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On May 05 2014 04:51 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 04:48 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On May 05 2014 04:45 Yorkie wrote:On May 05 2014 04:43 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On May 05 2014 04:41 Yorkie wrote:On May 05 2014 04:39 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
It doesn't destroy the scene, its how it is in every big individual sport and its what drives them, not the opposite. Tiger MADE golf what it is. Nadal, Fed etc are the drivers of worldwide interest in tennis etc.
You need dominating players and personalities to grow a scene. The game itself will never bring the same level of interest because only players/hardcore fans will watch. Tiger didn't make golf what it is by being popular. neither did Nadal and Fed dominate tennis because of their fanbase. They did it by being the best. how can you not see the difference? Stephano is NOT the best. But he WAS. That's the point. Also they did do it by being popular, but they were popular by being the best. This isn't always true. For example Jimmy White in snooker was huge but was runner up 6 times and never won. Their popularity drove the growth of the game. That's the issue here. If you want to grow the scene and not just have the dregs of a scene followed by hardcore fans only you need these personalities. You need people who viewers only tune in to watch them. Its vital. It is the opposite of destroying the scene, it is what keeps it alive and grows it. It blocks out opportunities for new blood, makes the game stale, and allows people who WERE dominant to keep playing in everything past their prime It does not, new blood can become bigger than otherwise would ever be possible thanks to standing on the shoulders of giants. See: Rory McIlroy. It doesn't make the game stale, that doesn't even make sense. Also they can't play in everything past their prime, since they have to qualify for most big tournaments especially WCS the biggest of them all. Your arguments are awful. Look at what BW taught us. There are limited spots in tournaments. These spots are taken up by these former champions. Thus new blood is denied. And Stephano especially is INVITED to most things, his recent qualification into WCS EU is the outlier here, but he gets invites to every Homestory Cup on the back of his past achievements
Homestory is different. Its only about personality. Its for the fans. In fact the very existence and popularity of that tournament flies in the face of your whole argument. You shouldn't agree with its existence even.
New blood is not denied.
If a foreigner comes along good enough to get into WCS, good enough to beat Koreans, they will get a huge fanbase really quickly. If they win premier tournaments consistently? Hello most popular player in SC2.....
No one is being denied. They aren't good enough, pure and simple.
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"I don't have idea." - Jaedong, in response to how to defeat Stephano's Swarmhosts.
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GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!
Sorry, it's hard to contain my excitement as Seed's # 1 fan! :D
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Jaedong so eloquent. Taeja-esque
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On May 05 2014 04:54 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 04:53 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Anna's legs/torso ratio is interesting Geoff loves long legs
Who doesn't ?
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Lol @ "foreigner" in any other game other than starcraft.
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On May 05 2014 04:53 hansonslee wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 04:53 GumBa wrote:
Stephano is the best foreigner in ALL of Esports HAHAHA. Sure, buddy. Sure. If I remember correctly, Grubby ate Stephano for breakfast in WC3 
HAHAHAH HOW MUCH HAS GRUBBY ACHIEVED?
seriously. I guess I should say for SC2 because WC3 he has achieved a shit ton.
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Alright time to leave to go get food. Also this thread killed me inside for a little while. Hope we can all still be friends. Later guys!
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Swarmhost vs JD was a lot more entertaining than vs Patreaus one. Although it didn't work, JD tried something other than SH to counter SH.
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On May 05 2014 04:55 oogieogie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 04:53 hansonslee wrote:On May 05 2014 04:53 GumBa wrote:
Stephano is the best foreigner in ALL of Esports HAHAHA. Sure, buddy. Sure. If I remember correctly, Grubby ate Stephano for breakfast in WC3 HAHAHAH HOW MUCH HAS GRUBBY ACHIEVED? seriously.
More than Stephano.
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On May 05 2014 04:56 Nauseam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 04:55 oogieogie wrote:On May 05 2014 04:53 hansonslee wrote:On May 05 2014 04:53 GumBa wrote:
Stephano is the best foreigner in ALL of Esports HAHAHA. Sure, buddy. Sure. If I remember correctly, Grubby ate Stephano for breakfast in WC3 HAHAHAH HOW MUCH HAS GRUBBY ACHIEVED? seriously. More than Stephano.
read the edit.
