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JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
November 16 2013 18:26 GMT
#1301
On November 17 2013 03:24 Heartland wrote:
Why cannon rush there and not just go for a Nexus after they pull all those drones?


Actually, it can happen that they have their probes in a bad position and then you can actually trap them with pylons and cannons, winning you the game. Always hiarious when it happens. ^^
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-16 18:27:08
November 16 2013 18:27 GMT
#1302
You know how I know Jjakji will beat MC? He took a game off of Trap in PvT. that shit is nearly impossible.
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
November 16 2013 18:27 GMT
#1303
On November 17 2013 03:25 TheOne26 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 03:21 stuchiu wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:20 TheOne26 wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:17 Zealously wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:16 TheOne26 wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:13 KalWarkov wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:09 TheDwf wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:09 NovaMB wrote:
Yoan Merlo ‏@ToDsc2 18s
hey i'm geting owned, let's make mass static defense and turtle until i get an unbeatable army yay !!!!!


Come on ToD :/

Protoss complaining about lategame TvP, how hilarious.


lol that comment.

after 1 year of happy winning every lategame tvp that went to it on even terams, terrans still dont realize that lategame is total T dominance? you cannot beat 20 ghost 20 viking 20 medivac army with massscans to kill observers.

the one thing that comes closest to beat or at least fight evenly with it is mass oracle for revelation with lots of tempests and storm+cannons to fall back on.

the early and especially midgame is where you have a point of P arguably being stronger, since the protoss army naturally grows stronger adding colossus and storm for their first max - terrans kind of have to max out on mmm viking/ghost first while having a hard time transitioning into their superarmy of doom.

so happy can beat eu protoss players in the late game for a year = terran stronger than toss in late game...sick logic.

plz come back when you see players like maru/innovation play late game oriented tvp and win consistently rather than focus around 3 base scv pulls. pro tip: that will never happen because protoss will always win in the late game if terran does not have an advantage coming out of the midgame.


I love how you're mentioning Maru here

thats wrong with maru? my bff marineking is gone and he is the closest replacement


Maru hasn't played a late game TvP since his finals against Rain, and it wasn't even that late.

there is a reason for that, because he doesn't want to play to the late game. i only mentioned maru because i consider him one of the top terrans.

i could mention taeja since he plays similar late game oriented tvp with nice ghost play...but then again thats why hes not a tvp monster like maru because its just too hard to pull off vs a strong toss than can abuse their late game strength to full potential.


Taeja's TvP is at least as good as Maru's
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slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
November 16 2013 18:27 GMT
#1304
jjakji with some nice drop/push moves!

what is that prism doing in the corner?? o.O
jjakji fan
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-16 18:28:16
November 16 2013 18:27 GMT
#1305
On November 17 2013 03:27 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 03:25 TheOne26 wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:21 stuchiu wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:20 TheOne26 wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:17 Zealously wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:16 TheOne26 wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:13 KalWarkov wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:09 TheDwf wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:09 NovaMB wrote:
Yoan Merlo ‏@ToDsc2 18s
hey i'm geting owned, let's make mass static defense and turtle until i get an unbeatable army yay !!!!!


Come on ToD :/

Protoss complaining about lategame TvP, how hilarious.


lol that comment.

after 1 year of happy winning every lategame tvp that went to it on even terams, terrans still dont realize that lategame is total T dominance? you cannot beat 20 ghost 20 viking 20 medivac army with massscans to kill observers.

the one thing that comes closest to beat or at least fight evenly with it is mass oracle for revelation with lots of tempests and storm+cannons to fall back on.

the early and especially midgame is where you have a point of P arguably being stronger, since the protoss army naturally grows stronger adding colossus and storm for their first max - terrans kind of have to max out on mmm viking/ghost first while having a hard time transitioning into their superarmy of doom.

so happy can beat eu protoss players in the late game for a year = terran stronger than toss in late game...sick logic.

plz come back when you see players like maru/innovation play late game oriented tvp and win consistently rather than focus around 3 base scv pulls. pro tip: that will never happen because protoss will always win in the late game if terran does not have an advantage coming out of the midgame.


I love how you're mentioning Maru here

thats wrong with maru? my bff marineking is gone and he is the closest replacement


Maru hasn't played a late game TvP since his finals against Rain, and it wasn't even that late.

there is a reason for that, because he doesn't want to play to the late game. i only mentioned maru because i consider him one of the top terrans.

i could mention taeja since he plays similar late game oriented tvp with nice ghost play...but then again thats why hes not a tvp monster like maru because its just too hard to pull off vs a strong toss than can abuse their late game strength to full potential.


