On December 08 2013 13:37 ETisME wrote: Going to pub and grabbing one beer or more certainly should not be the attitude if you are going to compete on the next day. Not to mention drinking will have a negative impact onto your digestive system, it might not have caused it, it certainly made it worse in one way.
You're either 14 or have stayed home your entire life. The fact that you even suggested that having a beer or two is somehow demonstrating poor "attitude" for a starcraft game the next day is simply ridiculous. Having a beer or two over lunch or dinner is common as fuck. Unlike the exaggerated hollywood movies over which you seem to have built your misguided preconceptions about alcohol consumption, most people aren't raging alcoholics who wake up with their head dipped in a toilet bowl the next day.
um sorry but all your guesses are wrong. I am not saying drinking beer or two is poor attitude, I am saying it is poor attitude to drink just one NIGHT before the match. It's not just a Starcraft game, it's a tournament game, and him as a professional player, should be more professional about it.
I am also not saying the beer is the reason why he would get sick on the next day. I am saying drinking beer ONE NIGHT before the tournament is a poor attitude. If you have been in any sport team, your coach would have told you to stay off alcohol because of its impact on your body. It might not have been the sole cause, but it certainly contributed to his body condition. Is this such a hard concept to grasp? It's the same idea why you shouldn't eat raw seafood just one day/night before anything important.
and from the chatlog he posted, it certainly doesn't help that he didn't even bother to mention of his body condition. That is just disrespectful for TB
Demu was sick, we don't know why and the cause of it. He actually tried go through the series. It's unfortunate, but I only see victims here. The bad guy here is Major. Lag is bad, makes you play like sjow and such. Everyone knows that.
But everyone knows that you can play with lag anyways. The korean players even have special tactics (cheeses, compositions) to play under lag conditions in EU/NA servers.
Forfeiting Major would lost anyway, then why don't go for it and see what happens? Lack of consideration.
I came over from the ASUS ROG tournament which was heavily delayed by technical difficulties and ddos bullshit, just to see that shoutcraft had the worst case scenario for their day1. It doesn't really matter why major and demuslim forfeited their matches because the guy who pays for their half-arsed motivation is TB. The worst that could happen to demu would be the kick from EG but if he really felt sick and someone of the EG staff could confirm it, then he is fine. His streaming viewers are quite high which means that he is still a money machine for EG. TB on the other hand confirmed that the last shoutcraft wasn't a win for them and it was quite brave to go out and make another one in the hopes of earning money for axiom. And then this happens. Scarlett is a viewer-magnet, so it was a good decision to postpone her match. We wanna see her on high level as usual! The other matches were good too. I loved the matchups but I missed Kane (my second favorite in the brackets) due to ASUS ROG and the other two got forfeited anyway. I feel so sry for TB. Sry, sry, sry. I'm quite excited though what he will write on his blog after this tournament is over.
On December 08 2013 13:37 ETisME wrote: Going to pub and grabbing one beer or more certainly should not be the attitude if you are going to compete on the next day. Not to mention drinking will have a negative impact onto your digestive system, it might not have caused it, it certainly made it worse in one way.
You're either 14 or have stayed home your entire life. The fact that you even suggested that having a beer or two is somehow demonstrating poor "attitude" for a starcraft game the next day is simply ridiculous. Having a beer or two over lunch or dinner is common as fuck. Unlike the exaggerated hollywood movies over which you seem to have built your misguided preconceptions about alcohol consumption, most people aren't raging alcoholics who wake up with their head dipped in a toilet bowl the next day.
um sorry but all your guesses are wrong. I am not saying drinking beer or two is poor attitude, I am saying it is poor attitude to drink just one NIGHT before the match. It's not just a Starcraft game, it's a tournament game, and him as a professional player, should be more professional about it.
I am also not saying the beer is the reason why he would get sick on the next day. I am saying drinking beer ONE NIGHT before the tournament is a poor attitude. If you have been in any sport team, your coach would have told you to stay off alcohol because of its impact on your body. It might not have been the sole cause, but it certainly contributed to his body condition. Is this such a hard concept to grasp? It's the same idea why you shouldn't eat raw seafood just one day/night before anything important.
and from the chatlog he posted, it certainly doesn't help that he didn't even bother to mention of his body condition. That is just disrespectful for TB
On December 08 2013 13:37 ETisME wrote: Going to pub and grabbing one beer or more certainly should not be the attitude if you are going to compete on the next day. Not to mention drinking will have a negative impact onto your digestive system, it might not have caused it, it certainly made it worse in one way.
