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Yiome
Profile Joined February 2014
China1687 Posts
July 28 2014 11:30 GMT
#741
I don't understand the whine here
Zest is playing very well to counter maru and we see that mines are really effective now against protoss army making colossus essential to defend. Pretty sure most of protoss would long die to maru's bio-attack
BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
July 28 2014 11:30 GMT
#742
On July 28 2014 20:29 sharkie wrote:
Why doesn't Maru expand more btw?

He is such an aggressive player, the protoss would never have a chance to counterattack the early fourth


I think Maru even cuts SCvs to make this aggressive moves, which means he hasnt really any spare minerals to expand.
When he cuts units for a CC he misses almost a medivac of units and has much less units to be aggressive with
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
July 28 2014 11:30 GMT
#743
On July 28 2014 20:28 Foreverkul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 20:26 ZAiNs wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:25 Thrillz wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:24 lolfail9001 wrote:
I almost want to whine, but well, Maru did a slip-up/


Sorry, one slip up and you are dead.

That goes for both players...

Well minus multiple colossus snipe, Nexus snipe, late 3rd, fighting up a ramp against a planetary. Other than that, sure

Well in fairness, Maru also gifted 2 full drop ships whilst he was sniping those collossus and for whatever reason didn't really control his units at that planetary fight...
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
July 28 2014 11:30 GMT
#744
Jin Air say "Lol Zest."

I'm not sure I agree. :/
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Estancia
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)335 Posts
July 28 2014 11:31 GMT
#745
Also to mention maru split up his vikings when he was very aggressive in mid game, where he split up 3-4 vikings for each attack (he had 3 army I think, 2 army had around 4 vikings each and there was one with 10), and those vikings got sniped but didn't get any colossus kills.
The army with 10+ vikings didn't face any colossus, only storms. It was really good response from zest's part too.
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
July 28 2014 11:31 GMT
#746
Hmm dunno about Rogue
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Foreverkul
Profile Joined March 2014
United States1649 Posts
July 28 2014 11:31 GMT
#747
On July 28 2014 20:29 sharkie wrote:
Why doesn't Maru expand more btw?

He is such an aggressive player, the protoss would never have a chance to counterattack the early fourth

Terran can't hold multiple bases because they have no static defense or local unit production (ie zerg has larva at every hatch, protoss have warp ins)
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18745 Posts
July 28 2014 11:31 GMT
#748
On July 28 2014 20:30 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 20:29 sharkie wrote:
Why doesn't Maru expand more btw?

He is such an aggressive player, the protoss would never have a chance to counterattack the early fourth

You don't benefit from an early fourth until your main is nearly exhausted.


Oh terrans have full production on three mining bases? :o
No wonder they always stay on three bases
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-28 11:32:07
July 28 2014 11:31 GMT
#749
On July 28 2014 20:29 sharkie wrote:
Why doesn't Maru expand more btw?

He is such an aggressive player, the protoss would never have a chance to counterattack the early fourth


I've thought about it too. Probably because he's semi-all in the entire game, having to do enough damage to justify his extremely late transition to ghost/viking. So he probably feels that his pressure is weakened by putting money towards more bases

Or, you know, what Dwf said :D
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
jellyjello
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)664 Posts
July 28 2014 11:31 GMT
#750
On July 28 2014 20:30 BlackCompany wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 20:29 sharkie wrote:
Why doesn't Maru expand more btw?

He is such an aggressive player, the protoss would never have a chance to counterattack the early fourth


I think Maru even cuts SCvs to make this aggressive moves, which means he hasnt really any spare minerals to expand.
When he cuts units for a CC he misses almost a medivac of units and has much less units to be aggressive with


Yeah, Maru planned to finish the game right there. I don't think he plan to go over 3 CCs.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9448 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-28 11:33:20
July 28 2014 11:31 GMT
#751
On July 28 2014 20:30 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 20:28 Hider wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:27 yoshi245 wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:25 Mafab wrote:
How did that even happen? I see Maru up by 30 army supply, alt tab for ~5 mins and then he loses.


