[HSC VIII] Day 3 - Page 66

JustPassingBy

10776 Posts

November 16 2013 18:26 GMT

#1301

On November 17 2013 03:24 Heartland wrote:
Why cannon rush there and not just go for a Nexus after they pull all those drones?

Actually, it can happen that they have their probes in a bad position and then you can actually trap them with pylons and cannons, winning you the game. Always hiarious when it happens. ^^

stuchiu

Fiddler's Green42661 Posts

November 16 2013 18:27 GMT

#1302

You know how I know Jjakji will beat MC? He took a game off of Trap in PvT. that shit is nearly impossible.

Olli

Austria24417 Posts

November 16 2013 18:27 GMT

#1303

On November 17 2013 03:25 TheOne26 wrote:

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there is a reason for that, because he doesn't want to play to the late game. i only mentioned maru because i consider him one of the top terrans.

i could mention taeja since he plays similar late game oriented tvp with nice ghost play...but then again thats why hes not a tvp monster like maru because its just too hard to pull off vs a strong toss than can abuse their late game strength to full potential.

Taeja's TvP is at least as good as Maru's

slowbacontron

United States7722 Posts

November 16 2013 18:27 GMT

#1304

jjakji with some nice drop/push moves!

what is that prism doing in the corner?? o.O

stuchiu

Fiddler's Green42661 Posts

November 16 2013 18:27 GMT

#1305

On November 17 2013 03:27 DarkLordOlli wrote:

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On November 17 2013 03:25 TheOne26 wrote:

On November 17 2013 03:21 stuchiu wrote:

On November 17 2013 03:20 TheOne26 wrote:

On November 17 2013 03:17 Zealously wrote:

On November 17 2013 03:16 TheOne26 wrote:

On November 17 2013 03:13 KalWarkov wrote:

On November 17 2013 03:09 TheDwf wrote:

On November 17 2013 03:09 NovaMB wrote:

Yoan Merlo ‏@ToDsc2 18s
hey i'm geting owned, let's make mass static defense and turtle until i get an unbeatable army yay !!!!!

Come on ToD :/

Protoss complaining about lategame TvP, how hilarious.

lol that comment.

after 1 year of happy winning every lategame tvp that went to it on even terams, terrans still dont realize that lategame is total T dominance? you cannot beat 20 ghost 20 viking 20 medivac army with massscans to kill observers.

the one thing that comes closest to beat or at least fight evenly with it is mass oracle for revelation with lots of tempests and storm+cannons to fall back on.

the early and especially midgame is where you have a point of P arguably being stronger, since the protoss army naturally grows stronger adding colossus and storm for their first max - terrans kind of have to max out on mmm viking/ghost first while having a hard time transitioning into their superarmy of doom.

so happy can beat eu protoss players in the late game for a year = terran stronger than toss in late game...sick logic.

plz come back when you see players like maru/innovation play late game oriented tvp and win consistently rather than focus around 3 base scv pulls. pro tip: that will never happen because protoss will always win in the late game if terran does not have an advantage coming out of the midgame.

I love how you're mentioning Maru here

thats wrong with maru? my bff marineking is gone and he is the closest replacement

Maru hasn't played a late game TvP since his finals against Rain, and it wasn't even that late.

Taeja's TvP is at least as good as Maru's

was* Summer is over.

Though technically they both went 3-1 with Dear
Dohohohohoo. Fucking Protoss.

Nebuchad

Switzerland11916 Posts

November 16 2013 18:28 GMT

#1306

On November 17 2013 03:13 TheDwf wrote:

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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267497

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=420599

JustPassingBy

10776 Posts

November 16 2013 18:28 GMT

#1307

Actually, I hope for ToD that MC advances. I see his chances vs MC higher than his chances vs Symbol, tbh.

TheDwf

France19747 Posts

November 16 2013 18:28 GMT

#1308

On November 17 2013 03:27 stuchiu wrote:
You know how I know Jjakji will beat MC? He took a game off of Trap in PvT. that shit is nearly impossible.

There's also the fact he's better than MC, so it increases his odds.

slowbacontron

United States7722 Posts

November 16 2013 18:28 GMT

#1309

Nice storms :o and apparently MC dropped jjakji

but jjakji is too everywhere ! :D

DrPandaPhD

5188 Posts

November 16 2013 18:28 GMT

#1310

Jjakji destroying MC atm

iSunrise

3302 Posts

November 16 2013 18:28 GMT

#1311

On November 17 2013 03:21 Zarahtra wrote:

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You are making it sound like Happy did something wrong on that tie game. ToD had options to actually win in that situation but didn't use it, he played bad, so it's frustrating to me that you make it sound that way. Happy played to win. The rules of the game are set before the game, fair has little to do with it. Anything can be made sound unfair with your logic, and building lifting would certainly go very very very low on my list of that whinefest.

It´s actually you who wants to read it like that. ToD just wasn´t prepared to compete at that "low" level of mindgames. If you know you lost, all you can do is try to exploit something, so you actually could turn it around. So he used the map to his advantage. There was nothing bad about how ToD played until this moment, ToD just wasn´t prepared for something like that, which you could clearly see when you just went in to kill the buildings.

It´s like the example I gave with CS.

If your enemy shots at you and you only have 2% health left, all you can do is run and hide or flat-out die. Now, a really "intelligent?" player would try to hide forever to not be caught. And if the other player doesn´t find him (he cannot kill him, can he?), it suddenly is a tie? That would be a first. I have never ever seen such a thing happen, because every pro player in CS would be ashamed of himself, and to good reason.

stuchiu

Fiddler's Green42661 Posts

November 16 2013 18:28 GMT

#1312

And now you get to see the best ghost play or second best in Korea. Jjakji is making ghosts.

slowbacontron

United States7722 Posts

November 16 2013 18:29 GMT

#1313

ooh FFs and Feedbacks doing nicely

y0su

Finland7871 Posts

November 16 2013 18:29 GMT

#1314

On November 17 2013 03:28 Nebuchad wrote:

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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=420599

http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/

KalWarkov

Germany4126 Posts

November 16 2013 18:29 GMT

#1315

On November 17 2013 03:25 TheOne26 wrote:

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please... you dont even know what ur talking about :/
fact of the matter is:
- protoss cant beat a army consisting of 25 ghosts, 20 vikings, 15 medivacs, mass scans
- terran has the hardest time getting to that army, because
- protoss is slightly favored in "normal" mid and lategame, when T has mostly MMM with some vikings and ghosts.

can we at least agree on that?

The reason why Maru is a bad example, and why you cannot compare him to Taeja is, that Maru doesnt even try to transition into anything.
he basically extends the midgame or normal "lategame" by massing MMM forever, till HE or his opponent dies with multidrops everywhere.
Taeja plays more textbook and tries to transition out of MMM. Basically what Happy does, just in a more aggressive fashion and against stronger players.