You're either 14 or have stayed home your entire life. The fact that you even suggested that having a beer or two is somehow demonstrating poor "attitude" for a starcraft game the next day is simply ridiculous. Having a beer or two over lunch or dinner is common as fuck. Unlike the exaggerated hollywood movies over which you seem to have built your misguided preconceptions about alcohol consumption, most people aren't raging alcoholics who wake up with their head dipped in a toilet bowl the next day.
um sorry but all your guesses are wrong. I am not saying drinking beer or two is poor attitude, I am saying it is poor attitude to drink just one NIGHT before the match. It's not just a Starcraft game, it's a tournament game, and him as a professional player, should be more professional about it.
I am also not saying the beer is the reason why he would get sick on the next day. I am saying drinking beer ONE NIGHT before the tournament is a poor attitude. If you have been in any sport team, your coach would have told you to stay off alcohol because of its impact on your body. It might not have been the sole cause, but it certainly contributed to his body condition. Is this such a hard concept to grasp? It's the same idea why you shouldn't eat raw seafood just one day/night before anything important.
and from the chatlog he posted, it certainly doesn't help that he didn't even bother to mention of his body condition. That is just disrespectful for TB
hahahaha i can't tell if this is a troll or not.
because the idea of needing to take care of yourself before some important event is certainly out of your understanding. or is the idea of letting the tournament organisor know earlier so that it won't be a mess when it actually starts
On December 08 2013 13:37 ETisME wrote: Going to pub and grabbing one beer or more certainly should not be the attitude if you are going to compete on the next day. Not to mention drinking will have a negative impact onto your digestive system, it might not have caused it, it certainly made it worse in one way.
You're either 14 or have stayed home your entire life. The fact that you even suggested that having a beer or two is somehow demonstrating poor "attitude" for a starcraft game the next day is simply ridiculous. Having a beer or two over lunch or dinner is common as fuck. Unlike the exaggerated hollywood movies over which you seem to have built your misguided preconceptions about alcohol consumption, most people aren't raging alcoholics who wake up with their head dipped in a toilet bowl the next day.
um sorry but all your guesses are wrong. I am not saying drinking beer or two is poor attitude, I am saying it is poor attitude to drink just one NIGHT before the match. It's not just a Starcraft game, it's a tournament game, and him as a professional player, should be more professional about it.
I am also not saying the beer is the reason why he would get sick on the next day. I am saying drinking beer ONE NIGHT before the tournament is a poor attitude. If you have been in any sport team, your coach would have told you to stay off alcohol because of its impact on your body. It might not have been the sole cause, but it certainly contributed to his body condition. Is this such a hard concept to grasp? It's the same idea why you shouldn't eat raw seafood just one day/night before anything important.
and from the chatlog he posted, it certainly doesn't help that he didn't even bother to mention of his body condition. That is just disrespectful for TB
hahahaha i can't tell if this is a troll or not.
because the idea of needing to take care of yourself before some important event is certainly out of your understanding. or is the idea of letting the tournament organisor know earlier so that it won't be a mess when it actually starts
Hindsight is 20/20, him going out has not been proven to be connected to his illness, nor is it logical at all.
If I were having an important test the next day, I'd probably not go out. That being said, a test isn't really a good comparison with a tournament, it is most often a challenge on your memory which playing a tournament is not at all. I'd rather compare it to fx. an important business meeting. If I had an important business meeting _the next night_ I'd not feel any need to relax at home. To go out and have some fun(within limits) makes as much sense to me as relaxing.
On December 08 2013 21:28 Tiaraju9 wrote: Demu was sick, we don't know why and the cause of it. He actually tried go through the series. It's unfortunate, but I only see victims here. The bad guy here is Major. Lag is bad, makes you play like sjow and such. Everyone knows that.
But everyone knows that you can play with lag anyways. The korean players even have special tactics (cheeses, compositions) to play under lag conditions in EU/NA servers.
Forfeiting Major would lost anyway, then why don't go for it and see what happens? Lack of consideration.
