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I will always remember that guy as the guy who got killed by Protosscarlett and was then sent to the Abyss to suffer unimaginable torment, somehow clawed his way out alive, but with his soul shattered, unwilling to carry on.
Hey, it's a narrative. Is TL still hiring writers?
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On July 17 2014 12:22 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2014 12:14 Exarl25 wrote:On July 17 2014 12:10 Little-Chimp wrote:
Like or dislike Avilo (I don't really like him), you can't fault him for trying to play for a draw in such an important tournament. End of story. If he was legitimately just looking for a draw then he could have lifted to the dead air long, long before he did and everything would have been resolved. He forced the Zerg to waste time killing off his ground army that meant nothing. Then when he realizes there isn't enough space unless he spam clicks on one spot, something that is impossible to maintain, a draw is no longer viable and he should GG. But he sticks in. Even when he loses all his units to fungals, he pretends he still has some and prolongs things even longer. He wasn't just trying to draw. He was intentionally being an obnoxious timewaster and screwing up the tournament as much as he possibly could. If players are going to pull that shit then tournaments need to put in rules that will let them DQ in that situation. Why would he willingly put himself in a position where if he's wrong, he instantly loses. If he's unsure that floating to the bottom will mean infestors can't reach him, which he wasn't, it would be completely stupid to try until he absolutely had to. If you lift your buildings and float away and then are wrong, you get fungaled and you die and lose your chance at WCS. Meanwhile if he waits until the last second he makes sure his opponent won't throw the game resulting in a win, or "secure" his tie if he's in fact correct that he can't be fungaled. There are plenty of reasons to find avilo a BM prick. This game wasn't one of them
If his strategy was to wait for his opponent to fuck up and take a miracle win then why was he messaging admins asking for a draw? He knew a draw was the only thing left, he had completely stopped talking about winning as a realistic possibility. Fly to the corner, see if it really is a draw or not, then GG or wait it out accordingly.
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On July 17 2014 12:22 Little-Chimp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2014 12:14 Exarl25 wrote:On July 17 2014 12:10 Little-Chimp wrote:
Like or dislike Avilo (I don't really like him), you can't fault him for trying to play for a draw in such an important tournament. End of story. If he was legitimately just looking for a draw then he could have lifted to the dead air long, long before he did and everything would have been resolved. He forced the Zerg to waste time killing off his ground army that meant nothing. Then when he realizes there isn't enough space unless he spam clicks on one spot, something that is impossible to maintain, a draw is no longer viable and he should GG. But he sticks in. Even when he loses all his units to fungals, he pretends he still has some and prolongs things even longer. He wasn't just trying to draw. He was intentionally being an obnoxious timewaster and screwing up the tournament as much as he possibly could. If players are going to pull that shit then tournaments need to put in rules that will let them DQ in that situation. Patton was EXTREMELY cautious and might have taken the draw instead of a potential loss. If he would have lost patience earlier, he could have lost as well. It's better to hope your opponent makes a mistake than to just leave to be "good mannered" in a high stakes tournament. if you don't like the rules, blame the admins. If you don't like the game, blame blizzard. It is what it is.
Patton's play was so cautious and slow, I was confused what he wanted to do.
His adamance to stick to SH also increased the duration.
I think blizzard will mark this game in the balance checkbooks. In a TvZ, if the Terran goes ravens and the Zerg goes SH, grab a drink and get comfy, things could take a while.
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On July 17 2014 12:23 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
I will always remember that guy as the guy who got killed by Protosscarlett and was then sent to the Abyss to suffer unimaginable torment, somehow clawed his way out alive, but with his soul shattered, unwilling to carry on.
Hey, it's a narrative. Is TL still hiring writers?
That was very imaginative. It sums up his battles descriptive and succinct.
You should add his battle in the Abyss against the wicked Mechvilo to receive redemption.
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Well, i can't wait up for the final thanks to that train wreck of a game. Gnight all and GL to Bails! hope you qualify tonight!