Taeja's TvP is at least as good as Maru's


was* Summer is over.

Though technically they both went 3-1 with Dear
Dohohohohoo. Fucking Protoss.
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12381 Posts
November 16 2013 18:28 GMT
#1306
On November 17 2013 03:13 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 03:12 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:09 TheDwf wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:09 NovaMB wrote:
Yoan Merlo ‏@ToDsc2 18s
hey i'm geting owned, let's make mass static defense and turtle until i get an unbeatable army yay !!!!!


Come on ToD :/

Protoss complaining about lategame TvP, how hilarious.


Yeah ToD should really play terran, he has the right mindset for it.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267497


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=420599
No will to live, no wish to die
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
November 16 2013 18:28 GMT
#1307
Actually, I hope for ToD that MC advances. I see his chances vs MC higher than his chances vs Symbol, tbh.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
November 16 2013 18:28 GMT
#1308
On November 17 2013 03:27 stuchiu wrote:
You know how I know Jjakji will beat MC? He took a game off of Trap in PvT. that shit is nearly impossible.

There's also the fact he's better than MC, so it increases his odds.
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
November 16 2013 18:28 GMT
#1309
Nice storms :o and apparently MC dropped jjakji

but jjakji is too everywhere ! :D
jjakji fan
DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
November 16 2013 18:28 GMT
#1310
Jjakji destroying MC atm
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iSunrise
Profile Joined June 2011
3302 Posts
November 16 2013 18:28 GMT
#1311
On November 17 2013 03:21 Zarahtra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 03:15 iSunrise wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:12 Zarahtra wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:11 miniskirt wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:11 Keeemy wrote:
FFS Tod, stop being such a whiner please.

can't he see his own mistakes, geez

Makes me a bit sad. I mean there are situations where I can understand being whiny, there are situations where your mistakes aren't really big so you don't notice them, but he was playing pretty damn bad, far below his skill level, so I expected him to be furious about himself, not Happy...

He surely is furious about the whole situation.

You do realize that when you play SC2 games professionally on that level, there´s no marging for error and you can exploit the map however you like to your advantage. ToD just wasn´t prepared that Happy would do such a thing.

And ToD probably already thought he had won. Something like that would kill almost everyone´s mindset.

You are making it sound like Happy did something wrong on that tie game. ToD had options to actually win in that situation but didn't use it, he played bad, so it's frustrating to me that you make it sound that way. Happy played to win. The rules of the game are set before the game, fair has little to do with it. Anything can be made sound unfair with your logic, and building lifting would certainly go very very very low on my list of that whinefest.

It´s actually you who wants to read it like that. ToD just wasn´t prepared to compete at that "low" level of mindgames. If you know you lost, all you can do is try to exploit something, so you actually could turn it around. So he used the map to his advantage. There was nothing bad about how ToD played until this moment, ToD just wasn´t prepared for something like that, which you could clearly see when you just went in to kill the buildings.

It´s like the example I gave with CS.

If your enemy shots at you and you only have 2% health left, all you can do is run and hide or flat-out die. Now, a really "intelligent?" player would try to hide forever to not be caught. And if the other player doesn´t find him (he cannot kill him, can he?), it suddenly is a tie? That would be a first. I have never ever seen such a thing happen, because every pro player in CS would be ashamed of himself, and to good reason.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
November 16 2013 18:28 GMT
#1312
And now you get to see the best ghost play or second best in Korea. Jjakji is making ghosts.
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slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
November 16 2013 18:29 GMT
#1313
ooh FFs and Feedbacks doing nicely
jjakji fan
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
November 16 2013 18:29 GMT
#1314
On November 17 2013 03:28 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 03:13 TheDwf wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:12 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:09 TheDwf wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:09 NovaMB wrote:
Yoan Merlo ‏@ToDsc2 18s
hey i'm geting owned, let's make mass static defense and turtle until i get an unbeatable army yay !!!!!


Come on ToD :/

Protoss complaining about lategame TvP, how hilarious.


