink it back. You must be kidding when you say that is a lot of micro. bring zealots to front, dodge emps and snipes, focus fire vikings with stalkers, pull weaken colossus back, storm.... Since I play random and also play Toss I can assure you managing one big ball that only has one caster (Templar) is simply easier then managing a spreaded army from not dying. Plus... oh yeah I forgot dodging storms, since when you don't dodge an EMP your army is still there, but if a terran doesn't dodge a storm... you see? Really we can agree that Terran is mechanically more demanding then toss here. I agree that it is a hell of a lot of training required, to use all the Toss abilities to the max.
See this whole argumentation is really stupid cause we talked about mirrors in the first place.
Nice try though
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On March 15 2015 07:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 07:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:On March 15 2015 07:24 royalroadweed wrote:On March 15 2015 07:20 Shellshock wrote:On March 15 2015 07:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:
What I like best about PvP is that it's like a magic hat. You can reach in there and get literally anything. Sometimes you draw a wonderful set of flowers, sometimes there's a rat in it that bites your fingers off. or maybe it's like magic because you're trying to get us to buy into an illusion This was a damn good comeback. Both clever and in context. 10/10. Yeah shellshock is really witty [23:19:32] Michael Byers: my dog likes to jog in the morning fog
now the world knows his real name!
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On March 15 2015 07:31 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 07:22 KelsierSC wrote:On March 15 2015 07:21 Phredxor wrote:I don't know why people can't just band together and enjoy TvT and PvP and hate on the trash that is ZvZ instead. I hate Night Elf vs Night Elf. Trash that instead Orc vs Orc is worse
The battle of the blademasters
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On March 15 2015 07:32 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 07:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 15 2015 07:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:On March 15 2015 07:24 royalroadweed wrote:On March 15 2015 07:20 Shellshock wrote:On March 15 2015 07:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:
What I like best about PvP is that it's like a magic hat. You can reach in there and get literally anything. Sometimes you draw a wonderful set of flowers, sometimes there's a rat in it that bites your fingers off. or maybe it's like magic because you're trying to get us to buy into an illusion This was a damn good comeback. Both clever and in context. 10/10. Yeah shellshock is really witty [23:19:32] Michael Byers: my dog likes to jog in the morning fog now the world knows his real name!
Thought it was HAL 9000
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On March 15 2015 07:33 Lexender wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 07:31 Caihead wrote:On March 15 2015 07:22 KelsierSC wrote:On March 15 2015 07:21 Phredxor wrote:I don't know why people can't just band together and enjoy TvT and PvP and hate on the trash that is ZvZ instead. I hate Night Elf vs Night Elf. Trash that instead Orc vs Orc is worse The battle of the blademasters
The Incas
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On March 15 2015 07:33 Lexender wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 07:31 Caihead wrote:On March 15 2015 07:22 KelsierSC wrote:On March 15 2015 07:21 Phredxor wrote:I don't know why people can't just band together and enjoy TvT and PvP and hate on the trash that is ZvZ instead. I hate Night Elf vs Night Elf. Trash that instead Orc vs Orc is worse The battle of the blademasters
"I wind walked after getting a hit in FIRST!"
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On March 15 2015 07:31 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 07:22 KelsierSC wrote:On March 15 2015 07:21 Phredxor wrote:I don't know why people can't just band together and enjoy TvT and PvP and hate on the trash that is ZvZ instead. I hate Night Elf vs Night Elf. Trash that instead Orc vs Orc is worse
Orc vs Orc near a heal fountain !
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On March 15 2015 07:31 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 07:30 Rollora wrote:On March 15 2015 07:27 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On March 15 2015 07:22 Rollora wrote:On March 15 2015 07:17 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On March 15 2015 07:16 Rollora wrote:On March 15 2015 07:13 Deathstar wrote:On March 15 2015 07:12 THM wrote:
Great tournament but I'm so disappointed that there's gonna be PvP finals tomorrow. I had invited friends over to watch but I don't think they'll want to come now ;( PvP is highly action packed with lots of micro, like dota. Stuff will be happening everywhere. Def bring your friends over! Are you making fun of something? "lots of micro" :D Ever played a High-Level Tvs anything? You wouldn't call "blink somewhere" lots of micro. You are one of the most delusional people I've ever come across... Ok. Then tell me what is there so much to micro. I mean: when I get terran (I play random mostly)-> When I encounter a protoss army, I move the marauders in Front, I marines in the back, medivacs on a different control group or they won't heal, split the army and spread it, stim parts of the army, select another control group (ghosts) and try to emp, focus down colossi with vikings while avoiding stalkers. During fights I have around 250 APM, which isn't great. But its a hell lot of micro. Tell me what Protoss has so much to micro here? Select clossi and move it back? Or in a stalker vs stalker battle select the weakened stalker and blink it back. You must be kidding when you say that is a lot of micro. bring zealots to front, dodge emps and snipes, focus fire vikings with stalkers, pull weaken colossus back, storm.... Since I play random and also play Toss I can assure you managing one big ball that only has one caster (Templar) is simply easier then managing a spreaded army from not dying. Plus... oh yeah I forgot dodging storms, since when you don't dodge an EMP your army is still there, but if a terran doesn't dodge a storm... you see? Really we can agree that Terran is mechanically more demanding then toss here. I agree that it is a hell of a lot of training required, to use all the Toss abilities to the max. See this whole argumentation is really stupid cause we talked about mirrors in the first place. Nice try though
I was just pointing out, there isn't MUCH micro in a PvP if you ever saw what real micro is.
Indeed changing to non-mirror matchup was stupid from me, but I tried to prove you, that there may be micro involved, but it is never "much" compared to other matchups.
So don't try to sell this to me. And for the action part... well. If its early game vs early game - yes.
But so many games were "avoiding his army" till the point of no return and then a-move.
But I think there will be bullshit and lazers and I don't care about that
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