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On July 17 2014 12:25 Exarl25 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2014 12:22 chipmonklord17 wrote:On July 17 2014 12:14 Exarl25 wrote:On July 17 2014 12:10 Little-Chimp wrote:
Like or dislike Avilo (I don't really like him), you can't fault him for trying to play for a draw in such an important tournament. End of story. If he was legitimately just looking for a draw then he could have lifted to the dead air long, long before he did and everything would have been resolved. He forced the Zerg to waste time killing off his ground army that meant nothing. Then when he realizes there isn't enough space unless he spam clicks on one spot, something that is impossible to maintain, a draw is no longer viable and he should GG. But he sticks in. Even when he loses all his units to fungals, he pretends he still has some and prolongs things even longer. He wasn't just trying to draw. He was intentionally being an obnoxious timewaster and screwing up the tournament as much as he possibly could. If players are going to pull that shit then tournaments need to put in rules that will let them DQ in that situation. Why would he willingly put himself in a position where if he's wrong, he instantly loses. If he's unsure that floating to the bottom will mean infestors can't reach him, which he wasn't, it would be completely stupid to try until he absolutely had to. If you lift your buildings and float away and then are wrong, you get fungaled and you die and lose your chance at WCS. Meanwhile if he waits until the last second he makes sure his opponent won't throw the game resulting in a win, or "secure" his tie if he's in fact correct that he can't be fungaled. There are plenty of reasons to find avilo a BM prick. This game wasn't one of them If his strategy was to wait for his opponent to fuck up and take a miracle win then why was he messaging admins asking for a draw? He knew a draw was the only thing left, he had completely stopped talking about winning as a realistic possibility. Fly to the corner, see if it really is a draw or not, then GG or wait it out accordingly.
He didn't know a draw was the only thing left. The entire game he kept mentioning how it was soon going to be the "moment of truth" to see if he could be fungaled or not. He had NO idea he was drawing out the game for nothing.
His strategy was to wait out a game he believed he could not have lost. Once again if this map were habitation station this would have been a tie. He didn't know. The key here is that until the last 15 minutes he believed that he could at WORST draw where as if he waited confirming it he could potentially get a win if his opponent messed up. Why on earth would he throw away that potential when he truly didn't know he could be hit from that spot?
Either that or he's a ridiculously good faker for no benefit
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I love Avilo TvZs. Despite losing, Avilo's mech games always entertain.
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Did Khaldor's stream collapse again?
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On July 17 2014 12:31 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Either that or he's a ridiculously good faker for no benefit
Stream views
Also making SC2 guinness book of records. Did he make the longest game?
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On July 17 2014 12:31 Deathstar wrote:
I love Avilo TvZs. Despite losing, Avilo's mech games always entertain.
I have to agree with you. Its entertaining to watch Avilo's mech tvz.
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On July 17 2014 12:32 Genome852 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2014 12:31 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Either that or he's a ridiculously good faker for no benefit Stream views
Which, to my knowledge, doesnt help him because he ran zero ads during the game
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On July 17 2014 12:31 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2014 12:25 Exarl25 wrote:On July 17 2014 12:22 chipmonklord17 wrote:On July 17 2014 12:14 Exarl25 wrote:On July 17 2014 12:10 Little-Chimp wrote:
Like or dislike Avilo (I don't really like him), you can't fault him for trying to play for a draw in such an important tournament. End of story. If he was legitimately just looking for a draw then he could have lifted to the dead air long, long before he did and everything would have been resolved. He forced the Zerg to waste time killing off his ground army that meant nothing. Then when he realizes there isn't enough space unless he spam clicks on one spot, something that is impossible to maintain, a draw is no longer viable and he should GG. But he sticks in. Even when he loses all his units to fungals, he pretends he still has some and prolongs things even longer. He wasn't just trying to draw. He was intentionally being an obnoxious timewaster and screwing up the tournament as much as he possibly could. If players are going to pull that shit then tournaments need to put in rules that will let them DQ in that situation. Why would he willingly put himself in a position where if he's wrong, he instantly loses. If he's unsure that floating to the bottom will mean