Hasu > Ado (not gonna watch that ) Harstem > LZ (but it will maybe be a bit hard since harstem has a hard time vs z lately, fighting ! ) Dayshi > Hope dayshi has just beat JD hope will get rekt. Verdi > Bunny (but i will be cheering for Bunny )
- HasuObs is at ~ 6.13 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 68.97 % of the time HasuObs wins and their chances go up to ~ 8.80 %. ~ 31.03 % of the time HasuObs loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.19 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Adonminus is at ~ 0.17 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 31.03 % of the time Adonminus wins and their chances go up to ~ 0.56 %. ~ 68.97 % of the time Adonminus loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.00 %.
- LiveZerg is at ~ 2.70 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 52.83 % of the time LiveZerg wins and their chances go up to ~ 5.03 %. ~ 47.17 % of the time LiveZerg loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.08 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Harstem is at ~ 3.68 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 47.17 % of the time Harstem wins and their chances go up to ~ 7.67 %. ~ 52.83 % of the time Harstem loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.13 %.
- Dayshi is at ~ 3.66 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 70.22 % of the time Dayshi wins and their chances go up to ~ 5.19 %. ~ 29.78 % of the time Dayshi loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.06 %. ------------------------------------------------- - hOpe is at ~ 1.01 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 29.78 % of the time hOpe wins and their chances go up to ~ 3.30 %. ~ 70.22 % of the time hOpe loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.03 %.
- Weak is at ~ 1.88 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 46.61 % of the time Weak wins and their chances go up to ~ 3.95 %. ~ 53.39 % of the time Weak loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.07 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Bunny is at ~ 5.82 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 53.39 % of the time Bunny wins and their chances go up to ~ 10.76 %. ~ 46.61 % of the time Bunny loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.17 %.
Indeed, Jeysen made this build known at least to the French audience. It focuses on the fact that apart from Photon Overcharge, Protoss has pretty bad anti-air early in the game (since Stalkers are weak to Prismatic Alignment). That's why the 1st Void takes care of the MsC and the 2nd unit of the remaining Stalker(s). Probes are pulled to keep the Stalkers from interfering too much with the Void as much as possible but this build is weak to fast Warpgate I guess.
What's weird is that in this game, there was a 2nd Void ray. It might have been too late of a timing.
TaKe just said (in response to Fnatic news) things in StarCraft future looks bad and that dead game is pretty much confirmed. Many teams told him they will do big budget cuts. The second statement was not that serious, the other two he was pretty serious about.
On February 05 2014 03:12 Serinox wrote: TaKe just said (in response to Fnatic news) things in StarCraft future looks bad and that dead game is pretty much confirmed. Many teams told him they will do big budget cuts. The second statement was not that serious, the other two he was pretty serious about.
If Millenium is allowed to stream WCS with aAa and O'Gaming TV, the team will not recruit a korean player.
On February 05 2014 03:12 Serinox wrote: TaKe just said (in response to Fnatic news) things in StarCraft future looks bad and that dead game is pretty much confirmed. Many teams told him they will do big budget cuts. The second statement was not that serious, the other two he was pretty serious about.
Well time will tell. I would not take it toooo seriously though TaKe is always acting a bit like a troll. On the other hand TaKe always had good connections to team officials etc. so there could be a bit of truth in it.
Maybe some teams will cut their SC2 budgets but I dont think SC2 will die.
On February 05 2014 03:12 Serinox wrote: TaKe just said (in response to Fnatic news) things in StarCraft future looks bad and that dead game is pretty much confirmed. Many teams told him they will do big budget cuts. The second statement was not that serious, the other two he was pretty serious about.
If Millenium is allowed to stream WCS with aAa and O'Gaming TV, the team will not recruit a korean player.
just one collossi would have neglected any damage from this double medivac marine attack, verdi again playing strangely and should lose this from here on.
On February 05 2014 04:33 Greendotz wrote: One small mistake and suddenly Harstem is in terrible shape D:
it was actually like 5 mistakes in a row, of course it had its roots in the first mistake but he could have saved his natural and cancelled his fourth pretty comfortably =/
On February 05 2014 05:20 Heartland wrote: I think it feels generally sloppy and low quality games. But at least there are fun compositions and with a lot of action.
