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Rain.100
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany946 Posts
July 28 2014 11:33 GMT
#761
wtf rogue over true
feels like a huge mistake
I have to return some videotapes. Maru and MarineLorD <3
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
July 28 2014 11:33 GMT
#762
On July 28 2014 20:31 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 20:30 Big J wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:28 Hider wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:27 yoshi245 wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:25 Mafab wrote:
How did that even happen? I see Maru up by 30 army supply, alt tab for ~5 mins and then he loses.


Maru was forced to kite/retreat to his planetary at his 4th base after being chased down by Zest's army. He had his army at hold position so they ate storms while the planetary was being attacked by the army. He basically was backed into a corner and died.


His mistake was trying to take an engagement there at the 4th without the right unit composition and then he got forced into that position which he really couldn't win.


He should have formed a concave at the ramp imo, force out 2-3 storms and retreat to the PF. Then Zest will be running low on Templar energy. Though I think he just didn't have enough anymore to really make that concave happen to begin with... Tough spot when you are running low on army.


But I think Zest didn't have to storm his army there since his army was so much stronger. Maru was kinda forced to rely on the planetary for backup defense.
It would have been a different story had he not taken the fight at Zest's 4th.


yup, that's what I meant. He probably didn't have the army to form a strong concave that can force the storms out of Zest.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
July 28 2014 11:34 GMT
#763
On July 28 2014 20:32 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Am I the only protoss who likes playing cross positions vs zerg?

Why do you like it? (Just curious I like to learn abou other mu)
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
SoulCapsule
Profile Joined November 2012
France806 Posts
July 28 2014 11:34 GMT
#764
On July 28 2014 20:32 Gullis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 20:30 Yiome wrote:
I don't understand the whine here
Zest is playing very well to counter maru and we see that mines are really effective now against protoss army making colossus essential to defend. Pretty sure most of protoss would long die to maru's bio-attack

I think the casters over hyped marus play/position, zest was keeping up.


it always feel like that. Casters hype terrans moves because they are showy. A protoss just sits and defend, it's the terran making move and trying to make things happen in TvP.
BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
July 28 2014 11:34 GMT
#765
Damn you zerg for going 3 hatch before pool, i'm still trying to make 3CC before rax viable as terran
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9408 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-28 11:35:25
July 28 2014 11:35 GMT
#766
On July 28 2014 20:28 Dingodile wrote:
I saw two main problems in TvP right now:
1) Blink is too strong vs vikings
2) too many small places at bases (like that maru's 4th base) -> storms are so strong in that case.


The best buff they could give to bio-terran late game TvP would be to make Vikings more responsive so they could move out of Storms faster or reposition against blinked stalkers faster as well. Would make them much more rewarding to micro and more fun to control as well.
partydude89
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
1850 Posts
July 28 2014 11:35 GMT
#767
wow, the balls on rogue here. I still do the cannon rush that classic did vs RorO on this map and it works really well, so i'd be so scared to 3 hatch as rogue
#1 Official Hack Fan|#2 Bomber behind Wintex.|Curious|Life|Flash|TY|Cure|Maru|sOs|Jin Air Green Wings fighting!|SBENU Fighting!|
Foreverkul
Profile Joined March 2014
United States1649 Posts
July 28 2014 11:35 GMT
#768
On July 28 2014 20:33 Yiome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 20:31 Foreverkul wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:29 sharkie wrote:
Why doesn't Maru expand more btw?

He is such an aggressive player, the protoss would never have a chance to counterattack the early fourth

Terran can't hold multiple bases because they have no static defense or local unit production (ie zerg has larva at every hatch, protoss have warp ins)

There is something called planetary fortress...

That planetary was so useful in a fight wasnt it?
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9408 Posts
July 28 2014 11:36 GMT
#769
On July 28 2014 20:33 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 20:31 Hider wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:30 Big J wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:28 Hider wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:27 yoshi245 wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:25 Mafab wrote:
How did that even happen? I see Maru up by 30 army supply, alt tab for ~5 mins and then he loses.


Maru was forced to kite/retreat to his planetary at his 4th base after being chased down by Zest's army. He had his army at hold position so they ate storms while the planetary was being attacked by the army. He basically was backed into a corner and died.


His mistake was trying to take an engagement there at the 4th without the right unit composition and then he got forced into that position which he really couldn't win.


He should have formed a concave at the ramp imo, force out 2-3 storms and retreat to the PF. Then Zest will be running low on Templar energy. Though I think he just didn't have enough anymore to really make that concave happen to begin with... Tough spot when you are running low on army.


But I think Zest didn't have to storm his army there since his army was so much stronger. Maru was kinda forced to rely on the planetary for backup defense.
It would have been a different story had he not taken the fight at Zest's 4th.


yup, that's what I meant. He probably didn't have the army to form a strong concave that can force the storms out of Zest.


