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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On March 17 2014 01:35 75 wrote:around 110k were listed on TL sidebar. no idea how many exaclty, though
120K or 150K if we include China (Though China is always around 20-30K from what little I've heard)
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:< sOs always manages to kill the tournaments I want to see my fav'ed players win. First Blizzcon, now IEM WC. Oh well - congratulations anyways on that shitload of money!
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We should enjoy these last months that sc2 is still considered one of the big e-sport titles.
100 000 nowadays for big tournament final just isn't very much. Few months and ESL will drop sc2 also
and all we have left is blizzcon.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On March 17 2014 01:36 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2014 01:34 stuchiu wrote:On March 17 2014 01:33 Darkhorse wrote:On March 17 2014 01:30 stuchiu wrote:On March 17 2014 01:28 KaiserJohan wrote:On March 17 2014 01:19 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 17 2014 01:14 Nomzter wrote:On March 17 2014 01:14 TotalBiscuit wrote:
The winner takes all gamble was a disaster. Let's never do that again. Why? Let me count the ways. 1) Players should actually get paid for their work and their achievements. Winner takes all is the complete antithesis of that. The least player friendly format you can possibly have 2) Running a winner takes all tournament during a period of noted imbalance is a sure fire way to piss off the viewers and rile people up. 3) Winner takes all tournament with single elimination format. The mind boggles. 4) This whole thing was a viewership gamble by ESL. It was contrary to Carmacs own thoughts on sustainability and the eSports "middle class", even if it was just a one off. The gamble didn't pay off. Viewership spiked in the finals for all of the 20 minutes it took for those finals to end. There was literally more downtime than games and it left everyone with a sour taste in their mouths. The viewership during the actual event was often lower than Cologne, which doesn't make a huge amount of sense to me, but whatever the case, the purpose of the winner takes all was to drive viewership and it failed to do that. If it had succeeded, I'd get behind it, sometimes viewership is more important even for the players and the teams, that exposure, that sponsorship ROI, super important (though not that ESL did anything to help that really since they're not even using team logos in Gameheart let alone the sponsor overlays), but in this case since it didn't achieve that objective either I'd consider it a failure. SC2 is in a fragile state and in order to make sure it can be sustained, we need tournaments that use fair, sustainable models. ESL said this was a one off, I hope it remains a one off. People always complain about imbalance. Single elim is more exciting to watch. If it wasnt such a shitty finals, I'm sure would voicing their opinions here would do a 180. It's unfortunate we didn't get a TvZ finals. None of that addresses why TB said it was a bad format. He's only following your "heart over head" advice when arguing for something. YOU MADE HIM THIS WAY My god Now you realize what you've done, but there is no going back now. You will live through it, suffer, and rue the day you ever gave that lesson the the LR world.
Nahhhhhh, 10 pool for life yo
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On March 17 2014 01:32 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2014 01:28 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On March 17 2014 01:19 bo1b wrote:On March 17 2014 01:18 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On March 17 2014 01:14 virpi wrote:
The games might not have been entertaining, but seriously, there have lots and lots of similar finals in the past. Remember the cheesefests in broodwar? There wasn't something like these finals in BW yet. And it will never be. lol what, triple bunker rush? You don't know what you're speaking about. First of all, it wasn't a mirror matchup and winner takes it all prize allocation. Secondly, it requires more skill than proxy gates and dt rush. How does bunker rush take more skill then proxy gate? You're right about the wta format though.
Bunker rushing strategies requires good micro and knowing of timings to be effective. If proxy gate or dt rush wasn't scouted by the opponent, it's an auto win.
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United States23455 Posts
On March 17 2014 01:38 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2014 01:12 stuchiu wrote:On March 17 2014 01:11 Fusilero wrote:On March 16 2014 21:15 The_Templar wrote:
I think we will break 100 pages today, easily Awkward Well not easily, but it'll break! Unless he meant during the games. See we broke 100 pages because everyone moaned about how this thread would be empty #TemplarLogic
Unfortunately we didn't break 1000 for the event overall. I think we're at like 900 currently.
