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[WCS EU] Challenger Day 4 Season 1 2014 - Page 12

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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
February 04 2014 21:29 GMT
#221
On February 05 2014 06:26 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 06:22 Heartland wrote:
On February 05 2014 06:22 Squat wrote:
On February 05 2014 06:19 Heartland wrote:
On February 05 2014 06:18 Squat wrote:
On February 05 2014 06:12 Heartland wrote:
I looked away, hos is dayshi ahead in supply?

It was an over-extension, but normally zerg will be ahead in supply in the early game, terran will be ahead in the mid game and then both players should be close to max in the late game before major engagements. Supply swings very wildly in this match up, zerg can be down 20+ supply and still be just fine. It's all about hitting injects and upgrades.


I thought Zerg was always naturally ahead in supply even in the mid-game. Thanks.

Extremely cheap bio and lings and banes only being 0.5 supply means terran will almost always be ahead. If you see a zerg with 20ish more supply, similar upgrades and the standard 1 base up with muta/ling vs bio, he is in a great spot. Scarlett often takes a late third and prioritizes upgrades, I've see her fight back from 40 supply deficits and win against Korean terrans.


You're not referring to that Bomber game, are you?

No, she's done it in fairly standard macro games. Watch the game vs Dream on Polar Night. Idra's commentary makes it even better. I really think Zerg can do some crazy shit vs bio with smaller forces, but it is EXTREMELY hard and requires perfect control. I just love this match up, it's so hard and rewards truly great players so well.


Okay, thanks.
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14463 Posts
February 04 2014 21:29 GMT
#222
On February 05 2014 06:26 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 06:22 Heartland wrote:
On February 05 2014 06:22 Squat wrote:
On February 05 2014 06:19 Heartland wrote:
On February 05 2014 06:18 Squat wrote:
On February 05 2014 06:12 Heartland wrote:
I looked away, hos is dayshi ahead in supply?

It was an over-extension, but normally zerg will be ahead in supply in the early game, terran will be ahead in the mid game and then both players should be close to max in the late game before major engagements. Supply swings very wildly in this match up, zerg can be down 20+ supply and still be just fine. It's all about hitting injects and upgrades.


I thought Zerg was always naturally ahead in supply even in the mid-game. Thanks.

Extremely cheap bio and lings and banes only being 0.5 supply means terran will almost always be ahead. If you see a zerg with 20ish more supply, similar upgrades and the standard 1 base up with muta/ling vs bio, he is in a great spot. Scarlett often takes a late third and prioritizes upgrades, I've see her fight back from 40 supply deficits and win against Korean terrans.


You're not referring to that Bomber game, are you?

No, she's done it in fairly standard macro games. Watch the game vs Dream on Polar Night. Idra's commentary makes it even better. I really think Zerg can do some crazy shit vs bio with smaller forces, but it is EXTREMELY hard and requires perfect control. I just love this match up, it's so hard and rewards truly great players so well.

Are you refering to that game during ATC final ? If yes it was on Red City, if no I apologize.

Dayshi is a beast in TvZ, he 3-0 FireCake yesterday.
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
Ace Frehley
Profile Joined December 2012
2030 Posts
February 04 2014 21:31 GMT
#223
If Dayshi's other matchups were as good as his TvZ, he could do some damage and make a splash in tournaments
...
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-04 21:32:42
February 04 2014 21:31 GMT
#224
Please for the better of your tournament Blizzard, either use GameHeart or atleast copy the features already.
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-04 21:33:12
February 04 2014 21:32 GMT
#225
man hope hating his mutas is what loses him here. and he kind of engages strangely he sends mutas in first, and then he comes in with his lings most of the time.
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
February 04 2014 21:33 GMT
#226
On February 05 2014 06:29 Aeromi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 06:26 Squat wrote:
On February 05 2014 06:22 Heartland wrote:
On February 05 2014 06:22 Squat wrote:
On February 05 2014 06:19 Heartland wrote:
On February 05 2014 06:18 Squat wrote:
On February 05 2014 06:12 Heartland wrote:
I looked away, hos is dayshi ahead in supply?

It was an over-extension, but normally zerg will be ahead in supply in the early game, terran will be ahead in the mid game and then both players should be close to max in the late game before major engagements. Supply swings very wildly in this match up, zerg can be down 20+ supply and still be just fine. It's all about hitting injects and upgrades.


I thought Zerg was always naturally ahead in supply even in the mid-game. Thanks.

Extremely cheap bio and lings and banes only being 0.5 supply means terran will almost always be ahead. If you see a zerg with 20ish more supply, similar upgrades and the standard 1 base up with muta/ling vs bio, he is in a great spot. Scarlett often takes a late third and prioritizes upgrades, I've see her fight back from 40 supply deficits and win against Korean terrans.


You're not referring to that Bomber game, are you?