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So how long this time until the next match?
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On May 05 2014 04:55 oogieogie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 04:53 hansonslee wrote:On May 05 2014 04:53 GumBa wrote:
Stephano is the best foreigner in ALL of Esports HAHAHA. Sure, buddy. Sure. If I remember correctly, Grubby ate Stephano for breakfast in WC3 HAHAHAH HOW MUCH HAS GRUBBY ACHIEVED? seriously.
Even Stephano didn't that many tournaments or get high places.
+ Show Spoiler +Warcraft 3
1st Place – Cyber X Games, 2003 (Las Vegas – USA)
1st Place – CPL Turkey, 2004 (Istanbul – Turkey)
1st Place – World Cyber Games '04, 2004 (San Francisco – USA)
1st Place – Samsung Euro Championship '05, 2005 (Hannover – Germany)
1st Place – Revelcell Masters, 2005 (Berlin – Germany)
1st Place – Electronic Sports World Cup '05, 2005 (Paris – France)
1st Place – Digital Life Gaming Tournament, 2005 (New York – USA)
1st Place – BlizzCon '05, 2005 (Los Angeles – USA)
3rd Place – World Cyber Games '05, 2005 (Singapore – Singapore)
2nd Place – Blizzard Worldwide Invitational '06, 2006 (Seoul – South Korea)
1st Place – Samsung European Championship '06, 2006 (Hannover – Germany)
2nd Place – World e-Sports Games Masters '06, 2006 (Hangzhou – China)
1st Place – V-Sports All-Stars, 2006 (New York – USA)
1st Place – World E-Sports Festival, 2006 (Qingdao – China)
2nd Place – ClanBase EuroCup 12, 2006 (Copenhagen – Denmark)
1st Place – WSVG Qualifier, October 2006, (London – UK)
1st Place – WSVG Grand Finals, December 2006, (New York – USA)
3rd Place – KODE5 2006, September 2006, (Beijing – China)
1st Place – Warcraft World War, October 2006, (Seoul – South Korea)
2nd Place – SuperFight II, November 2006, (Seoul – South Korea)
3rd Place – Battlenet Season 4, January 2007, (Cologne -Germany)
1st Place – Warcraft World War, February 2007, (Seoul – South Korea)
3rd Place – European Cyber Games, March 2007, (Hannover – Germany)
4th Place – World Series of Video Games, May 2007, (Wuhan – China)
3rd Place – Blizzard Worldwide Invitational, May 2007, (Los Angeles – USA)
1st Place – ESWC Dutch Qualifiers, 20 May 2007, (Enschede – Netherlands)
3rd Place – Battlenet Season 5 Europe Finals, 22–23 June 2007, (Hamburg – Germany)
3rd Place – ESWC Global Finals, 5–8 July, (Paris- France)
2nd Place – Stars War IV, 12–15 July, (Shanghai – China)
5th Place – PGL Season 2, 17–26 July 2007, (Beijing – China)
3rd Place – W3 Summer Grand Prix, 28–29 July 2007, (Seoul – South Korea)
3rd Place – Blizzcon 2007, 3–5 August 2007, (Orange County – California – USA)
3rd Place – eStars 2007, 11–12 August 2007 (Shared 3rd/4th), (Seoul – South Korea)
1st Place – WCG Dutch Finals, 30 August 2007, (Rotterdam – Netherlands)
1st Place – Clanbase EuroCup 2007, 8–9 September 2007, (Enschede – Netherlands)
1st Place – KODE5 Dutch Qualifiers, 27–28 October 2007, (Enschede – Netherlands)
1st Place – DreamHack Winter, November 2007, (Jönköping – Sweden)
2nd Place – Extreme Masters Season II, March 2008, (Hannover – Germany)
1st Place – ESWC Netherlands Qualifier 2008, 7 June 2008, (Enschede – Netherlands)
3rd Place – Blizzard Worldwide Invitational 2008, 28–29 June 2008, (Paris – France)
1st Place – WCG Netherlands Qualifier 2008, 12 July 2008, (Rotterdam – Netherlands)
1st Place – eStars Seoul, 24–27 July 2008, (Seoul – South Korea)
1st Place – EPS Benelux, 6 September 2008, (Utrecht – Netherlands)
