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NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
March 16 2014 16:45 GMT
#2301
On March 17 2014 01:43 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 01:40 Darkhorse wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:38 The_Templar wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:12 stuchiu wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:11 Fusilero wrote:
On March 16 2014 21:15 The_Templar wrote:
I think we will break 100 pages today, easily

Awkward


Well not easily, but it'll break! Unless he meant during the games.

See we broke 100 pages because everyone moaned about how this thread would be empty
#TemplarLogic

Unfortunately we didn't break 1000 for the event overall. I think we're at like 900 currently.

Looks like we have NO PASSHUN

Dont worry, all the Protoss hate and daed game bullshit can milk out a couple of pages more
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
March 16 2014 16:45 GMT
#2302
On March 17 2014 01:45 RaFox17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 01:40 Qwerty85 wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:39 Musicus wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:28 Musicus wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:23 Ragnarork wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:14 TotalBiscuit wrote:
The winner takes all gamble was a disaster. Let's never do that again. 4 days of wins for herO pissed down the drain in 20 minutes of the worst final in history, jesus.


Though I feel really bad for herO (and I was cheering for him), and though this final was by many standards quite poor (though not by the series planning one, sOs played that really well), I still think it was something to try out once. And I think this is the reason for which we got so many awesome games in the bracket, but in the current metagame with a lot of protoss, that could also lead (and it did) to such a final. So I wouldn't call that a disaster, but rather an experience with its drawbacks and its advantages.

Because let's be honest. It's a shame, but if you want people to give it all, you got to put a lot of money on the table. Make it this "allin-ish", and you'll get some of the best SC2.

I'm totally not in favor of doing this often, though. Once a year could be a good frequency.


IEM cologne games were just as good imo and a better final. Players will try just as hard for 40k as for 100k.


This guy right here gets it. Huge diminishing returns on grand prize after a certain point and it's a far lower threshold than this.


<3

At least the Masterpiece theatre was just as awesome today, "90k for a PvP final, imagine if the real races were playing" really made me laugh out loud .

For anyone who hasn't had the pleasure yet:

https://soundcloud.com/totalbiscuit/masterpiece-theatre-presents-1


Hahaha, TB :D

Anyone know why i can't hear a thing?


Forgot to put on headset?
On track to MA1950A.
Spect8rCraft
Profile Joined December 2012
649 Posts
March 16 2014 16:45 GMT
#2303
How incredible that sOs and herO managed to finish the finals faster than FireCake can finish a game.

*obligatory time-related FireCake joke
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
March 16 2014 16:45 GMT
#2304
On March 17 2014 01:45 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:
Wait, so are people actually bitching about PvP matches being short????? Like they didn't know this beforehand?



They're missing the LaZ0rS I think.
LiquipediaWanderer
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
March 16 2014 16:45 GMT
#2305
On March 17 2014 01:43 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 01:40 Darkhorse wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:38 The_Templar wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:12 stuchiu wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:11 Fusilero wrote:
On March 16 2014 21:15 The_Templar wrote:
I think we will break 100 pages today, easily

Awkward


Well not easily, but it'll break! Unless he meant during the games.

See we broke 100 pages because everyone moaned about how this thread would be empty
#TemplarLogic

Unfortunately we didn't break 1000 for the event overall. I think we're at like 900 currently.

Looks like we have NO PASSHUN

We had like 1700 for Blizzcon. Passhun denied.
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SampritB
Profile Joined June 2013
United Kingdom56 Posts
March 16 2014 16:46 GMT
#2306
On March 17 2014 01:39 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 01:35 75 wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:34 seak99 wrote:
how many viewers did it get?

around 110k were listed on TL sidebar.

no idea how many exaclty, though


120K or 150K if we include China (Though China is always around 20-30K from what little I've heard)

Quite a few more, if we include SPOTV numbers, but we won't know those...
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-16 16:46:59
March 16 2014 16:46 GMT
#2307
On March 17 2014 01:45 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 01:43 IntoTheheart wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:40 Darkhorse wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:38 The_Templar wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:12 stuchiu wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:11 Fusilero wrote:
On March 16 2014 21:15 The_Templar wrote:
I think we will break 100 pages today, easily

Awkward


Well not easily, but it'll break! Unless he meant during the games.

See we broke 100 pages because everyone moaned about how this thread would be empty
#TemplarLogic

Unfortunately we didn't break 1000 for the event overall. I think we're at like 900 currently.