Pros don't chronoboost buildings that have taken shield damage enough. Harstem is doing it this game but he was chronoing another nexus last game while all of them were producing probes.
What is with this new Korean/European fad of going for a big zealot archon midgame vs zerg? I never see it work, I just see protoss throw waves of zealots and archons at their opponent over and over again until they lose 12 minutes later. So confusing to see it everywhere and yet have so little success.
On February 05 2014 05:20 Heartland wrote: I think it feels generally sloppy and low quality games. But at least there are fun compositions and with a lot of action.
Yeh I feel that if the players are evenly matched the game is fun even if both players are RELATIVELY low skilled.
On February 05 2014 05:23 Heartland wrote: I think you'd get bored of seeing these compositions every game as well. It's just nice to see something new.
On February 05 2014 05:53 Squat wrote: So now I've watched a protoss get baneling busted all game long for 3 games. I don't know Kev.
Too few SH's for you?
LZ too good for SH, Maru-like multitasking more than enough.
Don't know if serious, but it felt like LZ was playing those games a bit more like a terran would. Constant aggression, counters and backstabs can certainly replace perfect injects if you do it right.
On February 05 2014 06:12 Heartland wrote: I looked away, hos is dayshi ahead in supply?
It was an over-extension, but normally zerg will be ahead in supply in the early game, terran will be ahead in the mid game and then both players should be close to max in the late game before major engagements. Supply swings very wildly in this match up, zerg can be down 20+ supply and still be just fine. It's all about hitting injects and upgrades.
On February 05 2014 06:12 Heartland wrote: I looked away, hos is dayshi ahead in supply?
It was an over-extension, but normally zerg will be ahead in supply in the early game, terran will be ahead in the mid game and then both players should be close to max in the late game before major engagements. Supply swings very wildly in this match up, zerg can be down 20+ supply and still be just fine. It's all about hitting injects and upgrades.
I thought Zerg was always naturally ahead in supply even in the mid-game. Thanks.
On February 05 2014 06:12 Heartland wrote: I looked away, hos is dayshi ahead in supply?
It was an over-extension, but normally zerg will be ahead in supply in the early game, terran will be ahead in the mid game and then both players should be close to max in the late game before major engagements. Supply swings very wildly in this match up, zerg can be down 20+ supply and still be just fine. It's all about hitting injects and upgrades.
I thought Zerg was always naturally ahead in supply even in the mid-game. Thanks.
Extremely cheap bio and lings and banes only being 0.5 supply means terran will almost always be ahead. If you see a zerg with 20ish more supply, similar upgrades and the standard 1 base up with muta/ling vs bio, he is in a great spot. Scarlett often takes a late third and prioritizes upgrades, I've see her fight back from 40 supply deficits and win against Korean terrans.
On February 05 2014 06:12 Heartland wrote: I looked away, hos is dayshi ahead in supply?
It was an over-extension, but normally zerg will be ahead in supply in the early game, terran will be ahead in the mid game and then both players should be close to max in the late game before major engagements. Supply swings very wildly in this match up, zerg can be down 20+ supply and still be just fine. It's all about hitting injects and upgrades.
I thought Zerg was always naturally ahead in supply even in the mid-game. Thanks.
Extremely cheap bio and lings and banes only being 0.5 supply means terran will almost always be ahead. If you see a zerg with 20ish more supply, similar upgrades and the standard 1 base up with muta/ling vs bio, he is in a great spot. Scarlett often takes a late third and prioritizes upgrades, I've see her fight back from 40 supply deficits and win against Korean terrans.
You're not referring to that Bomber game, are you?
On February 05 2014 06:12 Heartland wrote: I looked away, hos is dayshi ahead in supply?
It was an over-extension, but normally zerg will be ahead in supply in the early game, terran will be ahead in the mid game and then both players should be close to max in the late game before major engagements. Supply swings very wildly in this match up, zerg can be down 20+ supply and still be just fine. It's all about hitting injects and upgrades.
