On March 17 2014 01:29 Godwrath wrote: I am amazed, i didn't know there were LoL players more awkward than sc2 players.
Our SC2 players are starting to get a bit older, and a bit more used to being in the spotlight. LoL is still full of really young kids that have no idea how to act in public.
On March 17 2014 01:29 Godwrath wrote: I am amazed, i didn't know there were LoL players more awkward than sc2 players.
Our SC2 players are starting to get a bit older, and a bit more used to being in the spotlight. LoL is still full of really young kids that have no idea how to act in public.
I think it was a great tournament, lots of good series from the open brackets and forwards. Had the final ended in a 6 or 7 map nail-biter, the first two proxy-wins would even have been an interesting curiosity. But I guess there was just too much on the line for either player to give away the initiative of the openings.
The winner takes all didn't do much good, though. But maybe the difference in first prize between tournaments would have been to obvious with a "normal" distribution?
On March 17 2014 01:14 virpi wrote: The games might not have been entertaining, but seriously, there have lots and lots of similar finals in the past. Remember the cheesefests in broodwar?
There wasn't something like these finals in BW yet. And it will never be.
lol what, triple bunker rush?
You don't know what you're speaking about.
First of all, it wasn't a mirror matchup and winner takes it all prize allocation. Secondly, it requires more skill than proxy gates and dt rush.
How does bunker rush take more skill then proxy gate? You're right about the wta format though.
On March 17 2014 01:29 Godwrath wrote: I am amazed, i didn't know there were LoL players more awkward than sc2 players.
Our SC2 players are starting to get a bit older, and a bit more used to being in the spotlight. LoL is still full of really young kids that have no idea how to act in public.
On March 17 2014 01:14 DaedricTV wrote: You see, you people have never been in a competitive experience in your life, hence why you can't understand how good that series was.
Actually I've played in a World Cup final (not StarCraft obv.). What's your claim to fame?
Making assumptions about other people over the internet and generally shitty posts probably.
Your posts are getting a little too bitter, can't we just be friends?
If you stop making a fool out of yourself, sure, but right now you are making yourself such an easy and eager target.
On March 17 2014 01:14 TotalBiscuit wrote: The winner takes all gamble was a disaster. Let's never do that again.
Why?
Let me count the ways.
1) Players should actually get paid for their work and their achievements. Winner takes all is the complete antithesis of that. The least player friendly format you can possibly have
2) Running a winner takes all tournament during a period of noted imbalance is a sure fire way to piss off the viewers and rile people up.
3) Winner takes all tournament with single elimination format. The mind boggles.
4) This whole thing was a viewership gamble by ESL. It was contrary to Carmacs own thoughts on sustainability and the eSports "middle class", even if it was just a one off. The gamble didn't pay off. Viewership spiked in the finals for all of the 20 minutes it took for those finals to end. There was literally more downtime than games and it left everyone with a sour taste in their mouths. The viewership during the actual event was often lower than Cologne, which doesn't make a huge amount of sense to me, but whatever the case, the purpose of the winner takes all was to drive viewership and it failed to do that. If it had succeeded, I'd get behind it, sometimes viewership is more important even for the players and the teams, that exposure, that sponsorship ROI, super important (though not that ESL did anything to help that really since they're not even using team logos in Gameheart let alone the sponsor overlays), but in this case since it didn't achieve that objective either I'd consider it a failure.
SC2 is in a fragile state and in order to make sure it can be sustained, we need tournaments that use fair, sustainable models. ESL said this was a one off, I hope it remains a one off.
People always complain about imbalance. Single elim is more exciting to watch. If it wasnt such a shitty finals, I'm sure would voicing their opinions here would do a 180. It's unfortunate we didn't get a TvZ finals.
None of that addresses why TB said it was a bad format.
He's only following your "heart over head" advice when arguing for something. YOU MADE HIM THIS WAY
On March 17 2014 01:29 Godwrath wrote: I am amazed, i didn't know there were LoL players more awkward than sc2 players.
Our SC2 players are starting to get a bit older, and a bit more used to being in the spotlight. LoL is still full of really young kids that have no idea how to act in public.
Ehhm, the player who got the reward is 25.
Yeah but how old is he in LoL age?
LoL age? He's played it since 2010 and won his first major tournament 2012.
On March 17 2014 01:14 TotalBiscuit wrote: The winner takes all gamble was a disaster. Let's never do that again.
Why?
Let me count the ways.
1) Players should actually get paid for their work and their achievements. Winner takes all is the complete antithesis of that. The least player friendly format you can possibly have
2) Running a winner takes all tournament during a period of noted imbalance is a sure fire way to piss off the viewers and rile people up.
3) Winner takes all tournament with single elimination format. The mind boggles.
4) This whole thing was a viewership gamble by ESL. It was contrary to Carmacs own thoughts on sustainability and the eSports "middle class", even if it was just a one off. The gamble didn't pay off. Viewership spiked in the finals for all of the 20 minutes it took for those finals to end. There was literally more downtime than games and it left everyone with a sour taste in their mouths. The viewership during the actual event was often lower than Cologne, which doesn't make a huge amount of sense to me, but whatever the case, the purpose of the winner takes all was to drive viewership and it failed to do that. If it had succeeded, I'd get behind it, sometimes viewership is more important even for the players and the teams, that exposure, that sponsorship ROI, super important (though not that ESL did anything to help that really since they're not even using team logos in Gameheart let alone the sponsor overlays), but in this case since it didn't achieve that objective either I'd consider it a failure.
SC2 is in a fragile state and in order to make sure it can be sustained, we need tournaments that use fair, sustainable models. ESL said this was a one off, I hope it remains a one off.
People always complain about imbalance. Single elim is more exciting to watch. If it wasnt such a shitty finals, I'm sure would voicing their opinions here would do a 180. It's unfortunate we didn't get a TvZ finals.
None of that addresses why TB said it was a bad format.
He's only following your "heart over head" advice when arguing for something. YOU MADE HIM THIS WAY
On March 17 2014 01:14 TotalBiscuit wrote: The winner takes all gamble was a disaster. Let's never do that again.
Why so? except for the PvP, this tournament format was alot more interesting. Protoss is just boring to watch.
Because the finals are basically the end The culmination of a tournamet of how a tournament is remembered. When we look back on this in 6 months it won't be my god that Jjakji vs Revival series was godly, it will be remember that time sOs proxy double gated his way to 100k. Thanks IEM!
On March 17 2014 01:19 NovaTheFeared wrote: I haven't been following the HotS scene, has there ever been a worse final than this in a major tournament?
Inca v Nestea
We got to go back to WoL year 1. DAmnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
I think people forget how bad marineking vs MVP was, it was pretty much MVP breaking marineking before the matches even began and laughing to the bank.
What'd MVP do?
Wasn't as much what MVP did as much as what MKP didn't do. Which was anything, he just kinda rolled over.
Something like... One guy makes units. One guy makes CCs. Guy with units attacks. Guy with CCs flies them away Guy with units kills everything gg?
EPT
