EPTOn March 15 2015 07:31 DJHelium wrote:
I haven't seen you around as much lately, what are you up to?
I haven't seen you around as much lately, what are you up to?
Saving the world
[IEM Season IX] Katowice - Day 3 - Page 254
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
Saving the world | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
#justTheDwfthings | ||
Olli
Austria24422 Posts
I knew there was a french batman | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On March 15 2015 07:37 Rollora wrote: I was just pointing out, there isn't MUCH micro in a PvP if you ever saw what real micro is. Indeed changing to non-mirror matchup was stupid from me, but I tried to prove you, that there may be micro involved, but it is never "much" compared to other matchups. So don't try to sell this to me. And for the action part... well. If its early game vs early game - yes. But so many games were "avoiding his army" till the point of no return and then a-move. But I think there will be bullshit and lazers and I don't care about that I think these are just different types of micro tbh. Protoss micro is a lot about being precise i think. You have to hit good storms (yes if you spam them a "good" storm may seem ridiculous, but that's not always the case tbh), you need good forcefields (again, people don't like them for various reasons, but it is really important to be as precise as possible there). Then the overall army, in general you have less units than the other two armies, which makes the positioning and micro of single units way more important overall. At least that's the way i am lookign at it since i played random for a while | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Soooo Playing csgo/HOTS i think :/ (well i am too -.-) | ||
Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
On March 15 2015 07:48 Darkhorse wrote: The results of this tournament hurt my very soul. Go win Trap so this is at least salvageable. my sentiments exactly | ||
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Rollora
2450 Posts
On March 15 2015 07:44 The_Red_Viper wrote: I think these are just different types of micro tbh. Protoss micro is a lot about being precise i think. You have to hit good storms (yes if you spam them a "good" storm may seem ridiculous, but that's not always the case tbh), you need good forcefields (again, people don't like them for various reasons, but it is really important to be as precise as possible there). Then the overall army, in general you have less units than the other two armies, which makes the positioning and micro of single units way more important overall. At least that's the way i am lookign at it since i played random for a while Ok I can give you all that. Protoss micro needs to be of more quality and T micro is more quantity. As a former main terran, i just felt about the quantity word (much). I agree that the toss micro has to be more precise (or you blink to death). Since Toss has less but more expensive units, this seems to be natural. So we are both right? GG out | ||
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Liman
Serbia681 Posts
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Rollora
2450 Posts
On March 15 2015 07:55 Liman wrote: Well im not watching finals thats for sure... Well I know a LOT of ppl who don't like PvP so yeah, | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On March 15 2015 07:30 Rollora wrote: Since I play random and also play Toss I can assure you managing one big ball that only has one caster (Templar) is simply easier then managing a spreaded army from not dying. Plus... oh yeah I forgot dodging storms, since when you don't dodge an EMP your army is still there, but if a terran doesn't dodge a storm... you see? Really we can agree that Terran is mechanically more demanding then toss here. I agree that it is a hell of a lot of training required, to use all the Toss abilities to the max. But don't make a fool out of yourself again and say in a fight you have to do the same ammount of micro then the terran Especially fun is the lategame when you catch the terran by surprise: When you are 2 seconds early the terran can spread shit, he cannot bring anything to the front, back or position vikings. you just a move and storm. Doesn't work the other way around unfortunately, since the terran has to position himself so well the protoss will notice it in time (and just moves back or makes some FF)  | ||
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KingAlphard
Italy1705 Posts
DTs have won lots of games, but it's really not fun to play dts on ladder, you basically rely on your opponent not defending properly or not expecting them. It's like you aren't in control of your game anymore. | ||
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Elentos
55561 Posts
On March 15 2015 08:12 KingAlphard wrote: This tournament has been so terrible. Protoss winning with the same old bullshit builds. If at least they invented something new it would have been exiciting but nope. The only interesting thing is Trap's double oracle play (I always build only 1 versus terran), but that's it. DTs have won lots of games, but it's really not fun to play dts on ladder, you basically rely on your opponent not defending properly or not expecting them. It's like you aren't in control of your game anymore. The tournament is not terrible because of Protoss winning with bullshit builds, though. The tournament is very weak because basically everyone plays like shit. And the lack of Protoss re-invention is, in part, to blame on the map pool that's really, really bad. | ||
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caznitch
Canada645 Posts
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Elentos
55561 Posts
On March 15 2015 08:20 caznitch wrote: Wow.... Really surprised to see the comments here. I just finished watching the rest of day 2 (have watched every match so far) and was sure there would be enthusiasm for how this tourney has gone so far. The variety of the builds are great, the protoss players (hero, zest, trap) were showing really unique styles with everything from Colosi drop to double oracle to standard macro. There is the "Zest is back" underdog story and the first mirror matchup for a finals. I don't know how you can call yourselves sc2 fans and not be loving this tournament so far. Because everybody, literally everybody except for Fantasy, is underperforming. herO, after barely defeating Cure who practically defeated himself on Deadwing, looked like a buffoon against Bbyong who looked horrible against Zest who looked bad throughout the tournament, and still beat INnoVation who beat Life. Patience played the worst out of any player in the tournament and got stomped by Maru, who missed a nydus worm in his main, in plain view, and stood no chance against Dark, who had bigger issues with quasi-retired TaeJa. Dark then makes himself look like a fool with his outrageously bad engagement on Expedition Lost against Trap. Trap barely beat Flash and Fantasy, who were by no means favourites, and Flash wasn't even playing that well. TL;DR: Game quality underwhelming. | ||
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royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
On March 15 2015 08:12 KingAlphard wrote: This tournament has been so terrible. Protoss winning with the same old bullshit builds. If at least they invented something new it would have been exiciting but nope. The only interesting thing is Trap's double oracle play (I always build only 1 versus terran), but that's it. DTs have won lots of games, but it's really not fun to play dts on ladder, you basically rely on your opponent not defending properly or not expecting them. It's like you aren't in control of your game anymore. Don't sweat it. LOTV beta will be out soon anyway. | ||
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Ace Frehley
2030 Posts
On March 15 2015 08:26 royalroadweed wrote: Don't sweat it. LOTV beta will be out soon anyway. Will be like the pitiful state of the last days of WoL Everybody excited with IEM HotS beta, and zero fucks being given to Roro vs Symbol playing GSL finals | ||
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royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
On March 15 2015 08:30 Ace Frehley wrote: Will be like the pitiful state of the last days of WoL Everybody excited with IEM HotS beta, and zero fucks being given to Roro vs Symbol playing GSL finals HOTS isn't nearly as bad as that. However, can't say I'll miss gas first TvT and never ending 1 and 2 base all ins. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On March 15 2015 07:45 The_Red_Viper wrote: Soooo Playing csgo/HOTS i think :/ (well i am too -.-) Sounds like he's playing a typical JRPG :p | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On March 15 2015 08:20 Elentos wrote: The tournament is not terrible because of Protoss winning with bullshit builds, though. The tournament is very weak because basically everyone plays like shit. And the lack of Protoss re-invention is, in part, to blame on the map pool that's really, really bad. Best players in the world play shit? Someone let Thorin know! | ||
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