From reddit:
"His first official match in months and he goes out partying the night before and posts pictures on twitter of the night..... forfeits his match cause hes hungover. Not even to mention it is shoutcraft, a total biscuit privately funded tournament. Arghh"
On December 08 2013 13:37 ETisME wrote: Even if he didn't get food poisoning from the pub, the fact that he goes to a pub, post a photo just the night before the tournament is a dumb move. Going to pub and grabbing one beer or more certainly should not be the attitude if you are going to compete on the next day. Not to mention drinking will have a negative impact onto your digestive system, it might not have caused it, it certainly made it worse in one way.
its so easy for people to say in hindsight "oh he shouldn't of gone out in all." But i'm sure he, like all other normal human beings, probably just wanted to go out with friends, have fun, and possibly have a beer or two. i don't know how its "dumb" to post a picture of you going to pub the day before an online tournament. if he had posted a video of himself getting totally hammered or something then i could see it being a dumb move, but he can't post a picture of himself going out with friends?
Um. Except he has a tournament to attain the next day? I am sure a normal human being would set his priority straight and be prepared for the match instead of posting photo of him chilling the night before a competition, especially when he is a figurehead, branded with one of the biggest esport team, then go on being ill and can't play in the tournament?
And it is dumb to post that photo because he has a tournament to play the next day. Instead of showing how hard working he is, he shows us one reason why he didn't play or didn't give all his best.
even uni students would not post them hanging out in bar the night before their final, they would post photos of how crowded the library is or the study notes all over the desk.
Is it really hard for normal people to tell their friend that he has a tournament to play tomorrow and so he should he focusing on that first?
This is super patronizing. Do people seriously think that being a pro player means devoting 100% of all of your time to preparing for a match or have this idea that if you are doing something other than practicing Starcraft that you are somehow not taking things seriously?
Here's the thing, practice the night before a match isn't going to help you that much. You make a comparison to a university final, and the two things are completely different. Taking a normal university exam is exercising your medium-term memory, that's why studying the night before helps. Starcraft doesn't test your medium or short term preparation, it tests your long term preparation. This point should be pretty obvious because players like Scarlett, Bomber, and Jaedong just demonstrated that they can travel around the globe and show good results.
A better university analogy would be to PhD qualifier exams. When I took those, I did 0 studying the weekend before the exam, because my professors specifically told me to not study-- I had spent the previous 3 months studying non-stop. It was far more important to rest my mind and get mentally prepared for this test of long-term memory. Starcraft is likely very similar where plenty of pro players will tell stories of doing things to relax before big games. After all, the work has already been done and put in. An extra 3 hours of practice isn't going to make a big difference in your play; it could possibly even hurt it. Getting yourself into a relaxed state of mind is by far the most important thing that a player can do.
In this case if Demu had a drink or two with some friends, then so what? The only thing I could potentially fault him for is if he actually threw caution to the wind and ended up getting completely drunk to the point where he would be hungover the next day; that would be something worth disapproving of. However, there is a lot of room between having a drink or two and binge drinking. I'd think that if he was sloppy drunk the night before a match, EG would take some disciplinary action because it is in their best interests to have their players in top form for matches. If Demuslim got food poisoning or some other sickness, then that is a random event unrelated to any decisions that he made and would warrant no further action.
The whole "you shouldn't have gone to a bar the night before a match" really doesn't show an understanding of what players lives are actually like or what going to a bar actually entails.
I have kept myself out of the discussion, but I just wanted to point out a few reasons why that post does not make any sense at all (as far as I understand):
1) nobody has been talking about 100% of their time, just the couple of days before a very important match
2) nobody has been demanding him grinding games till the very last second, but that he doesn't do activities that might hinder his performance in the next day. What you described in your university analogy can also be counted as proper preparation.
1) The post I was replying to was saying that he shouldn't have had a beer with friends the night before a match. I was saying this was a dumb criticism because at that point your skill level and preparation are committed because you're not going to suddenly get better the night before a match. There's historically been a lot of criticism from random community members whenever a foreign player is seen doing something other than just grinding starcraft games; I remember Incontrol talking about flak that he would receive when he talked about wanting to play games in his non-practice time.
2) There's a 95% chance he wasn't doing activities that might hinder his performance the next day. To think going to a bar 24 hours before getting sick is part some causal chain betrays a lack of understanding of going out and how alcohol works. If Demuslim only had a beer or two like a responsible person, then the only way that going out the night before can be linked to sickness is through food poisoning or through catching a stomach virus from someone he was with. Randomly getting sick and being physically unable to play your matches shouldn't be the source of a witch hunt.
On December 08 2013 13:37 ETisME wrote: Going to pub and grabbing one beer or more certainly should not be the attitude if you are going to compete on the next day. Not to mention drinking will have a negative impact onto your digestive system, it might not have caused it, it certainly made it worse in one way.
