EPT[WCS AM] Challenger Regional/Wildcard Qualifiers - Page 40
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Loccstana
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On July 17 2014 12:10 dsousa wrote: Stop whining. You loved it!! I'm not sure if you're serious or trolling. | ||
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Spect8rCraft
649 Posts
On July 17 2014 12:10 Little-Chimp wrote: Like or dislike Avilo (I don't really like him), you can't fault him for trying to play for a draw in such an important tournament. End of story. I kind of fault him for not trying to win when he could have (like, dozens of tanks, a decent raven/viking fleet, tons of scans versus SH/viper/corrupter before ultralisks came out in force). I can't see a playstyle so defensive like that go any further or be any more entertaining down the tournament line. In fact, it was his lack of initiative that lost him the game; Patton was the one able to break his siege line, not vice versa (which would have been at doable, if not a bit risky). | ||
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Exarl25
1887 Posts
On July 17 2014 12:10 Little-Chimp wrote: Like or dislike Avilo (I don't really like him), you can't fault him for trying to play for a draw in such an important tournament. End of story. If he was legitimately just looking for a draw then he could have lifted to the dead air long, long before he did and everything would have been resolved. He forced the Zerg to waste time killing off his ground army that meant nothing. Then when he realizes there isn't enough space unless he spam clicks on one spot, something that is impossible to maintain, a draw is no longer viable and he should GG. But he sticks in. Even when he loses all his units to fungals, he pretends he still has some and prolongs things even longer. He wasn't just trying to draw. He was intentionally being an obnoxious timewaster and screwing up the tournament as much as he possibly could. If players are going to pull that shit then tournaments need to put in rules that will let them DQ in that situation. | ||
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
On July 17 2014 12:10 Doodsmack wrote: You're missing the point that he could have lifted to the air space to see if it would be a draw in the end. His only chance was for his opponent to make a mistake. The longer the game goes, the greater the chance of that. Did you not notice Patton was scared to death of making an error? | ||
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geokilla
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vult
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LordYama
United States370 Posts
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
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geokilla
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Lunareste
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Larkin
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jakethesnake
Canada4948 Posts
Probably frustrated and exhausted and just wanted to put this all behind him. | ||
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Code
Canada634 Posts
On July 17 2014 12:12 Loccstana wrote: Why are people blaming Avilo? He is only playing his best with the units given to him. This game is no different from the Firecake vs Mana game, or the Firecake vs Stephano game. Notice a pattern in three games? Hint: There is a unit that appears in 3 of them and is responsible for making the games 3 hours long. Nice balance whine. Patton was only using the units given to him. What Zerg unit counters PDD? There is a unit that appears in all of Avilo's games, and is the reason they are always 40+ minutes long. | ||
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Ace Frehley
2030 Posts
On July 17 2014 12:08 Doodsmack wrote: Tell me how long it took him before he flew to the air space to find out if it would be a draw. Play for a draw is the last resort He could still land some seeker missile before floating | ||
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On July 17 2014 12:14 Exarl25 wrote: If he was legitimately just looking for a draw then he could have lifted to the dead air long, long before he did and everything would have been resolved. He forced the Zerg to waste time killing off his ground army that meant nothing. Then when he realizes there isn't enough space unless he spam clicks on one spot, something that is impossible to maintain, a draw is no longer viable and he should GG. But he sticks in. Even when he loses all his units to fungals, he pretends he still has some and prolongs things even longer. He wasn't just trying to draw. He was intentionally being an obnoxious timewaster and screwing up the tournament as much as he possibly could. If players are going to pull that shit then tournaments need to put in rules that will let them DQ in that situation. Why would he willingly put himself in a position where if he's wrong, he instantly loses. If he's unsure that floating to the bottom will mean infestors can't reach him, which he wasn't, it would be completely stupid to try until he absolutely had to. If you lift your buildings and float away and then are wrong, you get fungaled and you die and lose your chance at WCS. Meanwhile if he waits until the last second he makes sure his opponent won't throw the game resulting in a win, or "secure" his tie if he's in fact correct that he can't be fungaled. There are plenty of reasons to find avilo a BM prick. This game wasn't one of them | ||
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Little-Chimp
Canada949 Posts
On July 17 2014 12:14 Exarl25 wrote: If he was legitimately just looking for a draw then he could have lifted to the dead air long, long before he did and everything would have been resolved. He forced the Zerg to waste time killing off his ground army that meant nothing. Then when he realizes there isn't enough space unless he spam clicks on one spot, something that is impossible to maintain, a draw is no longer viable and he should GG. But he sticks in. Even when he loses all his units to fungals, he pretends he still has some and prolongs things even longer. He wasn't just trying to draw. He was intentionally being an obnoxious timewaster and screwing up the tournament as much as he possibly could. If players are going to pull that shit then tournaments need to put in rules that will let them DQ in that situation. Patton was EXTREMELY cautious and might have taken the draw instead of a potential loss. If he would have lost patience earlier, he could have lost as well. It's better to hope your opponent makes a mistake than to just leave to be "good mannered" in a high stakes tournament. if you don't like the rules, blame the admins. If you don't like the game, blame blizzard. It is what it is. | ||
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jakethesnake
Canada4948 Posts
On July 17 2014 12:21 Ace Frehley wrote: Play for a draw is the last resort He could still land some seeker missile before floating then he should have tried, but he didn't. He just sat. He was wasting time - period. | ||
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Canada2250 Posts
On July 17 2014 12:14 Exarl25 wrote: If he was legitimately just looking for a draw then he could have lifted to the dead air long, long before he did and everything would have been resolved. He forced the Zerg to waste time killing off his ground army that meant nothing. Then when he realizes there isn't enough space unless he spam clicks on one spot, something that is impossible to maintain, a draw is no longer viable and he should GG. But he sticks in. Even when he loses all his units to fungals, he pretends he still has some and prolongs things even longer. He wasn't just trying to draw. He was intentionally being an obnoxious timewaster and screwing up the tournament as much as he possibly could. If players are going to pull that shit then tournaments need to put in rules that will let them DQ in that situation. Yea Avilo drew that game out much longer than it had to be. Any respectable player would have gg so no more time is wasted. I don't know if he intended to do that from the very beginning, but the last hour of the game was not necessary. | ||
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