I thought Zerg was always naturally ahead in supply even in the mid-game. Thanks.
Extremely cheap bio and lings and banes only being 0.5 supply means terran will almost always be ahead. If you see a zerg with 20ish more supply, similar upgrades and the standard 1 base up with muta/ling vs bio, he is in a great spot. Scarlett often takes a late third and prioritizes upgrades, I've see her fight back from 40 supply deficits and win against Korean terrans.
You're not referring to that Bomber game, are you?
No, she's done it in fairly standard macro games. Watch the game vs Dream on Polar Night. Idra's commentary makes it even better. I really think Zerg can do some crazy shit vs bio with smaller forces, but it is EXTREMELY hard and requires perfect control. I just love this match up, it's so hard and rewards truly great players so well.
On February 05 2014 06:12 Heartland wrote: I looked away, hos is dayshi ahead in supply?
It was an over-extension, but normally zerg will be ahead in supply in the early game, terran will be ahead in the mid game and then both players should be close to max in the late game before major engagements. Supply swings very wildly in this match up, zerg can be down 20+ supply and still be just fine. It's all about hitting injects and upgrades.
I thought Zerg was always naturally ahead in supply even in the mid-game. Thanks.
Extremely cheap bio and lings and banes only being 0.5 supply means terran will almost always be ahead. If you see a zerg with 20ish more supply, similar upgrades and the standard 1 base up with muta/ling vs bio, he is in a great spot. Scarlett often takes a late third and prioritizes upgrades, I've see her fight back from 40 supply deficits and win against Korean terrans.
You're not referring to that Bomber game, are you?
No, she's done it in fairly standard macro games. Watch the game vs Dream on Polar Night. Idra's commentary makes it even better. I really think Zerg can do some crazy shit vs bio with smaller forces, but it is EXTREMELY hard and requires perfect control. I just love this match up, it's so hard and rewards truly great players so well.
On February 05 2014 06:12 Heartland wrote: I looked away, hos is dayshi ahead in supply?
It was an over-extension, but normally zerg will be ahead in supply in the early game, terran will be ahead in the mid game and then both players should be close to max in the late game before major engagements. Supply swings very wildly in this match up, zerg can be down 20+ supply and still be just fine. It's all about hitting injects and upgrades.
I thought Zerg was always naturally ahead in supply even in the mid-game. Thanks.
Extremely cheap bio and lings and banes only being 0.5 supply means terran will almost always be ahead. If you see a zerg with 20ish more supply, similar upgrades and the standard 1 base up with muta/ling vs bio, he is in a great spot. Scarlett often takes a late third and prioritizes upgrades, I've see her fight back from 40 supply deficits and win against Korean terrans.
You're not referring to that Bomber game, are you?
No, she's done it in fairly standard macro games. Watch the game vs Dream on Polar Night. Idra's commentary makes it even better. I really think Zerg can do some crazy shit vs bio with smaller forces, but it is EXTREMELY hard and requires perfect control. I just love this match up, it's so hard and rewards truly great players so well.
Are you refering to that game during ATC final ? If yes it was on Red City, if no I apologize.
Dayshi is a beast in TvZ, he 3-0 FireCake yesterday.
man hope hating his mutas is what loses him here. and he kind of engages strangely he sends mutas in first, and then he comes in with his lings most of the time.
On February 05 2014 06:12 Heartland wrote: I looked away, hos is dayshi ahead in supply?
It was an over-extension, but normally zerg will be ahead in supply in the early game, terran will be ahead in the mid game and then both players should be close to max in the late game before major engagements. Supply swings very wildly in this match up, zerg can be down 20+ supply and still be just fine. It's all about hitting injects and upgrades.
I thought Zerg was always naturally ahead in supply even in the mid-game. Thanks.
Extremely cheap bio and lings and banes only being 0.5 supply means terran will almost always be ahead. If you see a zerg with 20ish more supply, similar upgrades and the standard 1 base up with muta/ling vs bio, he is in a great spot. Scarlett often takes a late third and prioritizes upgrades, I've see her fight back from 40 supply deficits and win against Korean terrans.