1st Place – WCG Dutch Finals, 27 September 2008, (Amsterdam – Netherlands)
3rd Place – World e-Sports Masters 2008, 24 Oct – 2 Nov 2008, (Hangzhou – China)
1st Place – World Cyber Games 2008, 5–9 November 2008, (Cologne – Germany)
1st Place – Extreme Masters III – Korea, 13–20 November 2008, (Seoul – South Korea)
2nd Place – Extreme Masters III – China, January 2009, (Chengdu – China)
2nd Place – Blizzard Battle.net Season 7 – Europe Regionals, June 2009 (Cologne – Germany)
1st Place – e-Stars 2009 – King of the Game, July 2009 (Seoul – South Korea)
2nd Place – BlizzCon 2009, August 2009 (Orange County – California – USA)
1st Place – World e-Sports Masters 2009, December 2009 (Hangzhou – China)
1st Place – Blizzard Season 8 European Regionals (Cologne – Germany)
2nd Place – e-Stars 2010 – King of the Game (Seoul – South Korea)
2nd Place – WCG 2010, October 2010 (LA – USA)
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On May 05 2014 04:55 Darkhorse wrote:
Alright time to leave to go get food. Also this thread killed me inside for a little while. Hope we can all still be friends. Later guys!
Don't leave me =.=
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On May 05 2014 04:55 oogieogie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 04:53 hansonslee wrote:On May 05 2014 04:53 GumBa wrote:
Stephano is the best foreigner in ALL of Esports HAHAHA. Sure, buddy. Sure. If I remember correctly, Grubby ate Stephano for breakfast in WC3 HAHAHAH HOW MUCH HAS GRUBBY ACHIEVED? seriously. I guess I should say for SC2 because WC3 he has achieved a shit ton.
lol i was about to go in on you but then you edited your post. his sc2 career still isn't that bad though.
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On May 05 2014 04:50 Emerson_H wrote:
Balance has been restored. The full-time training progamer should not lose to a 'retired' player.
Why are people so upset if this would happen? Stephano is obviously massively talented and he does play the game quite a lot. The better player tends to win in a best of five.
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On May 05 2014 04:55 oogieogie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 04:53 hansonslee wrote:On May 05 2014 04:53 GumBa wrote:
Stephano is the best foreigner in ALL of Esports HAHAHA. Sure, buddy. Sure. If I remember correctly, Grubby ate Stephano for breakfast in WC3 HAHAHAH HOW MUCH HAS GRUBBY ACHIEVED? seriously. I guess I should say for SC2 because WC3 he has achieved a shit ton.
HAHAHAHA HOW MUCH HAS STEPHANO ACHIEVED? (WC3)
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On May 05 2014 04:56 hansonslee wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 04:55 oogieogie wrote:On May 05 2014 04:53 hansonslee wrote:On May 05 2014 04:53 GumBa wrote:
Stephano is the best foreigner in ALL of Esports HAHAHA. Sure, buddy. Sure. If I remember correctly, Grubby ate Stephano for breakfast in WC3 HAHAHAH HOW MUCH HAS GRUBBY ACHIEVED? seriously. + Show Spoiler +Warcraft 3
1st Place – Cyber X Games, 2003 (Las Vegas – USA)
1st Place – CPL Turkey, 2004 (Istanbul – Turkey)
1st Place – World Cyber Games '04, 2004 (San Francisco – USA)
1st Place – Samsung Euro Championship '05, 2005 (Hannover – Germany)
1st Place – Revelcell Masters, 2005 (Berlin – Germany)
1st Place – Electronic Sports World Cup '05, 2005 (Paris – France)
1st Place – Digital Life Gaming Tournament, 2005 (New York – USA)