Looks like we have NO PASSHUN

We had like 1700 for Blizzcon. Passhun denied.


Why the fuck do these kind of counts matter? :D
LiquipediaWanderer
pikachu8090
Profile Joined October 2013
51 Posts
March 16 2014 16:46 GMT
#2308
On March 17 2014 01:39 mqto wrote:
We should enjoy these last months that sc2 is still considered one of the big e-sport titles.
100 000 nowadays for big tournament final just isn't very much. Few months and ESL will drop sc2 also
and all we have left is blizzcon.


I don't know about your statement. I mean MLG failed at dropping Sc2 while dropping dota for Anehiem
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
March 16 2014 16:47 GMT
#2309
On March 17 2014 01:46 SampritB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 01:39 stuchiu wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:35 75 wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:34 seak99 wrote:
how many viewers did it get?

around 110k were listed on TL sidebar.

no idea how many exaclty, though


120K or 150K if we include China (Though China is always around 20-30K from what little I've heard)

Quite a few more, if we include SPOTV numbers, but we won't know those...


It was probably somewhere between 1 and 100,000
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
WhizPower
Profile Joined June 2013
Netherlands33 Posts
March 16 2014 16:47 GMT
#2310
sOs deserves the win but it was a terrible series to watch.

Also I hope ESL realizes winner takes all sucks now. All it does is make people feel extra bad for the loser.
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
March 16 2014 16:47 GMT
#2311
On March 17 2014 01:42 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 01:40 Qwerty85 wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:39 Musicus wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:28 Musicus wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:23 Ragnarork wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:14 TotalBiscuit wrote:
The winner takes all gamble was a disaster. Let's never do that again. 4 days of wins for herO pissed down the drain in 20 minutes of the worst final in history, jesus.


Though I feel really bad for herO (and I was cheering for him), and though this final was by many standards quite poor (though not by the series planning one, sOs played that really well), I still think it was something to try out once. And I think this is the reason for which we got so many awesome games in the bracket, but in the current metagame with a lot of protoss, that could also lead (and it did) to such a final. So I wouldn't call that a disaster, but rather an experience with its drawbacks and its advantages.

Because let's be honest. It's a shame, but if you want people to give it all, you got to put a lot of money on the table. Make it this "allin-ish", and you'll get some of the best SC2.

I'm totally not in favor of doing this often, though. Once a year could be a good frequency.


IEM cologne games were just as good imo and a better final. Players will try just as hard for 40k as for 100k.


This guy right here gets it. Huge diminishing returns on grand prize after a certain point and it's a far lower threshold than this.


<3

At least the Masterpiece theatre was just as awesome today, "90k for a PvP final, imagine if the real races were playing" really made me laugh out loud .

For anyone who hasn't had the pleasure yet:

https://soundcloud.com/totalbiscuit/masterpiece-theatre-presents-1


Hahaha, TB :D

I laughed my ass off at the "Oreos". So random.


also "skinny kids"... wtf? hilarious
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-16 16:50:35
March 16 2014 16:47 GMT
#2312
On March 17 2014 01:44 covetousrat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 01:40 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:32 bo1b wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:28 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:19 bo1b wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:18 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:14 virpi wrote:
The games might not have been entertaining, but seriously, there have lots and lots of similar finals in the past. Remember the cheesefests in broodwar?

There wasn't something like these finals in BW yet. And it will never be.

lol what, triple bunker rush?

You don't know what you're speaking about.

First of all, it wasn't a mirror matchup and winner takes it all prize allocation.
Secondly, it requires more skill than proxy gates and dt rush.

How does bunker rush take more skill then proxy gate? You're right about the wta format though.

Bunker rushing strategies require good micro and knowing of timings to be effective. If proxy gate or dt rush wasn't scouted by the opponent, it's an auto win.


Nope. Ask parting

About what? Show me the VODs where Parting's opponent proxy gated / dt rushed, didn't get scouted and then proceed to lose the game. Or were you talking about putting SOUL into every all-in possible?
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-16 16:51:16
March 16 2014 16:48 GMT
#2313
On March 17 2014 01:46 pikachu8090 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 01:39 mqto wrote:
We should enjoy these last months that sc2 is still considered one of the big e-sport titles.
100 000 nowadays for big tournament final just isn't very much. Few months and ESL will drop sc2 also
and all we have left is blizzcon.


