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SidianTheBard
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2474 Posts
March 16 2014 16:53 GMT
#2321
When is a single proxy gate ever any good? I suppose if the other protoss skips his first zealot but it still seems like 1 gate really won't have enough production to ever do much.
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
March 16 2014 16:53 GMT
#2322
On March 17 2014 01:51 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 01:47 WhizPower wrote:
sOs deserves the win but it was a terrible series to watch.

Also I hope ESL realizes winner takes all sucks now. All it does is make people feel extra bad for the loser.

Its a PvP. Man what do you expect o_o. The tournament was more then fine.


The PvP group was pretty good. Its just sOs is merciless in the face of 100k.
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SampritB
Profile Joined June 2013
United Kingdom56 Posts
March 16 2014 16:54 GMT
#2323
On March 17 2014 01:50 pyro19 wrote:
I would complain about Blizzard's inability to properly Balance a game , But then i remember exactly why I stopped watching SC2 since I got my hands on a dota 2 key.

Cool.
Rockafella
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom291 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-16 16:55:44
March 16 2014 16:54 GMT
#2324
With CS:GO on the rise and with a finals that bad, it feels like SC2 is becoming the ugly duckling of the E-Sports world in terms of these big events. It's a huge shame that the plethora of crazy, sick and outright weird games that came out of this weekend were shown to around 30-40k of the fans, most of whom are already into SC2. For a big event with potential new players and viewers I feel like finals like the one today are more than enough to kill any interest in SC2 for a lot of people who were looking to see what SC2 (B/O win PvP) is like compared to their favourite games (LOL / CS:GO). Most of whom will now never bother watching another game.

On a more positive note...


IEM have done a wonderful job yet again and we better hope upon hope that they keep running events like these, as they are up there with the absolute best that Dreamhack and Blizzard have to offer. We as loyal fans got spoilt by great games this weekend and while a lot people are shitting on the format, I have to believe that the format had something to do with the excitement factor of the games we saw.

Congratulations to sOs who kept his cool under the circumstances and a lot of people have a new found love for herO, who brought some huge plays and became a rarity for me, A Protoss player I rooted for!
RatzBarcode
Profile Joined December 2013
United States98 Posts
March 16 2014 16:54 GMT
#2325
On March 17 2014 01:47 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 01:44 covetousrat wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:40 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:32 bo1b wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:28 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:19 bo1b wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:18 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:14 virpi wrote:
The games might not have been entertaining, but seriously, there have lots and lots of similar finals in the past. Remember the cheesefests in broodwar?

There wasn't something like these finals in BW yet. And it will never be.

lol what, triple bunker rush?

You don't know what you're speaking about.

First of all, it wasn't a mirror matchup and winner takes it all prize allocation.
Secondly, it requires more skill than proxy gates and dt rush.

How does bunker rush take more skill then proxy gate? You're right about the wta format though.

Bunker rushing strategies require good micro and knowing of timings to be effective. If proxy gate or dt rush wasn't scouted by the opponent, it's an auto win.


Nope. Ask parting

About what? Show me the VODs where Parting's opponent proxy gated / dt rushed, didn't get scouted and then proceed to lose the game. Or were you talking about putting SOUL into every all-in possible?


Game 2 (I think) against classic, classic proxy 2 gated in partings natural. Parting got out a stalker, kited the zealots, and pulled all his probes to classics base, killing the probes and the zealots, winning.
Rustug
Profile Joined October 2010
1488 Posts
March 16 2014 16:55 GMT
#2326
On March 17 2014 01:52 CruelZeratul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 01:50 pyro19 wrote:
I would complain about Blizzard's inability to properly Balance a game , But then i remember exactly why I stopped watching SC2 since I got my hands on a dota 2 key.


Then gtfo out of our thread and troll the dota threads.


ByeBye!
Curious that we spend more time congratulating people who have succeeded than encouraging people who have not. 파이팅! ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ"
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-16 17:02:45
March 16 2014 16:58 GMT
#2327
On March 17 2014 01:51 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 01:40 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:32 bo1b wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:28 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:19 bo1b wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:18 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:14 virpi wrote:
The games might not have been entertaining, but seriously, there have lots and lots of similar finals in the past. Remember the cheesefests in broodwar?

There wasn't something like these finals in BW yet. And it will never be.

lol what, triple bunker rush?

You don't know what you're speaking about.