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On March 17 2014 01:39 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2014 01:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 17 2014 01:28 Musicus wrote:On March 17 2014 01:23 Ragnarork wrote:On March 17 2014 01:14 TotalBiscuit wrote:
The winner takes all gamble was a disaster. Let's never do that again. 4 days of wins for herO pissed down the drain in 20 minutes of the worst final in history, jesus. Though I feel really bad for herO (and I was cheering for him), and though this final was by many standards quite poor (though not by the series planning one, sOs played that really well), I still think it was something to try out once. And I think this is the reason for which we got so many awesome games in the bracket, but in the current metagame with a lot of protoss, that could also lead (and it did) to such a final. So I wouldn't call that a disaster, but rather an experience with its drawbacks and its advantages. Because let's be honest. It's a shame, but if you want people to give it all, you got to put a lot of money on the table. Make it this "allin-ish", and you'll get some of the best SC2. I'm totally not in favor of doing this often, though. Once a year could be a good frequency. IEM cologne games were just as good imo and a better final. Players will try just as hard for 40k as for 100k. This guy right here gets it. Huge diminishing returns on grand prize after a certain point and it's a far lower threshold than this. <3 At least the Masterpiece theatre was just as awesome today, "90k for a PvP final, imagine if the real races were playing" really made me laugh out loud  . For anyone who hasn't had the pleasure yet: https://soundcloud.com/totalbiscuit/masterpiece-theatre-presents-1
Hahaha, TB :D
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On March 17 2014 01:40 Qwerty85 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2014 01:39 Musicus wrote:On March 17 2014 01:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 17 2014 01:28 Musicus wrote:On March 17 2014 01:23 Ragnarork wrote:On March 17 2014 01:14 TotalBiscuit wrote:
The winner takes all gamble was a disaster. Let's never do that again. 4 days of wins for herO pissed down the drain in 20 minutes of the worst final in history, jesus. Though I feel really bad for herO (and I was cheering for him), and though this final was by many standards quite poor (though not by the series planning one, sOs played that really well), I still think it was something to try out once. And I think this is the reason for which we got so many awesome games in the bracket, but in the current metagame with a lot of protoss, that could also lead (and it did) to such a final. So I wouldn't call that a disaster, but rather an experience with its drawbacks and its advantages. Because let's be honest. It's a shame, but if you want people to give it all, you got to put a lot of money on the table. Make it this "allin-ish", and you'll get some of the best SC2. I'm totally not in favor of doing this often, though. Once a year could be a good frequency. IEM cologne games were just as good imo and a better final. Players will try just as hard for 40k as for 100k. This guy right here gets it. Huge diminishing returns on grand prize after a certain point and it's a far lower threshold than this. <3 At least the Masterpiece theatre was just as awesome today, "90k for a PvP final, imagine if the real races were playing" really made me laugh out loud . For anyone who hasn't had the pleasure yet: https://soundcloud.com/totalbiscuit/masterpiece-theatre-presents-1 Hahaha, TB :D
I laughed my ass off at the "Oreos". So random.
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"PvP is so good right now."
This finals should be forgotten and the winner takes it all format should be burned.
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United States23455 Posts
On March 17 2014 01:39 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2014 01:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 17 2014 01:28 Musicus wrote:On March 17 2014 01:23 Ragnarork wrote:On March 17 2014 01:14 TotalBiscuit wrote:
The winner takes all gamble was a disaster. Let's never do that again. 4 days of wins for herO pissed down the drain in 20 minutes of the worst final in history, jesus. Though I feel really bad for herO (and I was cheering for him), and though this final was by many standards quite poor (though not by the series planning one, sOs played that really well), I still think it was something to try out once. And I think this is the reason for which we got so many awesome games in the bracket, but in the current metagame with a lot of protoss, that could also lead (and it did) to such a final. So I wouldn't call that a disaster, but rather an experience with its drawbacks and its advantages. Because let's be honest. It's a shame, but if you want people to give it all, you got to put a lot of money on the table. Make it this "allin-ish", and you'll get some of the best SC2. I'm totally not in favor of doing this often, though. Once a year could be a good frequency. IEM cologne games were just as good imo and a better final. Players will try just as hard for 40k as for 100k. This guy right here gets it. Huge diminishing returns on grand prize after a certain point and it's a far lower threshold than this. <3 At least the Masterpiece theatre was just as awesome today, "90k for a PvP final, imagine if the real races were playing" really made me laugh out loud . For anyone who hasn't had the pleasure yet: https://soundcloud.com/totalbiscuit/masterpiece-theatre-presents-1
Dinotramp was also in the Twitch chat?