You're either 14 or have stayed home your entire life. The fact that you even suggested that having a beer or two is somehow demonstrating poor "attitude" for a starcraft game the next day is simply ridiculous. Having a beer or two over lunch or dinner is common as fuck. Unlike the exaggerated hollywood movies over which you seem to have built your misguided preconceptions about alcohol consumption, most people aren't raging alcoholics who wake up with their head dipped in a toilet bowl the next day.
um sorry but all your guesses are wrong. I am not saying drinking beer or two is poor attitude, I am saying it is poor attitude to drink just one NIGHT before the match. It's not just a Starcraft game, it's a tournament game, and him as a professional player, should be more professional about it.
I am also not saying the beer is the reason why he would get sick on the next day. I am saying drinking beer ONE NIGHT before the tournament is a poor attitude. If you have been in any sport team, your coach would have told you to stay off alcohol because of its impact on your body. It might not have been the sole cause, but it certainly contributed to his body condition. Is this such a hard concept to grasp? It's the same idea why you shouldn't eat raw seafood just one day/night before anything important.
and from the chatlog he posted, it certainly doesn't help that he didn't even bother to mention of his body condition. That is just disrespectful for TB
I know you've said that this isn't a troll post, but you are unintentionally trolling because you don't actually understand how alcohol works. Having a beer one night before a tournament game is completely normal and won't actually affect your gameplay because by the time you've driven home from the bar, the alcohol will be out of your system. As was said in a previous post, your body can process a standard drink (1 oz liquor, small glass of wine, or pint of beer) in an hour. The match was over 18 hours away from when he would have been drinking. Your point seems to be "doing anything other than grinding games the night before a tournament shows a bad attitute," and that shows a lack of understanding of how different people treat stressful situations. It's possible that going drinking could have helped him sleep better which would mean that drinking would be the responsible choice.
Unless he got completely wasted, then the only reason that the beer would have contributed to his forfeit would be through food poisoning. Once again, your analogy to raw seafood is a bad one because that usually has a giant disclaimer next to it on every menu. Getting food poisoning from something that is supposed to be safe is in no way Demuslim's fault and no one should be breaking out the pitchforks. It would be equally dumb if he went to a random diner, got food poisoning, and the community said "you shouldn't have gone to a diner, you should have known the risk of food poisoning."
Oh this is fucking perfect. Totalbiscuit sticks his neck out and puts money to try to support the NA scene, and this is what we get? 2 of the players forfeiting? How do you think the sponsor Ting might react to this?
Lag and illness? I never like those excuses. Of course it will adversely affect your play, and maybe I'm just idealistic, but I was hoping that Pro-gamers could either tough it out or try to work with tournament admins to find a better solution. Forfeiting just seems like a cop-out.
Another embarrassment for the NA scene, if you could even call it a scene.
have ranked players 9 through 100 waiting and let any who are hopeful of a player dropping out know the exact conditions.
if all top 8 players show up and play their games then these waiting players won't participate in the event. if any players ranked 9 through 100 do not like this condition then go do something other than wait for ShoutCraft America.
immediately replace Major, Demuslim, and any one else who can not fit the event in their busy schedule.
problem solved. no excuse required.
if Demuslim keeps breaking his hand or getting sick or whatever he'll just be remembered as a guy who could never get it together.
On December 09 2013 01:36 lamprey1 wrote: have ranked players 9 through 100 waiting and let any who are hopeful of a player dropping out know the exact conditions.
if all top 8 players show up and play their games then these waiting players won't participate in the event. if any players ranked 9 through 100 do not like this condition then go do something other than wait for ShoutCraft America.
immediately replace Major, Demuslim, and any one else who can not fit the event in their busy schedule.
problem solved. no excuse required.
if Demuslim keeps breaking his hand or getting sick or whatever he'll just be remembered as a guy who could never get it together.
Demuslim is already the guy who could never get it together
Stuff like this is one of the reasons I'm not in favour of a wcs region lock. I don't have faith in the foreigners level of commitment to take it seriously. They want the easy ride to free money without koreans. TB put on a great tournament just for them with no koreans and we see they still have no problem forfeiting anyways. Just imagine the level of effort they would put in with a region lock.
They would train enough to be able to beat other foreigners and would put in the exact amount of effort and work to do so and no more. Their skill level wouldn't rise. It would stagnant because they would all train to a level just good enough to beat other foreigners.
EPT