Maru was forced to kite/retreat to his planetary at his 4th base after being chased down by Zest's army. He had his army at hold position so they ate storms while the planetary was being attacked by the army. He basically was backed into a corner and died.


His mistake was trying to take an engagement there at the 4th without the right unit composition and then he got forced into that position which he really couldn't win.


He should have formed a concave at the ramp imo, force out 2-3 storms and retreat to the PF. Then Zest will be running low on Templar energy. Though I think he just didn't have enough anymore to really make that concave happen to begin with... Tough spot when you are running low on army.


But I think Zest didn't have to commit to storm his army there since his army was so much stronger. He could have engaged up the ramp quite easily with 1-2 storms and Maru wouldn't be able to get a good engagement there (just wasing a stim there wouldn't be ideal either).

Instead, I believe Maru was forced to rely on the planetary for backup defense. It would have been a different story had he not taken the fight at Zest's 4th.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
July 28 2014 11:32 GMT
#752
On July 28 2014 20:29 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 20:28 Dingodile wrote:
I saw two main problems in TvP right now:
1) Blink is too strong vs vikings
2) too many small places at bases (like that maru's 4th base) -> storms are so strong in that case.


What on earth.

Maru lost most of his vikings to storm, not blink stalkers.

I laughed :D
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2974 Posts
July 28 2014 11:32 GMT
#753
Rogue on Frost too, honestly would have expected sOs after he beat Zest on this same map yesterday too. Oh well.
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
July 28 2014 11:32 GMT
#754
Am I the only protoss who likes playing cross positions vs zerg?
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Gullis
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden740 Posts
July 28 2014 11:32 GMT
#755
On July 28 2014 20:30 Yiome wrote:
I don't understand the whine here
Zest is playing very well to counter maru and we see that mines are really effective now against protoss army making colossus essential to defend. Pretty sure most of protoss would long die to maru's bio-attack

I think the casters over hyped marus play/position, zest was keeping up.
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BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
July 28 2014 11:32 GMT
#756
On July 28 2014 20:31 jellyjello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 20:30 BlackCompany wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:29 sharkie wrote:
Why doesn't Maru expand more btw?

He is such an aggressive player, the protoss would never have a chance to counterattack the early fourth


I think Maru even cuts SCvs to make this aggressive moves, which means he hasnt really any spare minerals to expand.
When he cuts units for a CC he misses almost a medivac of units and has much less units to be aggressive with


Yeah, Maru planned to finish the game right there. I don't think he plan to go over 3 CCs.


I would do that too if i could play like that tbh :p
IF you are that good you can expect to win even vs the best, Zest had really strong defense and still almost died
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
July 28 2014 11:33 GMT
#757
I want TRUE
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12133 Posts
July 28 2014 11:33 GMT
#758
On July 28 2014 20:31 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 20:30 TheDwf wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:29 sharkie wrote:
Why doesn't Maru expand more btw?

He is such an aggressive player, the protoss would never have a chance to counterattack the early fourth

You don't benefit from an early fourth until your main is nearly exhausted.


Oh terrans have full production on three mining bases? :o
No wonder they always stay on three bases

In SC2 you take 4th and beyond for gas. If you don't need the gas, then you can expand once you are out of minerals in your main Somewhere here is the science behind this, soft mining cap on 3 bases.
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Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
July 28 2014 11:33 GMT
#759
Calm down Wolf, you speak way too fast right there.
Yiome
Profile Joined February 2014
China1687 Posts
July 28 2014 11:33 GMT
#760
On July 28 2014 20:31 Foreverkul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 20:29 sharkie wrote:
Why doesn't Maru expand more btw?

He is such an aggressive player, the protoss would never have a chance to counterattack the early fourth

Terran can't hold multiple bases because they have no static defense or local unit production (ie zerg has larva at every hatch, protoss have warp ins)

There is something called planetary fortress...
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