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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
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SCST
Mexico1609 Posts
On December 08 2013 12:13 Wombat_NI wrote: Way to backseat. When will Demuslim stop getting a free pass from his fans who attribute everything to all these external things of which he has no control? Guy's a cool guy, got some talent but he needs to knuckle down, really. Perhaps he wasn't throwing up due to alcohol intake, perhaps it was entirely unrelated. Perhaps he went out to a Karaoke bar, had one drink to relax before his big tournament. Considering this community has a precedent in getting pissed with someone like Nani throwing a game when he ACTUALLY didn't have a chance to progress, the negative reaction should not come as a surprise to Demu. I'm as critical, if not more critical, of DeMuslim than anyone. Look at my post history regarding the man - I've said some pretty harsh things in regards to his tournament performance and lack of results. Nothing I said justifies being verbally attacked and with no context whatsoever. People have zero evidence to back up claims that this guy was suffering from alcohol poisoning during Shoutcraft. Being at a bar the night before is not evidence of anything. That's all I was pointing out, the stupidity of these types of assumptions. Shellshock even mentioned it several posts above. Vent your frustrations elsewhere, rather than joining in on the mindless bandwagon of shit and hate that this thread has turned into. | ||
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
On December 08 2013 12:02 DJHelium wrote: Demuslim posted a reply in a reddit thread, including some chat logs etc. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1scuq4/i_just_lost_a_lot_of_respect_for_demuslim_and/ Thanks for this link. Unfortunately it doesn't do much for DeMuslim's case, since he never explicitly says "I feel sick, I don't think I can play". His only excuse is "I gotta poop pretty bad", which is duly ignored by everyone in chat. It also sort of puts Hitman in a weird place, although he also doesn't raise objections about unfairness. He could have insisted he'd prefer to play tonight but says he's fine with anything. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27353 Posts
Yeah it's not proof of anything, but neither is to make that kind of leap of logic a mark of insanity. | ||
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SCST
Mexico1609 Posts
On December 08 2013 12:24 Wombat_NI wrote: It's not 'zero' evidence it's a case of conjecture based on the material that he himself stuck up on the internet. It's not some claim springing entirely out of the ether. Yeah it's not proof of anything, but neither is to make that kind of leap of logic a mark of insanity. It's a mark of stupidity and rage. To form any opinion based on the such a weak conjecture is telling of how emotionally invested people are in DeMuslim. I'd even venture to say that the people raging at him and stating (as fact) that he was hungover are in fact, his biggest fans. As I am not a big fan whatsoever, I have a less biased perspective. Nobody knows why he's sick, if he really is sick in the first place, or how sick he is. Nobody knows anything. That's what I stated earlier, by debunking this "evidence" of him being at a bar 16 hours earlier as being indicative of his "sickness". But apparently people don't like having their rage-boners deflated here, as I started getting shit for stating the obvious regarding the "bar evidence", which isn't evidence of anything other than him being at a bar. | ||
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
On December 08 2013 12:24 Wombat_NI wrote: It's not 'zero' evidence it's a case of conjecture based on the material that he himself stuck up on the internet. It's not some claim springing entirely out of the ether. Yeah it's not proof of anything, but neither is to make that kind of leap of logic a mark of insanity. It might not be a mark of insanity, but rather stupidity. Like someone said above, even if you are drinking the night before, your not going to be throwing up ~24 hours later. If you are going to be using that against him, it should be on the grounds of "you're not taking the tournament seriously enough, going out the night before". I honestly don't see the big deal, or atleast not the big deal as people are making it out to be. It sucks how things ended up, but it comes out worst for Demu, being out of the tournament. In that situation, I'd atleast rather have a forfeit than a Naniwa throw(not that I had anything really against it either, forfeit is just a more honest kind of throw). | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27353 Posts
Who is claiming they know what happened anyway? You're assigning labels such as ignorant or saying that folks have rage boners based on these definitive claims that people aren't making lol. | ||
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lamprey1
Canada919 Posts
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Mexico1609 Posts
On December 08 2013 12:42 Wombat_NI wrote: People, many merely saying that perhaps it's not a good idea to go out drinking prior to his best chance at good tourney exposure until WCS NA restarts = 'a mark of stupidity and rage'? Who is claiming they know what happened anyway? You're assigning labels such as ignorant or saying that folks have rage boners based on these definitive claims that people aren't making lol. Man, you've just got scroll up through this thread if you honestly don't think people are raging against DeMuslim based on the "bar evidence". Just look at the guy who blew his top and (I'm guessing) randomly insulted me for stating that the bar thing was actually not evidence of anything or indicative of "sickness". Don't know how you could say these people aren't raging with the way this thread has gone to the shitter. I mean, the guy had to make a reddit post to defend himself. That's how crazy it's gotten. | ||
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EGLzGaMeR
United States1867 Posts
