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On January 12 2015 02:49 Lexender wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2015 02:45 TheDwf wrote:On January 12 2015 02:42 OtherWorld wrote:On January 12 2015 02:37 TheDwf wrote:On January 12 2015 02:36 OtherWorld wrote:On January 12 2015 02:33 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Of course nothing is final, of course a lot of things will be tweaked, but I see no sign here that LotV will be the "far better and more entertaining than HotS" game everybody is trying to sell. Tbh if you saw a tournament played with WoL or HotS alpha I'm pretty sure you would be thinking "wtf is that terrible game" too. Yet you're playing HotS now. Of course the games will look dumb and all since no one knows how to play, but the concepts don't give me much hope I dunno, the idea of a Zerg unit that morphs from the Roach and can control space is pretty cool to me, as is the idea of making Corruptors actually decent, just like the SH change + lurker addition, just like a Protoss AoE unit that can actually be microed looks good. Terran additions sucks though. The Zerg changes indeed seem the best  I have no idea what they want with the HERC tho
We've seen it used in a pvt earlier, it allows the terran bio to attack sentries to deny forcefields, and they can jump on collosus to distract them from the other bio forces. I thought it was pretty neat. They are too strong in early game though.
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That being said, I wonder if Ravagers have room simply because the 100/50/2 Hydralisk with the power of SC2 larva production failed so much. They should really work on the Hydralisk, but I fear they will just let it in the gutter as an obsolete iconic unit
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On January 12 2015 02:51 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2015 02:49 Lexender wrote:On January 12 2015 02:45 TheDwf wrote:On January 12 2015 02:42 OtherWorld wrote:On January 12 2015 02:37 TheDwf wrote:On January 12 2015 02:36 OtherWorld wrote:On January 12 2015 02:33 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Of course nothing is final, of course a lot of things will be tweaked, but I see no sign here that LotV will be the "far better and more entertaining than HotS" game everybody is trying to sell. Tbh if you saw a tournament played with WoL or HotS alpha I'm pretty sure you would be thinking "wtf is that terrible game" too. Yet you're playing HotS now. Of course the games will look dumb and all since no one knows how to play, but the concepts don't give me much hope I dunno, the idea of a Zerg unit that morphs from the Roach and can control space is pretty cool to me, as is the idea of making Corruptors actually decent, just like the SH change + lurker addition, just like a Protoss AoE unit that can actually be microed looks good. Terran additions sucks though. The Zerg changes indeed seem the best I like the speed upgrade for the banshee, the tank pick up for medivac and the cyclone, they allow mech to be a more mobile aggressive force, right everything is all over the place of course but mech looks much better than in HotS. I have no idea what they want with the HERC tho Sieged tanks pick ups are worse than colossi, it's power and mobility with no downside at all.
They just need to look at Starbow, they have that for a while now and its work really well
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I feel like picking up sieged tanks should unsiege them. It wouldn't make the positioning game so punishing for the opponent, and could give Terrans some interesting applications in bypassing the unsieging cooldown.
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On January 12 2015 02:55 Lexender wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2015 02:51 [PkF] Wire wrote:On January 12 2015 02:49 Lexender wrote:On January 12 2015 02:45 TheDwf wrote:On January 12 2015 02:42 OtherWorld wrote:On January 12 2015 02:37 TheDwf wrote:On January 12 2015 02:36 OtherWorld wrote:On January 12 2015 02:33 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Of course nothing is final, of course a lot of things will be tweaked, but I see no sign here that LotV will be the "far better and more entertaining than HotS" game everybody is trying to sell. Tbh if you saw a tournament played with WoL or HotS alpha I'm pretty sure you would be thinking "wtf is that terrible game" too. Yet you're playing HotS now. Of course the games will look dumb and all since no one knows how to play, but the concepts don't give me much hope I dunno, the idea of a Zerg unit that morphs from the Roach and can control space is pretty cool to me, as is the idea of making Corruptors actually decent, just like the SH change + lurker addition, just like a Protoss AoE unit that can actually be microed looks good. Terran additions sucks though. The Zerg changes indeed seem the best I like the speed upgrade for the banshee, the tank pick up for medivac and the cyclone, they allow mech to be a more mobile aggressive force, right everything is all over the place of course but mech looks much better than in HotS. I have no idea what they want with the HERC tho Sieged tanks pick ups are worse than colossi, it's power and mobility with no downside at all. They just need to look at Starbow, they have that for a while now and its work really well
Dropships don't have speed boost do they ?