First of all, it wasn't a mirror matchup and winner takes it all prize allocation.
Secondly, it requires more skill than proxy gates and dt rush.

How does bunker rush take more skill then proxy gate? You're right about the wta format though.

Bunker rushing strategies requires good micro and knowing of timings to be effective. If proxy gate or dt rush wasn't scouted by the opponent, it's an auto win.

I don't think you know what you're talking about tbh. Dt rush is auto loss if its scouted I suppose, but so is bunker rush really.

You haven't seen / played enough BW games. The same could be said about me and SC2, but the point is still valid.

I've seen "scouted" bunker rushes succeeding because Terran player had a superior micro (Flash, Fanta, FBH, Midas / Nada) and I've seen "unscouted" bunker rushes failing (almost every tier 2 terran against S-Class zerg at some point)
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
jasonbratz
Profile Joined March 2014
2 Posts
March 16 2014 16:58 GMT
#2328
Disappointing final . I enjoyed WOL more than HOTS . At least mass BC got archon toilet still better than 2 gate proxy.
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
March 16 2014 16:59 GMT
#2329
On March 17 2014 01:58 jasonbratz wrote:
Disappointing final . I enjoyed WOL more than HOTS . At least mass BC got archon toilet still better than 2 gate proxy.


Yes proxy 2 gate is a HOTS strat.
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
jojos11
Profile Joined March 2014
Korea (North)314 Posts
March 16 2014 17:00 GMT
#2330
On March 17 2014 01:47 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 01:44 covetousrat wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:40 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:32 bo1b wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:28 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:19 bo1b wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:18 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:14 virpi wrote:
The games might not have been entertaining, but seriously, there have lots and lots of similar finals in the past. Remember the cheesefests in broodwar?

There wasn't something like these finals in BW yet. And it will never be.

lol what, triple bunker rush?

You don't know what you're speaking about.

First of all, it wasn't a mirror matchup and winner takes it all prize allocation.
Secondly, it requires more skill than proxy gates and dt rush.

How does bunker rush take more skill then proxy gate? You're right about the wta format though.

Bunker rushing strategies require good micro and knowing of timings to be effective. If proxy gate or dt rush wasn't scouted by the opponent, it's an auto win.


Nope. Ask parting

About what? Show me the VODs where Parting's opponent proxy gated / dt rushed, didn't get scouted and then proceed to lose the game. Or were you talking about putting SOUL into every all-in possible?


cant seems to find match 2 anywhere, but Parting basically played like a god on that one
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
March 16 2014 17:02 GMT
#2331
On March 17 2014 02:00 jojos11 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 01:47 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:44 covetousrat wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:40 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:32 bo1b wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:28 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:19 bo1b wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:18 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:14 virpi wrote:
The games might not have been entertaining, but seriously, there have lots and lots of similar finals in the past. Remember the cheesefests in broodwar?

There wasn't something like these finals in BW yet. And it will never be.

lol what, triple bunker rush?

You don't know what you're speaking about.

First of all, it wasn't a mirror matchup and winner takes it all prize allocation.
Secondly, it requires more skill than proxy gates and dt rush.

How does bunker rush take more skill then proxy gate? You're right about the wta format though.

Bunker rushing strategies require good micro and knowing of timings to be effective. If proxy gate or dt rush wasn't scouted by the opponent, it's an auto win.


Nope. Ask parting

About what? Show me the VODs where Parting's opponent proxy gated / dt rushed, didn't get scouted and then proceed to lose the game. Or were you talking about putting SOUL into every all-in possible?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAFgA3f1kpM&
cant seems to find match 2 anywhere, but Parting basically played like a god on that one

Every GSL Game 1 is free on Youtube, the rest is paywalled on Twitch.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
March 16 2014 17:03 GMT
#2332
sOs!!! gotta watch the VODs! Congrats! Knew he could do it!
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
March 16 2014 17:03 GMT
#2333
On March 17 2014 02:00 jojos11 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 01:47 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:44 covetousrat wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:40 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:32 bo1b wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:28 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:19 bo1b wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:18 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:14 virpi wrote:
The games might not have been entertaining, but seriously, there have lots and lots of similar finals in the past. Remember the cheesefests in broodwar?

There wasn't something like these finals in BW yet. And it will never be.

lol what, triple bunker rush?

You don't know what you're speaking about.

