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On November 17 2013 03:32 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 03:30 stuchiu wrote:On November 17 2013 03:30 TheDwf wrote:Let us bury the hatchet and laugh at Zergs. Soulkey single handidly making sure Zergs never get buffed. Terran had that with Mvp but now when he have stepped down they get a 0.1 buff.
Even Thorzain managed to get us nerfed.
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On November 17 2013 03:31 mechengineer123 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 03:24 Xoronius wrote:On November 17 2013 03:21 Everlong wrote:On November 17 2013 03:20 Xoronius wrote:On November 17 2013 03:18 magnaflow wrote:
ToD, The Avilo of Protoss, blames everything on balance, but plays like shit every game There is a difference between a mid-master player, who plays without healthbars and someone, who can beat MC in a mirror MU. tbh avilo is GM level player.. So at least don't speak your ass off just like that. Using and not using health-bars is completely personal preference, why would you try to discredit anyone because of this? Makes no sense.. Maybe I should´nt base my analysis on Catz twitter. However, the point is, ToD is leagues above avilo. forgg, among a couple of other koreans, doesn't use healthbars either
Like I said, I was tilted by that comment earlier, I do with this post publically apologize to everyone offended by my former dumb statement about healthbars. Now please stop quoting me and lets forget about that statement, since it was wrong anyway.
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On November 17 2013 03:33 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 03:32 AlternativeEgo wrote:On November 17 2013 03:30 stuchiu wrote:On November 17 2013 03:30 TheDwf wrote:Let us bury the hatchet and laugh at Zergs. Soulkey single handidly making sure Zergs never get buffed. Terran had that with Mvp but now when he have stepped down they get a 0.1 buff. Mvp died for our sins.
Mvp is Elfi's kid? Who would've known
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On November 17 2013 03:32 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 03:30 stuchiu wrote:On November 17 2013 03:30 TheDwf wrote:Let us bury the hatchet and laugh at Zergs. Soulkey single handidly making sure Zergs never get buffed. Terran had that with Mvp but now when he have stepped down they get a 0.1 buff.
*0.2
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I hope ToD wins his next match!
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i like the impression of what roaches and hydras are thinking by moman :D
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On November 17 2013 03:33 iSunrise wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 03:31 Prog wrote:On November 17 2013 03:28 iSunrise wrote:On November 17 2013 03:21 Zarahtra wrote:On November 17 2013 03:15 iSunrise wrote:On November 17 2013 03:12 Zarahtra wrote:On November 17 2013 03:11 miniskirt wrote:On November 17 2013 03:11 Keeemy wrote:
FFS Tod, stop being such a whiner please. can't he see his own mistakes, geez Makes me a bit sad. I mean there are situations where I can understand being whiny, there are situations where your mistakes aren't really big so you don't notice them, but he was playing pretty damn bad, far below his skill level, so I expected him to be furious about himself, not Happy... He surely is furious about the whole situation. You do realize that when you play SC2 games professionally on that level, there´s no marging for error and you can exploit the map however you like to your advantage. ToD just wasn´t prepared that Happy would do such a thing. And ToD probably already thought he had won. Something like that would kill almost everyone´s mindset. You are making it sound like Happy did something wrong on that tie game. ToD had options to actually win in that situation but didn't use it, he played bad, so it's frustrating to me that you make it sound that way. Happy played to win. The rules of the game are set before the game, fair has little to do with it. Anything can be made sound unfair with your logic, and building lifting would certainly go very very very low on my list of that whinefest. It´s actually you who wants to read it like that. ToD just wasn´t prepared to compete at that "low" level of mindgames. If you know you lost, all you can do is try to exploit something, so you actually could turn it around. So he used the map to his advantage. There was nothing bad about how ToD played until this moment, ToD just wasn´t prepared for something like that, which you could clearly see when you just went in to kill the buildings. It´s like the example I gave with CS. If your enemy shots at you and you only have 2% health left, all you can do is run and hide or flat-out die. Now, a really "intelligent?" player would try to hide forever to not be caught. And if the other player doesn´t find him (he cannot kill him, can he?), it suddenly is a tie? That would be a first. I have never ever seen such a thing happen, because every pro player in CS would be ashamed of himself, and to good reason. You never played CS, did you? If you just hide you lose because either you cannot stop the terrorists from getting the bomb ready, or you yourself cannot deploy the bomb. And still sometimes you need to hide to safe your weapon for the next round. Hence: Terrible example. Dude, that was just an example when playing 1 vs. 1. Not the normal CS mode where you need to defuse the bomb. If you don´t like that example, use Quake deathmatch or something else. My point still stands.