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On March 17 2014 01:42 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2014 01:39 Musicus wrote:On March 17 2014 01:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 17 2014 01:28 Musicus wrote:On March 17 2014 01:23 Ragnarork wrote:On March 17 2014 01:14 TotalBiscuit wrote:
The winner takes all gamble was a disaster. Let's never do that again. 4 days of wins for herO pissed down the drain in 20 minutes of the worst final in history, jesus. Though I feel really bad for herO (and I was cheering for him), and though this final was by many standards quite poor (though not by the series planning one, sOs played that really well), I still think it was something to try out once. And I think this is the reason for which we got so many awesome games in the bracket, but in the current metagame with a lot of protoss, that could also lead (and it did) to such a final. So I wouldn't call that a disaster, but rather an experience with its drawbacks and its advantages. Because let's be honest. It's a shame, but if you want people to give it all, you got to put a lot of money on the table. Make it this "allin-ish", and you'll get some of the best SC2. I'm totally not in favor of doing this often, though. Once a year could be a good frequency. IEM cologne games were just as good imo and a better final. Players will try just as hard for 40k as for 100k. This guy right here gets it. Huge diminishing returns on grand prize after a certain point and it's a far lower threshold than this. <3 At least the Masterpiece theatre was just as awesome today, "90k for a PvP final, imagine if the real races were playing" really made me laugh out loud . For anyone who hasn't had the pleasure yet: https://soundcloud.com/totalbiscuit/masterpiece-theatre-presents-1 Dinotramp was also in the Twitch chat?
Only place to safely vent your frustration i guess.
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France9034 Posts
On March 17 2014 01:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2014 01:28 Musicus wrote:On March 17 2014 01:23 Ragnarork wrote:On March 17 2014 01:14 TotalBiscuit wrote:
The winner takes all gamble was a disaster. Let's never do that again. 4 days of wins for herO pissed down the drain in 20 minutes of the worst final in history, jesus. Though I feel really bad for herO (and I was cheering for him), and though this final was by many standards quite poor (though not by the series planning one, sOs played that really well), I still think it was something to try out once. And I think this is the reason for which we got so many awesome games in the bracket, but in the current metagame with a lot of protoss, that could also lead (and it did) to such a final. So I wouldn't call that a disaster, but rather an experience with its drawbacks and its advantages. Because let's be honest. It's a shame, but if you want people to give it all, you got to put a lot of money on the table. Make it this "allin-ish", and you'll get some of the best SC2. I'm totally not in favor of doing this often, though. Once a year could be a good frequency. IEM cologne games were just as good imo and a better final. Players will try just as hard for 40k as for 100k. This guy right here gets it. Huge diminishing returns on grand prize after a certain point and it's a far lower threshold than this.
Yeah, well, point taken.
This was a terrible idea.
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On March 17 2014 01:40 Qwerty85 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2014 01:39 Musicus wrote:On March 17 2014 01:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 17 2014 01:28 Musicus wrote:On March 17 2014 01:23 Ragnarork wrote:On March 17 2014 01:14 TotalBiscuit wrote:
The winner takes all gamble was a disaster. Let's never do that again. 4 days of wins for herO pissed down the drain in 20 minutes of the worst final in history, jesus. Though I feel really bad for herO (and I was cheering for him), and though this final was by many standards quite poor (though not by the series planning one, sOs played that really well), I still think it was something to try out once. And I think this is the reason for which we got so many awesome games in the bracket, but in the current metagame with a lot of protoss, that could also lead (and it did) to such a final. So I wouldn't call that a disaster, but rather an experience with its drawbacks and its advantages. Because let's be honest. It's a shame, but if you want people to give it all, you got to put a lot of money on the table. Make it this "allin-ish", and you'll get some of the best SC2. I'm totally not in favor of doing this often, though. Once a year could be a good frequency. IEM cologne games were just as good imo and a better final. Players will try just as hard for 40k as for 100k. This guy right here gets it. Huge diminishing returns on grand prize after a certain point and it's a far lower threshold than this. <3 At least the Masterpiece theatre was just as awesome today, "90k for a PvP final, imagine if the real races were playing" really made me laugh out loud . For anyone who hasn't had the pleasure yet: https://soundcloud.com/totalbiscuit/masterpiece-theatre-presents-1 Hahaha, TB :D
Lol I can't stop listening... I'm laughing my ass off!
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There was no opportunity to play hero's best because it was mind games.. sos havent scouted if he himself was being proxied.
But overall this tourney bring like 3-5best game of the year!