I don't know about your statement. I mean MLG failed at dropping Sc2 while dropping dota for Anehiem

They were forced into dropping Dota, because of a tight pro teams' schedule.
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
March 16 2014 16:49 GMT
#2314
On March 17 2014 01:46 Ragnarork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 01:45 Darkhorse wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:43 IntoTheheart wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:40 Darkhorse wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:38 The_Templar wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:12 stuchiu wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:11 Fusilero wrote:
On March 16 2014 21:15 The_Templar wrote:
I think we will break 100 pages today, easily

Awkward


Well not easily, but it'll break! Unless he meant during the games.

See we broke 100 pages because everyone moaned about how this thread would be empty
#TemplarLogic

Unfortunately we didn't break 1000 for the event overall. I think we're at like 900 currently.

Looks like we have NO PASSHUN

We had like 1700 for Blizzcon. Passhun denied.


Why the fuck do these kind of counts matter? :D

Because passion Ragnarok
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12535 Posts
March 16 2014 16:49 GMT
#2315
On March 17 2014 01:45 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:
Wait, so are people actually bitching about PvP matches being short????? Like they didn't know this beforehand?



Implying that people wouldn't bitch about long PvP matches. That's the great thing about bitching, it adapts to circumstances.
No will to live, no wish to die
pyro19
Profile Joined August 2010
6575 Posts
March 16 2014 16:50 GMT
#2316
I would complain about Blizzard's inability to properly Balance a game , But then i remember exactly why I stopped watching SC2 since I got my hands on a dota 2 key.
Thy Shall Die Alone...or emm..something like that.
gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
March 16 2014 16:51 GMT
#2317
On March 17 2014 01:47 WhizPower wrote:
sOs deserves the win but it was a terrible series to watch.

Also I hope ESL realizes winner takes all sucks now. All it does is make people feel extra bad for the loser.

Its a PvP. Man what do you expect o_o. The tournament was more then fine.
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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
March 16 2014 16:51 GMT
#2318
On March 17 2014 01:40 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 01:32 bo1b wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:28 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:19 bo1b wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:18 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:14 virpi wrote:
The games might not have been entertaining, but seriously, there have lots and lots of similar finals in the past. Remember the cheesefests in broodwar?

There wasn't something like these finals in BW yet. And it will never be.

lol what, triple bunker rush?

You don't know what you're speaking about.

First of all, it wasn't a mirror matchup and winner takes it all prize allocation.
Secondly, it requires more skill than proxy gates and dt rush.

How does bunker rush take more skill then proxy gate? You're right about the wta format though.

Bunker rushing strategies requires good micro and knowing of timings to be effective. If proxy gate or dt rush wasn't scouted by the opponent, it's an auto win.

I don't think you know what you're talking about tbh. Dt rush is auto loss if its scouted I suppose, but so is bunker rush really.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
March 16 2014 16:52 GMT
#2319
On March 17 2014 01:47 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 01:44 covetousrat wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:40 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:32 bo1b wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:28 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:19 bo1b wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:18 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:14 virpi wrote:
The games might not have been entertaining, but seriously, there have lots and lots of similar finals in the past. Remember the cheesefests in broodwar?

There wasn't something like these finals in BW yet. And it will never be.

lol what, triple bunker rush?

You don't know what you're speaking about.

First of all, it wasn't a mirror matchup and winner takes it all prize allocation.
Secondly, it requires more skill than proxy gates and dt rush.

How does bunker rush take more skill then proxy gate? You're right about the wta format though.

Bunker rushing strategies require good micro and knowing of timings to be effective. If proxy gate or dt rush wasn't scouted by the opponent, it's an auto win.


Nope. Ask parting

About what? Show me the VODs where Parting's opponent proxy gated / dt rushed, didn't get scouted and then proceed to lose the game. Or were you talking about putting SOUL into every all-in possible?


There have been a few, especially in Proleague. I think one of them involved Zest.
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CruelZeratul
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany4588 Posts
March 16 2014 16:52 GMT
#2320
On March 17 2014 01:50 pyro19 wrote:
I would complain about Blizzard's inability to properly Balance a game , But then i remember exactly why I stopped watching SC2 since I got my hands on a dota 2 key.


Then gtfo out of our thread and troll the dota threads.
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