You're not referring to that Bomber game, are you?
No, she's done it in fairly standard macro games. Watch the game vs Dream on Polar Night. Idra's commentary makes it even better. I really think Zerg can do some crazy shit vs bio with smaller forces, but it is EXTREMELY hard and requires perfect control. I just love this match up, it's so hard and rewards truly great players so well.
Are you refering to that game during ATC final ? If yes it was on Red City, if no I apologize.
Dayshi is a beast in TvZ, he 3-0 FireCake yesterday.
No that was vs Ryung if I remember correctly. That was a really game good game too.
Here is is. First game. Third game was pretty good too.
On February 05 2014 06:31 NovaMB wrote: Please for the better of your tournament Blizzard, either use GameHeart or atleast copy the features already.
So much this! But I somehow doubt it for this season :/
Yeah, it annoys me to no end that they wont use something that improves your product by so much with so little effort. Hell its even availible as an extension mod, its literally only 2 clicks away.
On February 05 2014 06:31 NovaMB wrote: Please for the better of your tournament Blizzard, either use GameHeart or atleast copy the features already.
So much this! But I somehow doubt it for this season :/
Yeah, it annoys me to no end that they wont use something that improves your product by so much with so little effort. Hell its even availible as an extension mod, its literally only 2 clicks away.
I tweeted to ESL_UK for the first playday of CL, they said sth like: "some things wont change" or some stuff like that :/
On February 05 2014 06:38 Aeromi wrote: If ForGG had Dayshi's TvZ he would be a top player.
In Asus ROG forGG showed brilliant TvZ superior to that of Dayshi. Personal opinion but I guess I am pretty fair about it. It used to be forGG's weak spot, but it didn't look like that in ASUS.
On February 05 2014 06:31 NovaMB wrote: Please for the better of your tournament Blizzard, either use GameHeart or atleast copy the features already.
So much this! But I somehow doubt it for this season :/
Yeah, it annoys me to no end that they wont use something that improves your product by so much with so little effort. Hell its even availible as an extension mod, its literally only 2 clicks away.
I tweeted to ESL_UK for the first playday of CL, they said sth like: "some things wont change" or some stuff like that :/
Is there any sensible reason why? Is this some asinine attempt to promote the incredibly shitty standard UI? Some absurd, misguided sense of pride? Just plain stupidity? I've been trying to put myself in the shoes of a multi-billion dollar company and justify going "nu uh!", but I'm coming up blank.
On February 05 2014 06:38 Aeromi wrote: If ForGG had Dayshi's TvZ he would be a top player.
In Asus ROG forGG showed brilliant TvZ superior to that of Dayshi. Personal opinion but I guess I am pretty fair about it. It used to be forGG's weak spot, but it didn't look like that in ASUS.
On February 05 2014 06:31 NovaMB wrote: Please for the better of your tournament Blizzard, either use GameHeart or atleast copy the features already.
So much this! But I somehow doubt it for this season :/
Yeah, it annoys me to no end that they wont use something that improves your product by so much with so little effort. Hell its even availible as an extension mod, its literally only 2 clicks away.
I tweeted to ESL_UK for the first playday of CL, they said sth like: "some things wont change" or some stuff like that :/
Is there any sensible reason why? Is this some asinine attempt to promote the incredibly shitty standard UI? Some absurd, misguided sense of pride? Just plain stupidity? I've been trying to put myself in the shoes of a multi-billion dollar company and justify going "nu uh!", but I'm coming up blank.
The only thing I can imagine that it isnt directly from Blizzard, therefore they are not using it. That would be stupid, but everything makes even less sense.
On February 05 2014 06:41 Heartland wrote: Did hope lose because he wasted all his banes on the PF and then didn't have the army to withstand the counterattack?
Short version: Kind of. Long version: Yes, trading banes for SCVs and PFs in the later stages of the game is usually a bad idea unless solidly ahead. Overall Dayshi just had better positioning and micro, and Hope was not frugal enough with his mutas. Over-aggression with mutas is the best way to lose ZvT very quickly.