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On March 17 2014 01:42 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2014 01:39 Musicus wrote:On March 17 2014 01:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 17 2014 01:28 Musicus wrote:On March 17 2014 01:23 Ragnarork wrote:On March 17 2014 01:14 TotalBiscuit wrote:
The winner takes all gamble was a disaster. Let's never do that again. 4 days of wins for herO pissed down the drain in 20 minutes of the worst final in history, jesus. Though I feel really bad for herO (and I was cheering for him), and though this final was by many standards quite poor (though not by the series planning one, sOs played that really well), I still think it was something to try out once. And I think this is the reason for which we got so many awesome games in the bracket, but in the current metagame with a lot of protoss, that could also lead (and it did) to such a final. So I wouldn't call that a disaster, but rather an experience with its drawbacks and its advantages. Because let's be honest. It's a shame, but if you want people to give it all, you got to put a lot of money on the table. Make it this "allin-ish", and you'll get some of the best SC2. I'm totally not in favor of doing this often, though. Once a year could be a good frequency. IEM cologne games were just as good imo and a better final. Players will try just as hard for 40k as for 100k. This guy right here gets it. Huge diminishing returns on grand prize after a certain point and it's a far lower threshold than this. <3 At least the Masterpiece theatre was just as awesome today, "90k for a PvP final, imagine if the real races were playing" really made me laugh out loud . For anyone who hasn't had the pleasure yet: https://soundcloud.com/totalbiscuit/masterpiece-theatre-presents-1 Dinotramp was also in the Twitch chat?
100% of IEM WC Finals was PvP
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On March 17 2014 01:39 mqto wrote:
We should enjoy these last months that sc2 is still considered one of the big e-sport titles.
100 000 nowadays for big tournament final just isn't very much. Few months and ESL will drop sc2 also
and all we have left is blizzcon.
go away please
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On March 17 2014 01:40 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2014 01:38 The_Templar wrote:On March 17 2014 01:12 stuchiu wrote:On March 17 2014 01:11 Fusilero wrote:On March 16 2014 21:15 The_Templar wrote:
I think we will break 100 pages today, easily Awkward Well not easily, but it'll break! Unless he meant during the games. See we broke 100 pages because everyone moaned about how this thread would be empty #TemplarLogic Unfortunately we didn't break 1000 for the event overall. I think we're at like 900 currently.
Looks like we have NO PASSHUN
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On March 17 2014 01:40 ForTehDarkseid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2014 01:32 bo1b wrote:On March 17 2014 01:28 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On March 17 2014 01:19 bo1b wrote:On March 17 2014 01:18 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On March 17 2014 01:14 virpi wrote:
The games might not have been entertaining, but seriously, there have lots and lots of similar finals in the past. Remember the cheesefests in broodwar? There wasn't something like these finals in BW yet. And it will never be. lol what, triple bunker rush? You don't know what you're speaking about. First of all, it wasn't a mirror matchup and winner takes it all prize allocation. Secondly, it requires more skill than proxy gates and dt rush. How does bunker rush take more skill then proxy gate? You're right about the wta format though. Bunker rushing strategies require good micro and knowing of timings to be effective. If proxy gate or dt rush wasn't scouted by the opponent, it's an auto win.
Nope. Ask parting
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On March 17 2014 01:40 Qwerty85 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2014 01:39 Musicus wrote:On March 17 2014 01:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 17 2014 01:28 Musicus wrote:On March 17 2014 01:23 Ragnarork wrote:On March 17 2014 01:14 TotalBiscuit wrote:
The winner takes all gamble was a disaster. Let's never do that again. 4 days of wins for herO pissed down the drain in 20 minutes of the worst final in history, jesus. Though I feel really bad for herO (and I was cheering for him), and though this final was by many standards quite poor (though not by the series planning one, sOs played that really well), I still think it was something to try out once. And I think this is the reason for which we got so many awesome games in the bracket, but in the current metagame with a lot of protoss, that could also lead (and it did) to such a final. So I wouldn't call that a disaster, but rather an experience with its drawbacks and its advantages. Because let's be honest. It's a shame, but if you want people to give it all, you got to put a lot of money on the table. Make it this "allin-ish", and you'll get some of the best SC2. I'm totally not in favor of doing this often, though. Once a year could be a good frequency. IEM cologne games were just as good imo and a better final. Players will try just as hard for 40k as for 100k. This guy right here gets it. Huge diminishing returns on grand prize after a certain point and it's a far lower threshold than this. <3 At least the Masterpiece theatre was just as awesome today, "90k for a PvP final, imagine if the real races were playing" really made me laugh out loud . For anyone who hasn't had the pleasure yet: https://soundcloud.com/totalbiscuit/masterpiece-theatre-presents-1 Hahaha, TB :D
Anyone know why i can't hear a thing?
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Wait, so are people actually bitching about PvP matches being short????? Like they didn't know this beforehand?
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