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GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
March 16 2014 16:28 GMT
#2221
Damn sOs another 100k
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
KaiserJohan
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1808 Posts
March 16 2014 16:28 GMT
#2222
On March 17 2014 01:19 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 01:14 Nomzter wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:14 TotalBiscuit wrote:
The winner takes all gamble was a disaster. Let's never do that again.

Why?


Let me count the ways.

1) Players should actually get paid for their work and their achievements. Winner takes all is the complete antithesis of that. The least player friendly format you can possibly have

2) Running a winner takes all tournament during a period of noted imbalance is a sure fire way to piss off the viewers and rile people up.

3) Winner takes all tournament with single elimination format. The mind boggles.

4) This whole thing was a viewership gamble by ESL. It was contrary to Carmacs own thoughts on sustainability and the eSports "middle class", even if it was just a one off. The gamble didn't pay off. Viewership spiked in the finals for all of the 20 minutes it took for those finals to end. There was literally more downtime than games and it left everyone with a sour taste in their mouths. The viewership during the actual event was often lower than Cologne, which doesn't make a huge amount of sense to me, but whatever the case, the purpose of the winner takes all was to drive viewership and it failed to do that. If it had succeeded, I'd get behind it, sometimes viewership is more important even for the players and the teams, that exposure, that sponsorship ROI, super important (though not that ESL did anything to help that really since they're not even using team logos in Gameheart let alone the sponsor overlays), but in this case since it didn't achieve that objective either I'd consider it a failure.

SC2 is in a fragile state and in order to make sure it can be sustained, we need tournaments that use fair, sustainable models. ESL said this was a one off, I hope it remains a one off.


People always complain about imbalance.
Single elim is more exciting to watch.
If it wasnt such a shitty finals, I'm sure would voicing their opinions here would do a 180. It's unfortunate we didn't get a TvZ finals.
England will fight to the last American
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-16 16:34:43
March 16 2014 16:28 GMT
#2223
On March 17 2014 01:19 bo1b wrote:
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On March 17 2014 01:18 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:14 virpi wrote:
The games might not have been entertaining, but seriously, there have lots and lots of similar finals in the past. Remember the cheesefests in broodwar?

There wasn't something like these finals in BW yet. And it will never be.

lol what, triple bunker rush?

You don't know what you're speaking about.

First of all, it wasn't a mirror matchup and winner takes it all final prize allocation.
Secondly, it requires more skill than proxy gates and dt rush.
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
Tamagoshi
Profile Joined September 2012
Brazil981 Posts
March 16 2014 16:29 GMT
#2224
On March 17 2014 01:27 Drake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 01:26 sharkie wrote:
So players didn't like WTA, fans didn't like WTA.
IEM only gets bad reputation, good job IEM? haha


dont say players and fans
there was players liking it
i liking it too (first kor vs kor final i watched since 2011)

so plz dont generalize !

Well, I bet sOs sure liked the format
RookUK
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
United Kingdom283 Posts
March 16 2014 16:29 GMT
#2225
Great tournament, great finals, no complaints.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10139 Posts
March 16 2014 16:29 GMT
#2226
I am amazed, i didn't know there were LoL players more awkward than sc2 players.
Snake.69
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada140 Posts
March 16 2014 16:29 GMT
#2227
Them soundproof booths for sure stopped the cheeses. With 100k on the lines and a huge crowd, these guys didnt seem scared that their opponent would hear that they are proxying.. Hmmz... I guess some ppl have sharper sense than others.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
March 16 2014 16:29 GMT
#2228
On March 17 2014 01:28 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 01:23 Ragnarork wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:14 TotalBiscuit wrote:
The winner takes all gamble was a disaster. Let's never do that again. 4 days of wins for herO pissed down the drain in 20 minutes of the worst final in history, jesus.


Though I feel really bad for herO (and I was cheering for him), and though this final was by many standards quite poor (though not by the series planning one, sOs played that really well), I still think it was something to try out once. And I think this is the reason for which we got so many awesome games in the bracket, but in the current metagame with a lot of protoss, that could also lead (and it did) to such a final. So I wouldn't call that a disaster, but rather an experience with its drawbacks and its advantages.

Because let's be honest. It's a shame, but if you want people to give it all, you got to put a lot of money on the table. Make it this "allin-ish", and you'll get some of the best SC2.

I'm totally not in favor of doing this often, though. Once a year could be a good frequency.


IEM cologne games were just as good imo and a better final. Players will try just as hard for 40k as for 100k.


This guy right here gets it. Huge diminishing returns on grand prize after a certain point and it's a far lower threshold than this.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Saumure
Profile Joined February 2012
France404 Posts
March 16 2014 16:30 GMT
#2229
cmon guys, do not blame it on "winner takes it all". It just sucked damn hard because of mirror
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
March 16 2014 16:30 GMT
#2230
On March 17 2014 01:25 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 01:23 DamageControL wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:23 Darkhorse wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:22 Koesader wrote:
$O$ is the new Sniper T_T

Nah not really. He didn't make any girls cry or call out terrans for being entitled on his way to the top.

who'd sniper make cry?

eve
He has no soul.