So you're saying Happy should NOT have lifted off his buildings and tried to force a draw?
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On November 17 2013 03:34 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 03:33 stuchiu wrote:On November 17 2013 03:32 AlternativeEgo wrote:On November 17 2013 03:30 stuchiu wrote:On November 17 2013 03:30 TheDwf wrote:Let us bury the hatchet and laugh at Zergs. Soulkey single handidly making sure Zergs never get buffed. Terran had that with Mvp but now when he have stepped down they get a 0.1 buff. Mvp died for our sins. Mvp is Elfi's kid? Who would've known
The canon is coming to fruition.
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On November 17 2013 03:34 FeyFey wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 03:32 AlternativeEgo wrote:On November 17 2013 03:30 stuchiu wrote:On November 17 2013 03:30 TheDwf wrote:Let us bury the hatchet and laugh at Zergs. Soulkey single handidly making sure Zergs never get buffed. Terran had that with Mvp but now when he have stepped down they get a 0.1 buff. Even Thorzain managed to get us nerfed.
We win and get buffed! 
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On November 17 2013 03:29 KalWarkov wrote:
please... you dont even know what ur talking about :/
fact of the matter is:
- protoss cant beat a army consisting of 25 ghosts, 20 vikings, 15 medivacs, mass scans
- terran has the hardest time getting to that army, because
- protoss is slightly favored in "normal" mid and lategame, when T has mostly MMM with some vikings and ghosts.
can we at least agree on that?
An army with ~6 Tempests and 7-8 Colossi + whatever ground is needed (mainly Stalkers/HTs) with Observers in Move command behind Colossi can easily decimate that precious army the Terran spent 10 minuts building. After that, your much faster remax, combined with the fact Terran is contained on 4 or 5 bases while Protoss has the rest of the map will allow you to win easily.
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On November 17 2013 03:33 iSunrise wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 03:31 Prog wrote:On November 17 2013 03:28 iSunrise wrote:On November 17 2013 03:21 Zarahtra wrote:On November 17 2013 03:15 iSunrise wrote:On November 17 2013 03:12 Zarahtra wrote:On November 17 2013 03:11 miniskirt wrote:On November 17 2013 03:11 Keeemy wrote:
FFS Tod, stop being such a whiner please. can't he see his own mistakes, geez Makes me a bit sad. I mean there are situations where I can understand being whiny, there are situations where your mistakes aren't really big so you don't notice them, but he was playing pretty damn bad, far below his skill level, so I expected him to be furious about himself, not Happy... He surely is furious about the whole situation. You do realize that when you play SC2 games professionally on that level, there´s no marging for error and you can exploit the map however you like to your advantage. ToD just wasn´t prepared that Happy would do such a thing. And ToD probably already thought he had won. Something like that would kill almost everyone´s mindset. You are making it sound like Happy did something wrong on that tie game. ToD had options to actually win in that situation but didn't use it, he played bad, so it's frustrating to me that you make it sound that way. Happy played to win. The rules of the game are set before the game, fair has little to do with it. Anything can be made sound unfair with your logic, and building lifting would certainly go very very very low on my list of that whinefest. It´s actually you who wants to read it like that. ToD just wasn´t prepared to compete at that "low" level of mindgames. If you know you lost, all you can do is try to exploit something, so you actually could turn it around. So he used the map to his advantage. There was nothing bad about how ToD played until this moment, ToD just wasn´t prepared for something like that, which you could clearly see when you just went in to kill the buildings. It´s like the example I gave with CS. If your enemy shots at you and you only have 2% health left, all you can do is run and hide or flat-out die. Now, a really "intelligent?" player would try to hide forever to not be caught. And if the other player doesn´t find him (he cannot kill him, can he?), it suddenly is a tie? That would be a first. I have never ever seen such a thing happen, because every pro player in CS would be ashamed of himself, and to good reason. You never played CS, did you? If you just hide you lose because either you cannot stop the terrorists from getting the bomb ready, or you yourself cannot deploy the bomb. And still sometimes you need to hide to safe your weapon for the next round. Hence: Terrible example. Dude, that was just an example when playing 1 vs. 1. Not the normal CS mode where you need to defuse the bomb. If you don´t like that example, use Quake deathmatch or something else. My point still stands.
One would have thought that being the SINGLE person in the whole thread who has a problem with flying buildings, you would after some time start to realize that you're on a mute point. But no. I admire your persistence.