infestors can't reach him, which he wasn't, it would be completely stupid to try until he absolutely had to. If you lift your buildings and float away and then are wrong, you get fungaled and you die and lose your chance at WCS. Meanwhile if he waits until the last second he makes sure his opponent won't throw the game resulting in a win, or "secure" his tie if he's in fact correct that he can't be fungaled. There are plenty of reasons to find avilo a BM prick. This game wasn't one of them If his strategy was to wait for his opponent to fuck up and take a miracle win then why was he messaging admins asking for a draw? He knew a draw was the only thing left, he had completely stopped talking about winning as a realistic possibility. Fly to the corner, see if it really is a draw or not, then GG or wait it out accordingly. He didn't know a draw was the only thing left. The entire game he kept mentioning how it was soon going to be the "moment of truth" to see if he could be fungaled or not. He had NO idea he was drawing out the game for nothing. His strategy was to wait out a game he believed he could not have lost. Once again if this map were habitation station this would have been a tie. He didn't know. The key here is that until the last 15 minutes he believed that he could at WORST draw where as if he waited confirming it he could potentially get a win if his opponent messed up. Why on earth would he throw away that potential when he truly didn't know he could be hit from that spot? Either that or he's a ridiculously good faker for no benefit
Did you not read what I said? If his strategy was as you said then why did he keep messaging the admin asking for a draw? He knew he had absolutely no chance of winning. A draw was the best he could hope for, not the worst.
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So again, when did Balloon get a US visa? Last season he was playing in the Wildcard qualifier, now he can play in the regional?
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Sweet another tvz. Anyone notice a lot of tvz lately? Bomber and Polt have faced off against a horde of zerg lately.
Speaking of a terran, anyone know about Kelazua?
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On July 17 2014 12:31 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2014 12:25 Exarl25 wrote:On July 17 2014 12:22 chipmonklord17 wrote:On July 17 2014 12:14 Exarl25 wrote:On July 17 2014 12:10 Little-Chimp wrote:
Like or dislike Avilo (I don't really like him), you can't fault him for trying to play for a draw in such an important tournament. End of story. If he was legitimately just looking for a draw then he could have lifted to the dead air long, long before he did and everything would have been resolved. He forced the Zerg to waste time killing off his ground army that meant nothing. Then when he realizes there isn't enough space unless he spam clicks on one spot, something that is impossible to maintain, a draw is no longer viable and he should GG. But he sticks in. Even when he loses all his units to fungals, he pretends he still has some and prolongs things even longer. He wasn't just trying to draw. He was intentionally being an obnoxious timewaster and screwing up the tournament as much as he possibly could. If players are going to pull that shit then tournaments need to put in rules that will let them DQ in that situation. Why would he willingly put himself in a position where if he's wrong, he instantly loses. If he's unsure that floating to the bottom will mean infestors can't reach him, which he wasn't, it would be completely stupid to try until he absolutely had to. If you lift your buildings and float away and then are wrong, you get fungaled and you die and lose your chance at WCS. Meanwhile if he waits until the last second he makes sure his opponent won't throw the game resulting in a win, or "secure" his tie if he's in fact correct that he can't be fungaled. There are plenty of reasons to find avilo a BM prick. This game wasn't one of them If his strategy was to wait for his opponent to fuck up and take a miracle win then why was he messaging admins asking for a draw? He knew a draw was the only thing left, he had completely stopped talking about winning as a realistic possibility. Fly to the corner, see if it really is a draw or not, then GG or wait it out accordingly. He didn't know a draw was the only thing left. The entire game he kept mentioning how it was soon going to be the "moment of truth" to see if he could be fungaled or not. He had NO idea he was drawing out the game for nothing. His strategy was to wait out a game he believed he could not have lost. Once again if this map were habitation station this would have been a tie. He didn't know. The key here is that until the last 15 minutes he believed that he could at WORST draw where as if he waited confirming it he could potentially get a win if his opponent messed up. Why on earth would he throw away that potential when he truly didn't know he could be hit from that spot? Either that or he's a ridiculously good faker for no benefit
Why would he be so adamant that the game was certain to be a draw, and try to convince of admin of that, when he didn't know for sure yet? You can't just not test the air space and claim you know it will be a draw.