1st Place – BlizzCon '05, 2005 (Los Angeles – USA)
3rd Place – World Cyber Games '05, 2005 (Singapore – Singapore)
2nd Place – Blizzard Worldwide Invitational '06, 2006 (Seoul – South Korea)
1st Place – Samsung European Championship '06, 2006 (Hannover – Germany)
2nd Place – World e-Sports Games Masters '06, 2006 (Hangzhou – China)
1st Place – V-Sports All-Stars, 2006 (New York – USA)
1st Place – World E-Sports Festival, 2006 (Qingdao – China)
2nd Place – ClanBase EuroCup 12, 2006 (Copenhagen – Denmark)
1st Place – WSVG Qualifier, October 2006, (London – UK)
1st Place – WSVG Grand Finals, December 2006, (New York – USA)
3rd Place – KODE5 2006, September 2006, (Beijing – China)
1st Place – Warcraft World War, October 2006, (Seoul – South Korea)
2nd Place – SuperFight II, November 2006, (Seoul – South Korea)
3rd Place – Battlenet Season 4, January 2007, (Cologne -Germany)
1st Place – Warcraft World War, February 2007, (Seoul – South Korea)
3rd Place – European Cyber Games, March 2007, (Hannover – Germany)
4th Place – World Series of Video Games, May 2007, (Wuhan – China)
3rd Place – Blizzard Worldwide Invitational, May 2007, (Los Angeles – USA)
1st Place – ESWC Dutch Qualifiers, 20 May 2007, (Enschede – Netherlands)
3rd Place – Battlenet Season 5 Europe Finals, 22–23 June 2007, (Hamburg – Germany)
3rd Place – ESWC Global Finals, 5–8 July, (Paris- France)
2nd Place – Stars War IV, 12–15 July, (Shanghai – China)
5th Place – PGL Season 2, 17–26 July 2007, (Beijing – China)
3rd Place – W3 Summer Grand Prix, 28–29 July 2007, (Seoul – South Korea)
3rd Place – Blizzcon 2007, 3–5 August 2007, (Orange County – California – USA)
3rd Place – eStars 2007, 11–12 August 2007 (Shared 3rd/4th), (Seoul – South Korea)
1st Place – WCG Dutch Finals, 30 August 2007, (Rotterdam – Netherlands)
1st Place – Clanbase EuroCup 2007, 8–9 September 2007, (Enschede – Netherlands)
1st Place – KODE5 Dutch Qualifiers, 27–28 October 2007, (Enschede – Netherlands)
1st Place – DreamHack Winter, November 2007, (Jönköping – Sweden)
2nd Place – Extreme Masters Season II, March 2008, (Hannover – Germany)
1st Place – ESWC Netherlands Qualifier 2008, 7 June 2008, (Enschede – Netherlands)
3rd Place – Blizzard Worldwide Invitational 2008, 28–29 June 2008, (Paris – France)
1st Place – WCG Netherlands Qualifier 2008, 12 July 2008, (Rotterdam – Netherlands)
1st Place – eStars Seoul, 24–27 July 2008, (Seoul – South Korea)
1st Place – EPS Benelux, 6 September 2008, (Utrecht – Netherlands)
1st Place – WCG Dutch Finals, 27 September 2008, (Amsterdam – Netherlands)
3rd Place – World e-Sports Masters 2008, 24 Oct – 2 Nov 2008, (Hangzhou – China)
1st Place – World Cyber Games 2008, 5–9 November 2008, (Cologne – Germany)
1st Place – Extreme Masters III – Korea, 13–20 November 2008, (Seoul – South Korea)
2nd Place – Extreme Masters III – China, January 2009, (Chengdu – China)
2nd Place – Blizzard Battle.net Season 7 – Europe Regionals, June 2009 (Cologne – Germany)
1st Place – e-Stars 2009 – King of the Game, July 2009 (Seoul – South Korea)
2nd Place – BlizzCon 2009, August 2009 (Orange County – California – USA)
1st Place – World e-Sports Masters 2009, December 2009 (Hangzhou – China)
1st Place – Blizzard Season 8 European Regionals (Cologne – Germany)
2nd Place – e-Stars 2010 – King of the Game (Seoul – South Korea)
2nd Place – WCG 2010, October 2010 (LA – USA)
This always takes me back.
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