Yeah ToD should really play terran, he has the right mindset for it.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267497


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=420599

http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
November 16 2013 18:29 GMT
#1315
On November 17 2013 03:25 TheOne26 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 03:21 stuchiu wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:20 TheOne26 wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:17 Zealously wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:16 TheOne26 wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:13 KalWarkov wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:09 TheDwf wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:09 NovaMB wrote:
Yoan Merlo ‏@ToDsc2 18s
hey i'm geting owned, let's make mass static defense and turtle until i get an unbeatable army yay !!!!!


Come on ToD :/

Protoss complaining about lategame TvP, how hilarious.


lol that comment.

after 1 year of happy winning every lategame tvp that went to it on even terams, terrans still dont realize that lategame is total T dominance? you cannot beat 20 ghost 20 viking 20 medivac army with massscans to kill observers.

the one thing that comes closest to beat or at least fight evenly with it is mass oracle for revelation with lots of tempests and storm+cannons to fall back on.

the early and especially midgame is where you have a point of P arguably being stronger, since the protoss army naturally grows stronger adding colossus and storm for their first max - terrans kind of have to max out on mmm viking/ghost first while having a hard time transitioning into their superarmy of doom.

so happy can beat eu protoss players in the late game for a year = terran stronger than toss in late game...sick logic.

plz come back when you see players like maru/innovation play late game oriented tvp and win consistently rather than focus around 3 base scv pulls. pro tip: that will never happen because protoss will always win in the late game if terran does not have an advantage coming out of the midgame.


I love how you're mentioning Maru here

thats wrong with maru? my bff marineking is gone and he is the closest replacement


Maru hasn't played a late game TvP since his finals against Rain, and it wasn't even that late.

there is a reason for that, because he doesn't want to play to the late game. i only mentioned maru because i consider him one of the top terrans.

i could mention taeja since he plays similar late game oriented tvp with nice ghost play...but then again thats why hes not a tvp monster like maru because its just too hard to pull off vs a strong toss than can abuse their late game strength to full potential.


please... you dont even know what ur talking about :/
fact of the matter is:
- protoss cant beat a army consisting of 25 ghosts, 20 vikings, 15 medivacs, mass scans
- terran has the hardest time getting to that army, because
- protoss is slightly favored in "normal" mid and lategame, when T has mostly MMM with some vikings and ghosts.

can we at least agree on that?

The reason why Maru is a bad example, and why you cannot compare him to Taeja is, that Maru doesnt even try to transition into anything.
he basically extends the midgame or normal "lategame" by massing MMM forever, till HE or his opponent dies with multidrops everywhere.
Taeja plays more textbook and tries to transition out of MMM. Basically what Happy does, just in a more aggressive fashion and against stronger players.
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
November 16 2013 18:30 GMT
#1316
On November 17 2013 03:28 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 03:13 TheDwf wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:12 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:09 TheDwf wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:09 NovaMB wrote:
Yoan Merlo ‏@ToDsc2 18s
hey i'm geting owned, let's make mass static defense and turtle until i get an unbeatable army yay !!!!!


Come on ToD :/

Protoss complaining about lategame TvP, how hilarious.


Yeah ToD should really play terran, he has the right mindset for it.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267497


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=420599

Let us bury the hatchet and laugh at Zergs.
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
November 16 2013 18:30 GMT
#1317
phew great defense by jjakji!
jjakji fan
DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
November 16 2013 18:30 GMT
#1318
On November 17 2013 03:30 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 03:28 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:13 TheDwf wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:12 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:09 TheDwf wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:09 NovaMB wrote:
Yoan Merlo ‏@ToDsc2 18s
hey i'm geting owned, let's make mass static defense and turtle until i get an unbeatable army yay !!!!!


Come on ToD :/

Protoss complaining about lategame TvP, how hilarious.


Yeah ToD should really play terran, he has the right mindset for it.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267497


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=420599

Let us bury the hatchet and laugh at Zergs.

heyheyheyhey now
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12381 Posts
November 16 2013 18:30 GMT
#1319
On November 17 2013 03:30 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 03:28 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:13 TheDwf wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:12 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:09 TheDwf wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:09 NovaMB wrote:
Yoan Merlo ‏@ToDsc2 18s
hey i'm geting owned, let's make mass static defense and turtle until i get an unbeatable army yay !!!!!


Come on ToD :/

Protoss complaining about lategame TvP, how hilarious.


Yeah ToD should really play terran, he has the right mindset for it.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267497


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=420599

Let us bury the hatchet and laugh at Zergs.


I can go with that, wp
No will to live, no wish to die
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
November 16 2013 18:30 GMT
#1320
jjakji is playing really well atm :D
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
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