On February 05 2014 06:41 Heartland wrote: Did hope lose because he wasted all his banes on the PF and then didn't have the army to withstand the counterattack?
Short version: Kind of. Long version: Yes, trading banes for SCVs and PFs in the later stages of the game is usually a bad idea unless solidly ahead. Overall Dayshi just had better positioning and micro, and Hope was not frugal enough with his mutas. Over-aggression with mutas is the best way to lose ZvT very quickly.
On February 05 2014 06:41 Heartland wrote: Did hope lose because he wasted all his banes on the PF and then didn't have the army to withstand the counterattack?
Short version: Kind of. Long version: Yes, trading banes for SCVs and PFs in the later stages of the game is usually a bad idea unless solidly ahead. Overall Dayshi just had better positioning and micro, and Hope was not frugal enough with his mutas. Over-aggression with mutas is the best way to lose ZvT very quickly.
Yeah, it just seems like one of those times when it's pretty clear. If a Zerg bombs 20-30 banelings on a PF and a Terran counterattacks straight away then Zerg will probably have a bad time if micro, positioning and eco is otherwise relatively equal.
Still i thought it was a pretty cool move to bomb the pf. hOpe knew that Dayshi didn't have much more than one mining base at this point, apart form the one he took out.
On February 05 2014 06:51 BaneRiders wrote: Still i thought it was a pretty cool move to bomb the pf. hOpe knew that Dayshi didn't have much more than one mining base at this point, apart form the one he took out.
The thing, usually the PF will be at the fourth, meaning terran will have 3 orbitals available. With triple mule, losing even 15+ SCVs isn't a very big deal, and you will typically be mined out or close to it in your main at this point, so you can float your main CC, or simply have extras which many terrans make. It looks awesome, but more often than not, you just traded hundreds of gas for a brief mining interruption.
Also, Dayshi is completely outplaying Hope here, his engagements and control are just superior.
On February 05 2014 07:09 Wombat_NI wrote: Do any European Ts have better TvZ than Dayshi or am I just fortunate with the games of his that I get to catch? He looks damn strong in the matchup
He has the better TvZ in Europe, maybe the best foreign TvZ.
On February 05 2014 07:09 Wombat_NI wrote: Do any European Ts have better TvZ than Dayshi or am I just fortunate with the games of his that I get to catch? He looks damn strong in the matchup
He has the best bio TvZ by miles, maybe the best outside Korea. Some terrans have better mech, but Dayshi hates playing mech so it's hardly surprising. He is one of few foreigners to have unlocked the ancient, secret art of multitasking.
On February 05 2014 07:09 Wombat_NI wrote: Do any European Ts have better TvZ than Dayshi or am I just fortunate with the games of his that I get to catch? He looks damn strong in the matchup
He has the better TvZ in Europe, maybe the best foreign TvZ.
On February 05 2014 07:09 Wombat_NI wrote: Do any European Ts have better TvZ than Dayshi or am I just fortunate with the games of his that I get to catch? He looks damn strong in the matchup
On February 05 2014 06:51 BaneRiders wrote: Still i thought it was a pretty cool move to bomb the pf. hOpe knew that Dayshi didn't have much more than one mining base at this point, apart form the one he took out.
The thing, usually the PF will be at the fourth, meaning terran will have 3 orbitals available. With triple mule, losing even 15+ SCVs isn't a very big deal, and you will typically be mined out or close to it in your main at this point, so you can float your main CC, or simply have extras which many terrans make. It looks awesome, but more often than not, you just traded hundreds of gas for a brief mining interruption.
Yeah that makes sense of course. Well played Dayshi overall and congrats, but the busted pf remains the most stylish (even if contra productive) highlight of the match series.
Good to have more terrans in WCS EU, and hOpe, we need you in challenger season 2!
On February 05 2014 07:09 Wombat_NI wrote: Do any European Ts have better TvZ than Dayshi or am I just fortunate with the games of his that I get to catch? He looks damn strong in the matchup
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