Leenock beat girl and made girl smile and laugh. The Leenock difference.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
March 16 2014 16:30 GMT
#2231
On March 17 2014 01:29 Godwrath wrote:
I am amazed, i didn't know there were LoL players more awkward than sc2 players.


Genja's a Ruskie who barely speaks any English at all

Most of the people are fairly wellspoken, with some exceptions. It's more or less the same kind of people.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
DaedricTV
Profile Joined February 2014
United Kingdom94 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-16 16:31:00
March 16 2014 16:30 GMT
#2232
On March 17 2014 01:29 Snake.69 wrote:Them soundproof booths for sure stopped the cheeses.


On the LoL stream yesterday, in the winner interview, one of the teams mentioned they could hear the crowd when they were in the booth.

Just saying.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
March 16 2014 16:30 GMT
#2233
On March 17 2014 01:30 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 01:25 Godwrath wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:23 DamageControL wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:23 Darkhorse wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:22 Koesader wrote:
$O$ is the new Sniper T_T

Nah not really. He didn't make any girls cry or call out terrans for being entitled on his way to the top.

who'd sniper make cry?

eve
He has no soul.


Leenock beat girl and made girl smile and laugh. The Leenock difference.

Leenock much cuter.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
March 16 2014 16:30 GMT
#2234
On March 17 2014 01:28 KaiserJohan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 01:19 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:14 Nomzter wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:14 TotalBiscuit wrote:
The winner takes all gamble was a disaster. Let's never do that again.

Why?


Let me count the ways.

1) Players should actually get paid for their work and their achievements. Winner takes all is the complete antithesis of that. The least player friendly format you can possibly have

2) Running a winner takes all tournament during a period of noted imbalance is a sure fire way to piss off the viewers and rile people up.

3) Winner takes all tournament with single elimination format. The mind boggles.

4) This whole thing was a viewership gamble by ESL. It was contrary to Carmacs own thoughts on sustainability and the eSports "middle class", even if it was just a one off. The gamble didn't pay off. Viewership spiked in the finals for all of the 20 minutes it took for those finals to end. There was literally more downtime than games and it left everyone with a sour taste in their mouths. The viewership during the actual event was often lower than Cologne, which doesn't make a huge amount of sense to me, but whatever the case, the purpose of the winner takes all was to drive viewership and it failed to do that. If it had succeeded, I'd get behind it, sometimes viewership is more important even for the players and the teams, that exposure, that sponsorship ROI, super important (though not that ESL did anything to help that really since they're not even using team logos in Gameheart let alone the sponsor overlays), but in this case since it didn't achieve that objective either I'd consider it a failure.

SC2 is in a fragile state and in order to make sure it can be sustained, we need tournaments that use fair, sustainable models. ESL said this was a one off, I hope it remains a one off.


People always complain about imbalance.
Single elim is more exciting to watch.
If it wasnt such a shitty finals, I'm sure would voicing their opinions here would do a 180. It's unfortunate we didn't get a TvZ finals.


None of that addresses why TB said it was a bad format.
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MysticaL
Profile Joined December 2003
Canada118 Posts
March 16 2014 16:30 GMT
#2235
- Good Ro8/Ro4
- Bad finals
- Top 3 should earn money
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
March 16 2014 16:31 GMT
#2236
On March 17 2014 01:29 Godwrath wrote:
I am amazed, i didn't know there were LoL players more awkward than sc2 players.


Our SC2 players are starting to get a bit older, and a bit more used to being in the spotlight.
LoL is still full of really young kids that have no idea how to act in public.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
kudlaty_true
Profile Joined November 2009
Poland158 Posts
March 16 2014 16:31 GMT
#2237
I haven't watched starcraft in a while now, only to see todays games and this is what I got.
These are everything what is wrong with the game in a nutshell, basically.
asongdotnet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States1060 Posts
March 16 2014 16:31 GMT
#2238
the only saving grace of a pvp finals is an early finish
Xinzoe
Profile Joined January 2014
Korea (South)2373 Posts
March 16 2014 16:31 GMT
#2239
well this finals. sOs basically earned 65$ per second
Nibbler89
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
884 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-16 16:32:09
March 16 2014 16:31 GMT
#2240
For all you guys dissapointed you should really try LoL, used to play sc2 at high masters level and eventually got sick of the game(terran player, switched to protoss but just didn't find it fun even though I was winning more), at first like most I thought of LoL as boring / casual but once you get into it its pretty fun. The tournaments are fun to watch too once you understand the game .
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