On December 08 2013 11:23 Wombat_NI wrote: For fuck's sake Demu.
I mean, I'm not a Twitter user, so I'm taking you guys on your word that he was posting pics of a booze-up the night before.
Wait is Twitter the only reason people thought it was a drinking thing? Because he posted one picture from a karaoke bar. That doesn't mean he is sick because he was out drinking. Could be completely unrelated.
easily could be but won't stop people from jumping to conclusions. certainly doesnt help his case
Doesn't matter if he is sick from drinking or not. For all we know he could have gotten sick from just being at the bar. However, the point is he chose to go out the night before knowing he had a tournament to play in the next day/night. He had no known prior engagements that would validate a match postponement for him unlike Scarlett. Scarlett as a professional had a known prior event to attend (that TB knew of way in advance) that ran very late into the night after playing all day throughout the finals.
If I were Demuslim knowing I don't feel well then I go and get any kind of anti nausea medicine (which can be bought over the counter at any drug store), some other medication to numb the symptoms and a bucket. You got to throw up during game? Get a pause and puke in the bucket and back to playing after getting your head cleared for a few minutes. Losing a series but playing it out is far more worthy of praise than to just quit.
On December 08 2013 11:02 SpikeStarcraft wrote: It would definetely look better PR-wise if TB would just give in and postpone the match. Even though demuslim forfeited.. im sure you can work things out.
Forfeit is still worse than delay imo.. if you have the choice.
Totally disagree, this says nothing of TB and everything of Demuslim.
I'm not talking about who's to blame. Im pretty sure that its demuslim's fault for going to a bar the day before, getting sick afterwards and thus being unable to play in the tournament.
Im talking about finding the best solution for a situation even if its not your fault. As stated i think postponing is better than forfeit.
Just a bad comparison: Northcon's organisation was an absolute mess, and its totally northcon's fault. Apparently it was so bad that Take had to drive 10 hours back and forth to get better equipment and more manpower from his homestory cup crew. He didnt say: "well you screwed up, we just have to cancel the tournament because of you", he went out of his way to fix a situation he wasnt responsible for. In the end problems got fixed (more or less) and the tournament was an enjoyable experience from the semi finals onwards with some very memorable moments.
Sometimes you just cover things up for someone else... to find a better compromise.
On December 08 2013 11:21 Darkhoarse wrote: Also if it was a drinking thing who is still sick at this time from the night before?
Sometimes (maybe one out of each four times I get really drunk) I get this insane hangover. Puke when I get home, wake up after ~4 hours of sleep and start to vomit again.
Proceed to vomit once each ~10-15 minutes for about 4 hours due to having the WORST headache. Finally I'm able to stick an aspirin (keep throwing up, no effect) and able to sleep. Sleep for ~4 more hours, feel like shit until next day.
I dunno what it is, my mum has the same so it's probably in our genes. It has become much less common this last year or two, just because I can kinda feel it coming and then stop drinking. Still happened two times this year iirc.
While I don't throw up at the evening the next day, I would for sure be in no condition to play a game against HuK!
Also, keep in mind he might've actually got sick today. Stranger things have happened, and I would prefer to give Demuslim the benefit of the doubt!
Surely the fact he played 3 of the games in full shows that he did try and play through the sickness? The fact he was at a karaoke bar last night doesn't prove anything.. he probably went out, had a couple of drinks and went home relatively early? Im just as annoyed as everyone else that he forfeited but I think we should throw the guy some benefit of doubt.. i mean, innocent until proven guilty and all that!
On December 08 2013 11:37 Vertigro wrote: Surely the fact he played 3 of the games in full shows that he did try and play through the sickness? The fact he was at a karaoke bar last night doesn't prove anything.. he probably went out, had a couple of drinks and went home relatively early? Im just as annoyed as everyone else that he forfeited but I think we should throw the guy some benefit of doubt.. i mean, innocent until proven guilty and all that!
Yeah I'm gonna go with he isn't sick because of drinking. But if you're throwing up during a game you clearly can't play.
I don't care if you have to 11-11 every game and go puke between each map, you play out the damn series! Pete Sampras once vomited on the court at the US Open in the quarter finals and went on to win the damn tournament!!!
On December 08 2013 11:02 SpikeStarcraft wrote: It would definetely look better PR-wise if TB would just give in and postpone the match. Even though demuslim forfeited.. im sure you can work things out.
Forfeit is still worse than delay imo.. if you have the choice.
Totally disagree, this says nothing of TB and everything of Demuslim.
I'm not talking about who's to blame. Im pretty sure that its demuslim's fault for going to a bar the day before, getting sick afterwards and thus being unable to play in the tournament.
Im talking about finding the best solution for a situation even if its not your fault. As stated i think postponing is better than forfeit.
Just a bad comparison: Northcon's organisation was an absolute mess, and its totally northcon's fault. Apparently it was so bad that Take had to drive 10 hours back and forth to get better equipment and more manpower from his homestory cup crew. He didnt say: "well you screwed up, we just have to cancel the tournament because of you", he went out of his way to fix a situation he wasnt responsible for. In the end problems got fixed (more or less) and the tournament was an enjoyable experience from the semi finals onwards with some very memorable moments.
Sometimes you just cover things up for someone else... to find a better compromise.
So rearrange a tournament around someones hangover? Good job Stephano quit then, tournaments would last weeks.