No, she's done it in fairly standard macro games. Watch the game vs Dream on Polar Night. Idra's commentary makes it even better. I really think Zerg can do some crazy shit vs bio with smaller forces, but it is EXTREMELY hard and requires perfect control. I just love this match up, it's so hard and rewards truly great players so well.

Are you refering to that game during ATC final ? If yes it was on Red City, if no I apologize.

Dayshi is a beast in TvZ, he 3-0 FireCake yesterday.

No that was vs Ryung if I remember correctly. That was a really game good game too.

Here is is. First game. Third game was pretty good too.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27406 Posts
February 04 2014 21:35 GMT
#227
Just arrived in, this seems pretty entertaining thus far
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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fezvez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France3021 Posts
February 04 2014 21:36 GMT
#228
Fuck, TvZ is really the heart and soul of Starcraft II

They may not be the tip top players, but they are still showing us an awesome game
Niko_Thien
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany2671 Posts
February 04 2014 21:37 GMT
#229
On February 05 2014 06:31 NovaMB wrote:
Please for the better of your tournament Blizzard, either use GameHeart or atleast copy the features already.

So much this! But I somehow doubt it for this season :/
@Niko_Thien on twitter!
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
February 04 2014 21:37 GMT
#230
On February 05 2014 06:35 Wombat_NI wrote:
Just arrived in, this seems pretty entertaining thus far

You missed Harstem losing 3 games to banelings. Yeah I don't know either.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
February 04 2014 21:38 GMT
#231
Great game. Shame that hope doesn't seem so up on denying bases even as he wins the fights.
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
February 04 2014 21:38 GMT
#232
On February 05 2014 06:37 Niko_Thien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 06:31 NovaMB wrote:
Please for the better of your tournament Blizzard, either use GameHeart or atleast copy the features already.

So much this! But I somehow doubt it for this season :/

Yeah, it annoys me to no end that they wont use something that improves your product by so much with so little effort. Hell its even availible as an extension mod, its literally only 2 clicks away.
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14463 Posts
February 04 2014 21:38 GMT
#233
If ForGG had Dayshi's TvZ he would be a top player.
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
Niko_Thien
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany2671 Posts
February 04 2014 21:40 GMT
#234
On February 05 2014 06:38 NovaMB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 06:37 Niko_Thien wrote:
On February 05 2014 06:31 NovaMB wrote:
Please for the better of your tournament Blizzard, either use GameHeart or atleast copy the features already.

So much this! But I somehow doubt it for this season :/

Yeah, it annoys me to no end that they wont use something that improves your product by so much with so little effort. Hell its even availible as an extension mod, its literally only 2 clicks away.

I tweeted to ESL_UK for the first playday of CL, they said sth like: "some things wont change" or some stuff like that :/
@Niko_Thien on twitter!
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
February 04 2014 21:41 GMT
#235
Did hope lose because he wasted all his banes on the PF and then didn't have the army to withstand the counterattack?
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14463 Posts
February 04 2014 21:41 GMT
#236
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
February 04 2014 21:43 GMT
#237
On February 05 2014 06:38 Aeromi wrote:
If ForGG had Dayshi's TvZ he would be a top player.


Didnt ForGG beat JD at asus?
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
February 04 2014 21:43 GMT
#238
On February 05 2014 06:38 Aeromi wrote:
If ForGG had Dayshi's TvZ he would be a top player.


In Asus ROG forGG showed brilliant TvZ superior to that of Dayshi. Personal opinion but I guess I am pretty fair about it. It used to be forGG's weak spot, but it didn't look like that in ASUS.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
February 04 2014 21:43 GMT
#239
Poll: Recommend Dayshi vs. hOpe Game 2?

Excellent Game (2)
 
67%

Good Game (1)
 
33%

Meh Game (0)
 
0%

Bad Game (0)
 
0%

3 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Dayshi vs. hOpe Game 2?

(Vote): Excellent Game
(Vote): Good Game
(Vote): Meh Game
(Vote): Bad Game

Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
February 04 2014 21:43 GMT
#240
On February 05 2014 06:40 Niko_Thien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 06:38 NovaMB wrote:
On February 05 2014 06:37 Niko_Thien wrote:
On February 05 2014 06:31 NovaMB wrote:
Please for the better of your tournament Blizzard, either use GameHeart or atleast copy the features already.

So much this! But I somehow doubt it for this season :/

Yeah, it annoys me to no end that they wont use something that improves your product by so much with so little effort. Hell its even availible as an extension mod, its literally only 2 clicks away.

I tweeted to ESL_UK for the first playday of CL, they said sth like: "some things wont change" or some stuff like that :/

Is there any sensible reason why? Is this some asinine attempt to promote the incredibly shitty standard UI? Some absurd, misguided sense of pride? Just plain stupidity? I've been trying to put myself in the shoes of a multi-billion dollar company and justify going "nu uh!", but I'm coming up blank.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
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