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On July 17 2014 12:34 TotalBiscuit wrote:
So again, when did Balloon get a US visa? Last season he was playing in the Wildcard qualifier, now he can play in the regional?
Someone earlier said he's going to school in New York in the Fall.
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On July 17 2014 12:37 aznheat80 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2014 12:34 TotalBiscuit wrote:
So again, when did Balloon get a US visa? Last season he was playing in the Wildcard qualifier, now he can play in the regional? Someone earlier said he's going to school in New York in the Fall.
Oh that's really cool.
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On July 17 2014 12:34 Exarl25 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2014 12:31 chipmonklord17 wrote:On July 17 2014 12:25 Exarl25 wrote:On July 17 2014 12:22 chipmonklord17 wrote:On July 17 2014 12:14 Exarl25 wrote:On July 17 2014 12:10 Little-Chimp wrote:
Like or dislike Avilo (I don't really like him), you can't fault him for trying to play for a draw in such an important tournament. End of story. If he was legitimately just looking for a draw then he could have lifted to the dead air long, long before he did and everything would have been resolved. He forced the Zerg to waste time killing off his ground army that meant nothing. Then when he realizes there isn't enough space unless he spam clicks on one spot, something that is impossible to maintain, a draw is no longer viable and he should GG. But he sticks in. Even when he loses all his units to fungals, he pretends he still has some and prolongs things even longer. He wasn't just trying to draw. He was intentionally being an obnoxious timewaster and screwing up the tournament as much as he possibly could. If players are going to pull that shit then tournaments need to put in rules that will let them DQ in that situation. Why would he willingly put himself in a position where if he's wrong, he instantly loses. If he's unsure that floating to the bottom will mean infestors can't reach him, which he wasn't, it would be completely stupid to try until he absolutely had to. If you lift your buildings and float away and then are wrong, you get fungaled and you die and lose your chance at WCS. Meanwhile if he waits until the last second he makes sure his opponent won't throw the game resulting in a win, or "secure" his tie if he's in fact correct that he can't be fungaled. There are plenty of reasons to find avilo a BM prick. This game wasn't one of them If his strategy was to wait for his opponent to fuck up and take a miracle win then why was he messaging admins asking for a draw? He knew a draw was the only thing left, he had completely stopped talking about winning as a realistic possibility. Fly to the corner, see if it really is a draw or not, then GG or wait it out accordingly. He didn't know a draw was the only thing left. The entire game he kept mentioning how it was soon going to be the "moment of truth" to see if he could be fungaled or not. He had NO idea he was drawing out the game for nothing. His strategy was to wait out a game he believed he could not have lost. Once again if this map were habitation station this would have been a tie. He didn't know. The key here is that until the last 15 minutes he believed that he could at WORST draw where as if he waited confirming it he could potentially get a win if his opponent messed up. Why on earth would he throw away that potential when he truly didn't know he could be hit from that spot? Either that or he's a ridiculously good faker for no benefit Did you not read what I said? If his strategy was as you said then why did he keep messaging the admin asking for a draw? He knew he had absolutely no chance of winning. A draw was the best he could hope for, not the worst.
It seems like you didn't read this carefully enough. He BELIEVED a draw was the worst he could hope for which is why he kept doing it. He most certainly could have won by his opponent not being patient enough, where in any given situation he BELIEVED he could just float away and make it a draw. He messaged the admins because he believed he could not be beat in the end.
When you believe losing is impossible a draw is the worst you can get. As the only other option is a win. We only know a draw was his best case because by the end of the game we knew he in fact could be fungaled
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On July 17 2014 12:35 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
Sweet another tvz. Anyone notice a lot of tvz lately? Bomber and Polt have faced off against a horde of zerg lately.
Speaking of a terran, anyone know about Kelazua?
Apart from him playing open bracket at the two IEM Sao Paulo events, not really.
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