Yeh he also got caught in the Ghost-transition as well which reduced his army count a bit. WIth this style you just gotta have 20-30 supply+ advantage all game long.
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3425 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-28 11:37:24
July 28 2014 11:36 GMT
#770
On July 28 2014 20:32 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Am I the only protoss?


Here I fixed that for you.

edit: I d be interested in your input though, it's always very interesting to have other people's point of view
Horang2 fan
BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
July 28 2014 11:37 GMT
#771
So, will Rogue have something prepared?
A style or all-in to counter Zest?
because Zest usually eats Zerg for breakfast
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
July 28 2014 11:37 GMT
#772
Gosh I'm so tired these days, I woke up at 5 AM and i'm already exhausted wtf. Hard time staying awake for the PL.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
July 28 2014 11:37 GMT
#773
On July 28 2014 20:34 GumBa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 20:32 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Am I the only protoss who likes playing cross positions vs zerg?

Why do you like it? (Just curious I like to learn abou other mu)


You can safely keep 4 bases, where horizontal/vertical spawns threatens your 4th. Also long travel distance + recall + possible air opening into airtoss is possible, problems with scouting for zerg. It's imba, I so much love cross positions on frost
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
July 28 2014 11:37 GMT
#774
On July 28 2014 20:34 BlackCompany wrote:
Damn you zerg for going 3 hatch before pool, i'm still trying to make 3CC before rax viable as terran

I actually do that sometimes vs a friend of mine.
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-28 11:39:16
July 28 2014 11:37 GMT
#775
On July 28 2014 20:34 GumBa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 20:32 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Am I the only protoss who likes playing cross positions vs zerg?

Why do you like it? (Just curious I like to learn abou other mu)


Zerg nowadays relies a lot on midgame pressure -> transition to force the protoss towards a certain tech and take advantage. On big maps in cross positions, I have more time to prepare for their pressure and more time to prepare for what's next. Besides, if you want to pressure zerg, you do it with warpgate. Plus I feel like the lategame favors protoss on big maps. Cross positions makes it easier for me to get there.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
July 28 2014 11:38 GMT
#776
On July 28 2014 20:35 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 20:28 Dingodile wrote:
I saw two main problems in TvP right now:
1) Blink is too strong vs vikings
2) too many small places at bases (like that maru's 4th base) -> storms are so strong in that case.


The best buff they could give to bio-terran late game TvP would be to make Vikings more responsive so they could move out of Storms faster or reposition against blinked stalkers faster as well. Would make them much more rewarding to micro and more fun to control as well.

I want this so much for protoss air! At least mothership!
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
partydude89
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
1850 Posts
July 28 2014 11:38 GMT
#777
On July 28 2014 20:35 Foreverkul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 20:33 Yiome wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:31 Foreverkul wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:29 sharkie wrote:
Why doesn't Maru expand more btw?

He is such an aggressive player, the protoss would never have a chance to counterattack the early fourth

Terran can't hold multiple bases because they have no static defense or local unit production (ie zerg has larva at every hatch, protoss have warp ins)

There is something called planetary fortress...

That planetary was so useful in a fight wasnt it?


how come i keep coming into these threads and everytime i see whine, your name seems to be involved. Can't we just all love each other <3 (expect for MVP Sniper, because he's terrible)
#1 Official Hack Fan|#2 Bomber behind Wintex.|Curious|Life|Flash|TY|Cure|Maru|sOs|Jin Air Green Wings fighting!|SBENU Fighting!|
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
July 28 2014 11:38 GMT
#778
Zest is such a sickly beautiful phoenix player.
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-28 11:41:21
July 28 2014 11:38 GMT
#779
On July 28 2014 20:25 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 20:24 shadymmj wrote:
zest is good, quite a bit better than maru...mechanically his equal and decision wise superior.

Floating 1.3k mineral after 10 zealots warp-in and 2 colos...


so that's a minor error right there by a gsl champ...while also keeping in mind he was spending all his gas. meanwhile it's hard to see if terran is over-queuing units. but what i meant was that he defended all those multiprong attacks and drops taking minimal losses, stabilised, did not overextend, hit a tech advantage and good viking/medivac snipes.

a great timing on the fourth and storm placement to force either a) a fight there or b) losing the planetary and scvs. contrary to what people believe not many P players can beat maru comprehensively like that.
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-28 11:38:50
July 28 2014 11:38 GMT
#780
On July 28 2014 20:37 GumBa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 20:34 BlackCompany wrote:
Damn you zerg for going 3 hatch before pool, i'm still trying to make 3CC before rax viable as terran

I actually do that sometimes vs a friend of mine.


Haha, well my results on the ladder are not really good enough that it is worth trying, Protoss really loves DTs and oracles.
And SCVs cant shoot up or detect invisible stuff :p

Though i actually won vs a Z sometimes
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