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On January 12 2015 02:56 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2015 02:55 Lexender wrote:On January 12 2015 02:51 [PkF] Wire wrote:On January 12 2015 02:49 Lexender wrote:On January 12 2015 02:45 TheDwf wrote:On January 12 2015 02:42 OtherWorld wrote:On January 12 2015 02:37 TheDwf wrote:On January 12 2015 02:36 OtherWorld wrote:On January 12 2015 02:33 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Of course nothing is final, of course a lot of things will be tweaked, but I see no sign here that LotV will be the "far better and more entertaining than HotS" game everybody is trying to sell. Tbh if you saw a tournament played with WoL or HotS alpha I'm pretty sure you would be thinking "wtf is that terrible game" too. Yet you're playing HotS now. Of course the games will look dumb and all since no one knows how to play, but the concepts don't give me much hope I dunno, the idea of a Zerg unit that morphs from the Roach and can control space is pretty cool to me, as is the idea of making Corruptors actually decent, just like the SH change + lurker addition, just like a Protoss AoE unit that can actually be microed looks good. Terran additions sucks though. The Zerg changes indeed seem the best I like the speed upgrade for the banshee, the tank pick up for medivac and the cyclone, they allow mech to be a more mobile aggressive force, right everything is all over the place of course but mech looks much better than in HotS. I have no idea what they want with the HERC tho Sieged tanks pick ups are worse than colossi, it's power and mobility with no downside at all. They just need to look at Starbow, they have that for a while now and its work really well Dropships don't have speed boost do they ?
As a mather of fact, they do have speed boost
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On January 12 2015 02:57 Lexender wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2015 02:56 [PkF] Wire wrote:On January 12 2015 02:55 Lexender wrote:On January 12 2015 02:51 [PkF] Wire wrote:On January 12 2015 02:49 Lexender wrote:On January 12 2015 02:45 TheDwf wrote:On January 12 2015 02:42 OtherWorld wrote:On January 12 2015 02:37 TheDwf wrote:On January 12 2015 02:36 OtherWorld wrote:On January 12 2015 02:33 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Of course nothing is final, of course a lot of things will be tweaked, but I see no sign here that LotV will be the "far better and more entertaining than HotS" game everybody is trying to sell. Tbh if you saw a tournament played with WoL or HotS alpha I'm pretty sure you would be thinking "wtf is that terrible game" too. Yet you're playing HotS now. Of course the games will look dumb and all since no one knows how to play, but the concepts don't give me much hope I dunno, the idea of a Zerg unit that morphs from the Roach and can control space is pretty cool to me, as is the idea of making Corruptors actually decent, just like the SH change + lurker addition, just like a Protoss AoE unit that can actually be microed looks good. Terran additions sucks though. The Zerg changes indeed seem the best I like the speed upgrade for the banshee, the tank pick up for medivac and the cyclone, they allow mech to be a more mobile aggressive force, right everything is all over the place of course but mech looks much better than in HotS. I have no idea what they want with the HERC tho Sieged tanks pick ups are worse than colossi, it's power and mobility with no downside at all. They just need to look at Starbow, they have that for a while now and its work really well Dropships don't have speed boost do they ? As a mather of fact, they do have speed boost
Oh OK. Didn't know that.
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Actually they should make HERCs a late game units, something that is good against this mass zealot stuff that its not a bunch of ghosts
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Really dislike the "distant pick up" from the Prism
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I don't like the invulnerability with the 6 range pickup and fast Prisms....
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Felt like Heart could really have used some turrets.
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On January 12 2015 03:02 TheDwf wrote:
Really dislike the "distant pick up" from the Prism
Yeah it's horrendous and will become increasingly more problematic as players become better with it -and it already looks insane. I don't think that ability, as cool as it is, can stay.
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I am actually enjoying lotv a lot more than hots.
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On January 12 2015 03:02 SC2Toastie wrote:
I don't like the invulnerability with the 6 range pickup and fast Prisms....
True, imagine it with speed upgrade for the warprism, just wow...
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On January 12 2015 03:04 DuduSC wrote:
I am actually enjoying lotv a lot more than hots.
Me too, the action comes quicker.
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I think one notable issue with trying to critique the prism play is that the Terrans so far don't seem too keen on making AA or vikings to try to counter them, which is strange given that AA will also counter oracles and tempests, to say nothing about the obvious counter to colossi. I don't know whether that's a build order issue or something else, though.
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On January 12 2015 03:03 HolydaKing wrote:
Felt like Heart could really have used some turrets.
Doesn't matter, prisms have a ton of range now. You can theoretically make a turret ring... on 2 base? That's just too expensive.
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I definitely enjoy LotV more, but I think that only speaks volumes about the state of HotS. LotV is definitely going in the right direction, but it needs more.
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On January 12 2015 03:03 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2015 03:02 TheDwf wrote:
Really dislike the "distant pick up" from the Prism Yeah it's horrendous and will become increasingly more problematic as players become better with it -and it already looks insane. I don't think that ability, as cool as it is, can stay.
The only thing I don't really like about the "distant pick up" is that it's very easy to execute. Most protoss additions throughout hots (and now lotv) are always things way too easy to execute: photon overcharge, tempests (old and new), distant prism, void rays buff, etc
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Well, it seems their first move in LotV beta will be to nerf Tempests so we can actually see Protoss ground units
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