On December 08 2013 11:43 Popkiller wrote: I don't care if you have to 11-11 every game and go puke between each map, you play out the damn series! Pete Sampras once vomited on the court at the US Open in the quarter finals and went on to win the damn tournament!!!
because Pete Sampras loved the sport and always gave it his all
I don't know why people are surprised demu forfeited due to sickness. I don't know who claims to be sick more demu or scarlett as it seems one or both of them are sick all the time, but at least scarlett still plays through it and bosses it up at tournaments.
I saw the twitter boozing pic, but if you noticed alex garfield was in that picture too. Does that say something about eg's commitment to their players winning and being in the best conditions for tournaments? I think it does, but eg's known for marketing their players first and winning second. Lone exception would be jaedong as I doubt you'd catch him boozing it up before a big tournament.
Whoa there. . . I'm as disappointed as anyone and I complained earlier in the thread, but to state that DeMuslim is sick due to the possibility of him drinking last night is irrational and insane.
A person does not throw up from drinking 16+ hours after the event of getting drunk. Not unless it's a hospitalization-level situation. If DeMuslim threw up, he has food poisoning or the flu and it's completely out of his control.
I understand people's frustration and the desire for a scapegoat, but for fuck's sake don't blame DeMuslim with such feeble and irrational evidence. Trying to get the guy in trouble for his bad luck does not sit well with me, no matter how pissed I am with today's Shoutcraft matches.
On December 08 2013 11:54 SCST wrote: Whoa there. . . I'm as disappointed as anyone and I complained earlier in the thread, but to state that DeMuslim is sick due to the possibility of him drinking last night is irrational and insane.
A person does not throw up from drinking 16+ hours after the event of getting drunk. Not unless it's a hospitalization-level situation. If DeMuslim threw up, he has food poisoning or the flu and it's completely out of his control.
I understand people's frustration and the desire for a scapegoat, but for fuck's sake don't blame DeMuslim with such feeble and irrational evidence. Trying to get the guy in trouble for his bad luck does not sit well with me, no matter how pissed I am with today's Shoutcraft matches.
On December 08 2013 11:54 SCST wrote: Whoa there. . . I'm as disappointed as anyone and I complained earlier in the thread, but to state that DeMuslim is sick due to the possibility of him drinking last night is irrational and insane.
A person does not throw up from drinking 16+ hours after the event of getting drunk. Not unless it's a hospitalization-level situation. If DeMuslim threw up, he has food poisoning or the flu and it's completely out of his control.
I understand people's frustration and the desire for a scapegoat, but for fuck's sake don't blame DeMuslim with such feeble and irrational evidence. Trying to get the guy in trouble for his bad luck does not sit well with me, no matter how pissed I am with today's Shoutcraft matches.
On December 08 2013 11:54 SCST wrote: Whoa there. . . I'm as disappointed as anyone and I complained earlier in the thread, but to state that DeMuslim is sick due to the possibility of him drinking last night is irrational and insane.
A person does not throw up from drinking 16+ hours after the event of getting drunk. Not unless it's a hospitalization-level situation. If DeMuslim threw up, he has food poisoning or the flu and it's completely out of his control.
I understand people's frustration and the desire for a scapegoat, but for fuck's sake don't blame DeMuslim with such feeble and irrational evidence. Trying to get the guy in trouble for his bad luck does not sit well with me, no matter how pissed I am with today's Shoutcraft matches.
You sir are a grade A dumbass.
Way to make a pointless insult with no context and shit up the thread. Hopefully you'll get banned for a long time.
Edit: Sigh, no wonder this troll isn't afraid to do things like this - he's gets off with a warning for randomly insulting people in a thread.
On December 08 2013 11:54 SCST wrote: Whoa there. . . I'm as disappointed as anyone and I complained earlier in the thread, but to state that DeMuslim is sick due to the possibility of him drinking last night is irrational and insane.
A person does not throw up from drinking 16+ hours after the event of getting drunk. Not unless it's a hospitalization-level situation. If DeMuslim threw up, he has food poisoning or the flu and it's completely out of his control.
I understand people's frustration and the desire for a scapegoat, but for fuck's sake don't blame DeMuslim with such feeble and irrational evidence. Trying to get the guy in trouble for his bad luck does not sit well with me, no matter how pissed I am with today's Shoutcraft matches.
You sir are a grade A dumbass.
Way to make a pointless insult with no context and shit up the thread. Hopefully you'll get banned for a long time.
Way to backseat.
When will Demuslim stop getting a free pass from his fans who attribute everything to all these external things of which he has no control? Guy's a cool guy, got some talent but he needs to knuckle down, really.
Perhaps he wasn't throwing up due to alcohol intake, perhaps it was entirely unrelated. Perhaps he went out to a Karaoke bar, had one drink to relax before his big tournament. Considering this community has a precedent in getting pissed with someone like Nani throwing a game when he ACTUALLY didn't have a chance to progress, the negative reaction should not come as a surprise to Demu.
If he forfeits according to Lan lag then that is totally unacceptable no matter what. First of all, you accept those risks when you go to a Lan. Second of all, even if you're 99% going to lose, you still play the god damn game when it's something important like Shoutcraft in basically an 8 player invitational.
EPT
Im just as annoyed as everyone else that he forfeited but I think we should throw the guy some benefit of doubt.. i mean, innocent until proven guilty and all that! 