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Just tuned in
Happy beat Jjakji 2-1 ? sick
what were the games like
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On November 17 2013 03:34 y0su wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 03:33 iSunrise wrote:On November 17 2013 03:31 Prog wrote:On November 17 2013 03:28 iSunrise wrote:On November 17 2013 03:21 Zarahtra wrote:On November 17 2013 03:15 iSunrise wrote:On November 17 2013 03:12 Zarahtra wrote:On November 17 2013 03:11 miniskirt wrote:On November 17 2013 03:11 Keeemy wrote:
FFS Tod, stop being such a whiner please. can't he see his own mistakes, geez Makes me a bit sad. I mean there are situations where I can understand being whiny, there are situations where your mistakes aren't really big so you don't notice them, but he was playing pretty damn bad, far below his skill level, so I expected him to be furious about himself, not Happy... He surely is furious about the whole situation. You do realize that when you play SC2 games professionally on that level, there´s no marging for error and you can exploit the map however you like to your advantage. ToD just wasn´t prepared that Happy would do such a thing. And ToD probably already thought he had won. Something like that would kill almost everyone´s mindset. You are making it sound like Happy did something wrong on that tie game. ToD had options to actually win in that situation but didn't use it, he played bad, so it's frustrating to me that you make it sound that way. Happy played to win. The rules of the game are set before the game, fair has little to do with it. Anything can be made sound unfair with your logic, and building lifting would certainly go very very very low on my list of that whinefest. It´s actually you who wants to read it like that. ToD just wasn´t prepared to compete at that "low" level of mindgames. If you know you lost, all you can do is try to exploit something, so you actually could turn it around. So he used the map to his advantage. There was nothing bad about how ToD played until this moment, ToD just wasn´t prepared for something like that, which you could clearly see when you just went in to kill the buildings. It´s like the example I gave with CS. If your enemy shots at you and you only have 2% health left, all you can do is run and hide or flat-out die. Now, a really "intelligent?" player would try to hide forever to not be caught. And if the other player doesn´t find him (he cannot kill him, can he?), it suddenly is a tie? That would be a first. I have never ever seen such a thing happen, because every pro player in CS would be ashamed of himself, and to good reason. You never played CS, did you? If you just hide you lose because either you cannot stop the terrorists from getting the bomb ready, or you yourself cannot deploy the bomb. And still sometimes you need to hide to safe your weapon for the next round. Hence: Terrible example. Dude, that was just an example when playing 1 vs. 1. Not the normal CS mode where you need to defuse the bomb. If you don´t like that example, use Quake deathmatch or something else. My point still stands. So you're saying Happy should NOT have lifted off his buildings and tried to force a draw?
He just thinks Happy should've not played to win, because in his mind the way Happy got the tie was unfair. In short, don't bother with him.
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On November 17 2013 03:35 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 03:34 FeyFey wrote:On November 17 2013 03:32 AlternativeEgo wrote:On November 17 2013 03:30 stuchiu wrote:On November 17 2013 03:30 TheDwf wrote:Let us bury the hatchet and laugh at Zergs. Soulkey single handidly making sure Zergs never get buffed. Terran had that with Mvp but now when he have stepped down they get a 0.1 buff. Even Thorzain managed to get us nerfed. We win and get buffed!
Unless San wins, then you get 3 nerfs.
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gogo jjakji! Jung JiHoon Fighting!!!
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On November 17 2013 03:35 Aven wrote:
Just tuned in
Happy beat Jjakji 2-1 ? sick
what were the games like
Jjakji played well and Happy played really well pretty much. Was solid straight up games, Happy out-positioned Jjakji
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On November 17 2013 03:35 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 03:29 KalWarkov wrote:
please... you dont even know what ur talking about :/
fact of the matter is:
- protoss cant beat a army consisting of 25 ghosts, 20 vikings, 15 medivacs, mass scans
- terran has the hardest time getting to that army, because
- protoss is slightly favored in "normal" mid and lategame, when T has mostly MMM with some vikings and ghosts.
can we at least agree on that? An army with ~6 Tempests and 7-8 Colossi + whatever ground is needed (mainly Stalkers/HTs) with Observers in Move command behind Colossi can easily decimate that precious army the Terran spent 10 minuts building. After that, your much faster remax, combined with the fact Terran is contained on 4 or 5 bases while Protoss has the rest of the map will allow you to win easily.
i can confirm, no way terran wins against tempests + storms, if the toss has decent control
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