[Code A] Group I Season 2 2014 - Page 35

On April 17 2014 17:27 Destructicon wrote:


Actually I'd argue TY dealt with the 2 base mutas excellently, he didn't take much damage and scored several kills on the mutas. It went down hill in the mid game though, especially when he failed to scout and punish the 4th of True. Also TY made one huge mistake, he started 2/2 super, you're supposed to start your 3/3 at like 14 or 15 mins, TY started his 2/2 at around 16.

On April 17 2014 17:17 TW wrote:


What kind of responses? He should have built more mines, or make more Thors?

I am tired of people saying what should Terrans do, how sloppy they were, that their micro wasn't good enough, failed at macro etc.

What is a fact, is that Terrans are losing left and right. Tell me why almost no one said that True didn't play very well either, but so many people are pointing out TYs mistakes.

On April 17 2014 17:30 Flonomenalz wrote:

It doesn't matter what mistakes your opponent makes if you make more mistakes then he does.

TY made more mistakes.

On April 17 2014 17:39 Daswollvieh wrote:


I think the frustration derives merely from expectations. People expect Ty or Flash, for that matter, to smash their opposition in GSL, after seeing great games from them in PL. When they lose to "lesser" players (who do worse in PL) like Shine and True, they´re frustrated, the games imbalanced, or too volatile.
Maybe we have to accept that some players surpass others in well-prepared bo1 scenarios, only to get walked over by the same people in a bo3+ format?

I mean, not everyone´s a Bbyongjwa.

On April 17 2014 17:40 Glorfindel! wrote:


I dont want to get into a balance discussion - but you need to point out what mistakes TY did similar to True loosing like ten mutas (like 1000/1000 resources) that justifies the small errors in TYs play. I dont think TY played nowhere near perfect, but True made some really big blunders that costed him (from a Terrans point of view infinitive resources) and in the end it seemed to make no difference at all.

Personally I feel the Muta-Bling-composition is reaching BL-Infestor level where everyone points out all mistakes of the Terran players. Truth is, the maps are getting so extremly big that it is incredible hard for a Bio-playing Terran to ever get far enough out on creep to seriously hurt a Zerg to do damage without being counter-harassed to death. As of now, we still have not seen a really good answer to this. Perhaps Fantasy hybrid unit comp vs Life is an execption.

Personally I feel Terrans, at the highest level, needs to either play mech or they wont stand a fighting chance against the best Zerg players in the world.

On April 17 2014 17:42 SC2Toastie wrote:

People need to get rid of the thought Flash is a top contender, he's a code A level player and doesn't belong in Code S, however sad that may be to some people.
TY is another story, he played a bit sloppily and forgot important, basic things (upgrades/scouting forth/defending bases).

And lastly, I don't consider True a lesser player.

On April 17 2014 17:44 Glorfindel! wrote:


If we cannot count Flash in as contender for Code S - how many Terrans do we have left then to actually consider to be solid Code S-players?
Like, how many good Korean Terrans can we actually claim is straight up better than Flash?

If the logic is: Flash is not good enough for Code S. Then anyone rated below him should be good enough for Code S either.

The stable Code S-players feels like.. TY (who apparently is not), Bbyong, Maru and Innovation. Supernova made it this season, but I would not count on him being there season to season anymore.

On April 17 2014 19:25 SC2Toastie wrote:
Jesus, say Flash is not Code S level and all of a sudden the world explodes. Sorry guys, he's not invincible anymore. He's borderline Code S/Code A. Last week, he made some inexcusable mistakes - he makes really bad mistakes more often. His play is far from flawless.
Terrans I would put above him;
Maru, TY
At least same level, probably higher;
Innovation, Fantasy, Polt, Taeja (on his game), Bbyong
Around the same level;
Jjakji, Bomber, Supernova, MMA.
Possible slightly worse;
Reality, Cure

I'm probably missing some and this list is obviously personal, but seriously, you simply CANNOT argue Flash is 'up there' with the best. He just is not.(yet?) His preparation from the BO1 is excellent, but I think that is partially because KT is still supporting him as their ubersuperace and as such, he gets more resources to work with than most players in Proleague.

On April 17 2014 19:25 SC2Toastie wrote:
Jesus, say Flash is not Code S level and all of a sudden the world explodes. Sorry guys, he's not invincible anymore.

On April 17 2014 20:07 SC2Toastie wrote:
I didn't say Code S players are invincible. Don't put words into my mouth.

The Code S finals were really close, with really clutch plays and some pretty understandable mistakes from both sides.

I don't know what you guys are angry about.

Just face it and deal with it - Flash isn't the best Terran around.

Same goes for imrusty. Interpret my words any way you want, but don't parafrase them so you can put other words into my mouth.

On April 17 2014 20:19 Caihead wrote:


I quoted you word for word in the exact same sequence as you starting your post, how's that putting words in your mouth.

Code S finals had understandable mistakes, same as mistakes being made by people who don't qualify for Code S.

People are pissed because you turn "not the best terran around" into "not fit to qualify for Code S". People just want to see TY/Flash in Code S so they see more of them in Bo3+ environment. I don't see anybody saying Flash is the best in any thread any more.

On April 17 2014 19:50 Caihead wrote:


You do realize saying someone is Code S level isn't the same as saying someone is invincible right.