First of all, it wasn't a mirror matchup and winner takes it all prize allocation.
Secondly, it requires more skill than proxy gates and dt rush.

How does bunker rush take more skill then proxy gate? You're right about the wta format though.

Bunker rushing strategies require good micro and knowing of timings to be effective. If proxy gate or dt rush wasn't scouted by the opponent, it's an auto win.


Nope. Ask parting

About what? Show me the VODs where Parting's opponent proxy gated / dt rushed, didn't get scouted and then proceed to lose the game. Or were you talking about putting SOUL into every all-in possible?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAFgA3f1kpM&
cant seems to find match 2 anywhere, but Parting basically played like a god on that one

Can only see the first game of each match without a GSL subscription.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
March 16 2014 17:03 GMT
#2334
herO still smiling

Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34172 Posts
March 16 2014 17:03 GMT
#2335
CSGO finals where bad too, NiP dint even play them... Dont come here saying that the finals are only bad onSC2, even on Dota 2 some finals are bad
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-16 17:06:28
March 16 2014 17:04 GMT
#2336
On March 17 2014 01:58 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 01:51 bo1b wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:40 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:32 bo1b wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:28 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:19 bo1b wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:18 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:14 virpi wrote:
The games might not have been entertaining, but seriously, there have lots and lots of similar finals in the past. Remember the cheesefests in broodwar?

There wasn't something like these finals in BW yet. And it will never be.

lol what, triple bunker rush?

You don't know what you're speaking about.

First of all, it wasn't a mirror matchup and winner takes it all prize allocation.
Secondly, it requires more skill than proxy gates and dt rush.

How does bunker rush take more skill then proxy gate? You're right about the wta format though.

Bunker rushing strategies requires good micro and knowing of timings to be effective. If proxy gate or dt rush wasn't scouted by the opponent, it's an auto win.

I don't think you know what you're talking about tbh. Dt rush is auto loss if its scouted I suppose, but so is bunker rush really.

You haven't seen / played enough BW games. The same could be said about me and SC2, but the point is still valid.

I've seen "scouted" bunker rushes succeeding because Terran player had a superior micro (Flash, Fanta, FBH, Midas) and I've seen "unscouted" bunker rushes failing (almost every tier 2 terran against S-Class zerg)

I watched bw from like 2009 onwards, and everything you just said applies to sc2 as well. Proxy gates is a bit of a special case since it is far easier to defend when scouted, but that doesn't mean it's skill less.

Before I was disgusted by the protoss race, I would do almost nothing but cheese with it, and the micro required while not zerglings vs widowmines level is still probably as high as a bunker rush.

Apart from that, back when huk was still really fucking good, there were games where people would in base proxy 2 gate him and he wouldn't notice, and then he'd win anyway.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
March 16 2014 17:05 GMT
#2337
On March 17 2014 02:03 Musicus wrote:
herO still smiling

https://twitter.com/ESLJulia/status/445241725389242369

Oh that's awesome I hoped he wouldn't be too sad. Maybe he will get his revenge in GSL?
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
GizmoPT
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal3040 Posts
March 16 2014 17:06 GMT
#2338
On March 17 2014 02:03 Faruko wrote:
CSGO finals where bad too, NiP dint even play them... Dont come here saying that the finals are only bad onSC2, even on Dota 2 some finals are bad


ye tbh the CS:GO finals were good just because the home guys won. NiP played like crap.
Snipers Promod & Micro Arena Creator in SC2 Arcade - Portuguese Community Admin for SC2, HotS and Overwatch - Ex-Portugal SC2 Team Manager, Ex- Copenhagen Wolves and Grow uP Gaming Manager in SC2. Just Playing games now!
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
March 16 2014 17:09 GMT
#2339
On March 17 2014 02:03 Faruko wrote:
CSGO finals where bad too, NiP dint even play them... Dont come here saying that the finals are only bad onSC2, even on Dota 2 some finals are bad


There isn't a sport or a game that doesn't have its fair share of bad finals.
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
March 16 2014 17:09 GMT
#2340
On March 17 2014 02:05 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 02:03 Musicus wrote:
herO still smiling

https://twitter.com/ESLJulia/status/445241725389242369

Oh that's awesome I hoped he wouldn't be too sad. Maybe he will get his revenge in GSL?

The tournament also awarded WCS points and some glory to his name, so it's not like he got nothing.
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