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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36379 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-12 11:29:53
March 12 2014 11:25 GMT
#181
From reading this thread I feel that the organizers really needed to be hardline with their verification methods. Either verify or don't and trust people. If someone can't be verified, they can't play.

As for someone who is mute and can't talk through verification, there are plenty of ways to verify without voice. Streaming for a few games with a webcam works. If someone can't do any verification, too bad, they can't play.

It's like having a tournament for United States and someone saying they're a US citizen but they can't show their ID or prove in any way they are American. If the situation was related to nationality, there'd be no question, you'd not let that person play. But since it's gender, and it is so awkward to force someone to "prove" their gender, you don't want to.

I think as a tournament you need to make a decision on this. Either say anyone that claims they are female can play and trust that, or verify everyone and don't be ashamed about it. Otherwise you get this situation afterwards and it's awful for everyone involved.

I'd like to say that I am sympathetic to not wanting to show your face or voice if you're a female but if you want to participate in a high-exposure tournament, that is something you'll have to choose. It is a matter of scale, if you participate in a live LAN it's entirely unreasonable to say to them "I won't play unless you don't show me on camera" because its critical to their event. And being female AND verified is critical to this event, so in my opinion you just need to verify everyone for sure. If they can't, that's too bad, and you'll just have to live with that person not playing in the tour.
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litlnoobs
Profile Joined January 2013
United States8 Posts
March 12 2014 14:16 GMT
#182
Yeah, be as tough as WCS is with their regional tournaments.
Thalandros
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Netherlands1151 Posts
March 12 2014 14:37 GMT
#183
On March 12 2014 20:25 Hot_Bid wrote:
From reading this thread I feel that the organizers really needed to be hardline with their verification methods. Either verify or don't and trust people. If someone can't be verified, they can't play.

As for someone who is mute and can't talk through verification, there are plenty of ways to verify without voice. Streaming for a few games with a webcam works. If someone can't do any verification, too bad, they can't play.

It's like having a tournament for United States and someone saying they're a US citizen but they can't show their ID or prove in any way they are American. If the situation was related to nationality, there'd be no question, you'd not let that person play. But since it's gender, and it is so awkward to force someone to "prove" their gender, you don't want to.

I think as a tournament you need to make a decision on this. Either say anyone that claims they are female can play and trust that, or verify everyone and don't be ashamed about it. Otherwise you get this situation afterwards and it's awful for everyone involved.

I'd like to say that I am sympathetic to not wanting to show your face or voice if you're a female but if you want to participate in a high-exposure tournament, that is something you'll have to choose. It is a matter of scale, if you participate in a live LAN it's entirely unreasonable to say to them "I won't play unless you don't show me on camera" because its critical to their event. And being female AND verified is critical to this event, so in my opinion you just need to verify everyone for sure. If they can't, that's too bad, and you'll just have to live with that person not playing in the tour.


Completely agree with you here. I think the verification should be clear, thorough but not too overcomplicated. There are MANY ways to do this and I do get when people feel cheated if not everyone got a fair ''verification process''. Please be consistent, I think that's what most people ALWAYS want. ^^
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mythandier
Profile Joined January 2011
United States828 Posts
March 12 2014 14:51 GMT
#184
On March 12 2014 20:25 Hot_Bid wrote:
From reading this thread I feel that the organizers really needed to be hardline with their verification methods. Either verify or don't and trust people. If someone can't be verified, they can't play.

As for someone who is mute and can't talk through verification, there are plenty of ways to verify without voice. Streaming for a few games with a webcam works. If someone can't do any verification, too bad, they can't play.

It's like having a tournament for United States and someone saying they're a US citizen but they can't show their ID or prove in any way they are American. If the situation was related to nationality, there'd be no question, you'd not let that person play. But since it's gender, and it is so awkward to force someone to "prove" their gender, you don't want to.

I think as a tournament you need to make a decision on this. Either say anyone that claims they are female can play and trust that, or verify everyone and don't be ashamed about it. Otherwise you get this situation afterwards and it's awful for everyone involved.

I'd like to say that I am sympathetic to not wanting to show your face or voice if you're a female but if you want to participate in a high-exposure tournament, that is something you'll have to choose. It is a matter of scale, if you participate in a live LAN it's entirely unreasonable to say to them "I won't play unless you don't show me on camera" because its critical to their event. And being female AND verified is critical to this event, so in my opinion you just need to verify everyone for sure. If they can't, that's too bad, and you'll just have to live with that person not playing in the tour.

Agree 100%. The situation could have been avoided and is fairly unfortunate. I thought this tourney was a great boost for the community and to have it's integrity questioned is really a tragedy. Hopefully they'll be able to move forward and learn from this experience.

As a side note HB -- does participation in the Maxim Gamer Girl competition count as a form of verification? ^_^
SpikeStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2095 Posts
March 12 2014 22:50 GMT
#185
i gave this settings a shot but first i get 40 fps instead of my normal 200 and then i get this pink terrain bug.
im too lazy to clear it all up so im back to standard settings.
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