On December 08 2013 11:43 Popkiller wrote: I don't care if you have to 11-11 every game and go puke between each map, you play out the damn series! Pete Sampras once vomited on the court at the US Open in the quarter finals and went on to win the damn tournament!!! This is quite the way I feel.. I have been in the competitive scene back when day9 was the best american and maybe even best non korean at the time. And let me tell you, During my first wcg national final back in 2006 day9 was there and even though he was a vet at the game he would puke and stuff between games and keep on owning. Quite the guy and fighting spirit that I admired. I think there was no reason for anyone to forfeit rather lag or not feeling there best. | ||
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Mexico1609 Posts
On December 08 2013 12:58 EGLzGaMeR wrote: This is quite the way I feel.. I have been in the competitive scene back when day9 was the best american and maybe even best non korean at the time. And let me tell you, During my first wcg national final back in 2006 day9 was there and even though he was a vet at the game he would puke and stuff between games and keep on owning. Quite the guy and fighting spirit that I admired. I think there was no reason for anyone to forfeit rather lag or not feeling there best. Good post and agreed. I feel that both Major and DeMuslim should have played it out if humanly possible. If not very, very sick or very, very laggy, those games should have been played out to the end. But it's all just speculation. Nobody knows how laggy or how sick these players were, except the players themselves. | ||
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sparklyresidue
United States5524 Posts
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ETisME
12878 Posts
Going to pub and grabbing one beer or more certainly should not be the attitude if you are going to compete on the next day. Not to mention drinking will have a negative impact onto your digestive system, it might not have caused it, it certainly made it worse in one way. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
I want people to know I try to be a gentleman, and I go by the rules. I played Scarlett in her first ever Lan tournament, I was proxy 2 raxing, and she built an evo instead of a pool. I did something very stupid, and I let her regame, in which she owned me 2-0. I make mistakes and I keep on making them, but do not think for a second I walk away from this situation the same, I wish I knew what I know now a couple of hours ago. It was really dumb of Demuslim to let her regame, but respect to him. I've done something similar before, and I won't make that mistake again, even if it seems like being a bit of a meanie  . | ||
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partydude89
1850 Posts
On December 08 2013 13:37 ETisME wrote: Even if he didn't get food poisoning from the pub, the fact that he goes to a pub, post a photo just the night before the tournament is a dumb move. Going to pub and grabbing one beer or more certainly should not be the attitude if you are going to compete on the next day. Not to mention drinking will have a negative impact onto your digestive system, it might not have caused it, it certainly made it worse in one way. its so easy for people to say in hindsight "oh he shouldn't of gone out in all." But i'm sure he, like all other normal human beings, probably just wanted to go out with friends, have fun, and possibly have a beer or two. i don't know how its "dumb" to post a picture of you going to pub the day before an online tournament. if he had posted a video of himself getting totally hammered or something then i could see it being a dumb move, but he can't post a picture of himself going out with friends? | ||
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PaeZ
Mexico1627 Posts
On December 08 2013 14:16 partydude89 wrote: its so easy for people to say in hindsight "oh he shouldn't of gone out in all." But i'm sure he, like all other normal human beings, probably just wanted to go out with friends, have fun, and possibly have a beer or two. i don't know how its "dumb" to post a picture of you going to pub the day before an online tournament. if he had posted a video of himself getting totally hammered or something then i could see it being a dumb move, but he can't post a picture of himself going out with friends? According to the double standards and hypocrisy of the internet nope you cannot | ||
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DinosaurJones
United States1000 Posts
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PaeZ
Mexico1627 Posts
On December 08 2013 14:21 DinosaurJones wrote: Ugh... I hope this does not deter TB from more ShoutCraft tournaments... he has not been having the best luck with them. AS long as tomorrow´s games are completed and we enjoy some GG´s I dont see this tournament as a failure, it is up to us the audience and the players to improve it. Look at ASUS.. Started pretty shitty but it gave us some GG¨s in the end. | ||
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Slipspace
United States381 Posts
thank god for Jaedong | ||
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ETisME
12878 Posts
On December 08 2013 14:16 partydude89 wrote: its so easy for people to say in hindsight "oh he shouldn't of gone out in all." But i'm sure he, like all other normal human beings, probably just wanted to go out with friends, have fun, and possibly have a beer or two. i don't know how its "dumb" to post a picture of you going to pub the day before an online tournament. if he had posted a video of himself getting totally hammered or something then i could see it being a dumb move, but he can't post a picture of himself going out with friends? Um. Except he has a tournament to attain the next day? I am sure a normal human being would set his priority straight and be prepared for the match instead of posting photo of him chilling the night before a competition, especially when he is a figurehead, branded with one of the biggest esport team, then go on being ill and can't play in the tournament? And it is dumb to post that photo because he has a tournament to play the next day. Instead of showing how hard working he is, he shows us one reason why he didn't play or didn't give all his best. even uni students would not post them hanging out in bar the night before their final, they would post photos of how crowded the library is or the study notes all over the desk. Is it really hard for normal people to tell their friend that he has a tournament to play tomorrow and so he should he focusing on that first? | ||
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