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Everlong
Profile Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1973 Posts
November 16 2013 18:19 GMT
#1261
On November 17 2013 03:18 magnaflow wrote:
ToD, The Avilo of Protoss, blames everything on balance, but plays like shit every game


Sure, winning 2-1 vs MC he must really not know how to play this game.. Stupid Tod.
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
November 16 2013 18:20 GMT
#1262
On November 17 2013 03:19 Ketch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 03:17 Nomzter wrote:
Why is all the text fat now?


Yeah I had that too, name boxes were light gray as well earlier this day... something is acting up

I think light graph posts are how TL shows "OLD POST" now, but if it was on recent posts, coulda been another mistake
jjakji fan
TheOne26
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia142 Posts
November 16 2013 18:20 GMT
#1263
On November 17 2013 03:17 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 03:16 TheOne26 wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:13 KalWarkov wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:09 TheDwf wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:09 NovaMB wrote:
Yoan Merlo ‏@ToDsc2 18s
hey i'm geting owned, let's make mass static defense and turtle until i get an unbeatable army yay !!!!!


Come on ToD :/

Protoss complaining about lategame TvP, how hilarious.


lol that comment.

after 1 year of happy winning every lategame tvp that went to it on even terams, terrans still dont realize that lategame is total T dominance? you cannot beat 20 ghost 20 viking 20 medivac army with massscans to kill observers.

the one thing that comes closest to beat or at least fight evenly with it is mass oracle for revelation with lots of tempests and storm+cannons to fall back on.

the early and especially midgame is where you have a point of P arguably being stronger, since the protoss army naturally grows stronger adding colossus and storm for their first max - terrans kind of have to max out on mmm viking/ghost first while having a hard time transitioning into their superarmy of doom.

so happy can beat eu protoss players in the late game for a year = terran stronger than toss in late game...sick logic.

plz come back when you see players like maru/innovation play late game oriented tvp and win consistently rather than focus around 3 base scv pulls. pro tip: that will never happen because protoss will always win in the late game if terran does not have an advantage coming out of the midgame.


I love how you're mentioning Maru here

thats wrong with maru? my bff marineking is gone and he is the closest replacement
DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
November 16 2013 18:20 GMT
#1264
On November 17 2013 03:18 Shikyo wrote:
I have no bold? What are you talking about?

You need to be brave to see it.. Because bold.. heheheheh

nvm
리노크 👑
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
November 16 2013 18:20 GMT
#1265
On November 17 2013 03:18 magnaflow wrote:
ToD, The Avilo of Protoss, blames everything on balance, but plays like shit every game

There is a difference between a mid-master player, who plays without healthbars and someone, who can beat MC in a mirror MU.
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-16 18:22:01
November 16 2013 18:20 GMT
#1266
On November 17 2013 03:17 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 03:16 TheOne26 wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:13 KalWarkov wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:09 TheDwf wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:09 NovaMB wrote:
Yoan Merlo ‏@ToDsc2 18s
hey i'm geting owned, let's make mass static defense and turtle until i get an unbeatable army yay !!!!!


Come on ToD :/

Protoss complaining about lategame TvP, how hilarious.


lol that comment.

after 1 year of happy winning every lategame tvp that went to it on even terams, terrans still dont realize that lategame is total T dominance? you cannot beat 20 ghost 20 viking 20 medivac army with massscans to kill observers.

the one thing that comes closest to beat or at least fight evenly with it is mass oracle for revelation with lots of tempests and storm+cannons to fall back on.

the early and especially midgame is where you have a point of P arguably being stronger, since the protoss army naturally grows stronger adding colossus and storm for their first max - terrans kind of have to max out on mmm viking/ghost first while having a hard time transitioning into their superarmy of doom.

so happy can beat eu protoss players in the late game for a year = terran stronger than toss in late game...sick logic.

plz come back when you see players like maru/innovation play late game oriented tvp and win consistently rather than focus around 3 base scv pulls. pro tip: that will never happen because protoss will always win in the late game if terran does not have an advantage coming out of the midgame.


I love how you're mentioning Maru here



oh you mean maru who never transitions out of MMM and drops till he wins or dies? ye, good example.
Happy would win about 80% of lategame TvP if it came to the ghost viking medivac stage as well.

the problem is that even Happy would die before ever getting to it in almost every game against top korean P's.
we talked about very lategame, nothing else.
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
purgerinho
Profile Joined June 2008
Croatia919 Posts
November 16 2013 18:20 GMT
#1267
symbol has big problems in zvp :/
SUMMARIZED (by DeMu): You CANNOT surprise a top level Protoss with a build
Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
November 16 2013 18:20 GMT
#1268
Oh wow Symbol. Cmon dude
Hello
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24593 Posts
November 16 2013 18:20 GMT
#1269
Huh. Titan is pretty good.
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-16 18:22:53
November 16 2013 18:21 GMT
#1270
On November 17 2013 03:15 iSunrise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 03:12 Zarahtra wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:11 miniskirt wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:11 Keeemy wrote:
FFS Tod, stop being such a whiner please.

can't he see his own mistakes, geez

Makes me a bit sad. I mean there are situations where I can understand being whiny, there are situations where your mistakes aren't really big so you don't notice them, but he was playing pretty damn bad, far below his skill level, so I expected him to be furious about himself, not Happy...

He surely is furious about the whole situation.

You do realize that when you play SC2 games professionally on that level, there´s no marging for error and you can exploit the map however you like to your advantage. ToD just wasn´t prepared that Happy would do such a thing.

And ToD probably already thought he had won. Something like that would kill almost everyone´s mindset.

You are making it sound like Happy did something wrong on that tie game. ToD had options to actually win in that situation but didn't use it, he played bad, so it's frustrating to me that you make it sound that way. Happy played to win. The rules of the game are set before the game, fair has little to do with it. Anything can be made sound unfair with your logic, and building lifting would certainly go very very very low on my list of that whinefest.
DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
November 16 2013 18:21 GMT
#1271
On November 17 2013 03:20 purgerinho wrote:
symbol has big problems in zvp :/

Don't think it's just Symbol
리노크 👑
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
November 16 2013 18:21 GMT
#1272
On November 17 2013 03:20 TheOne26 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 03:17 Zealously wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:16 TheOne26 wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:13 KalWarkov wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:09 TheDwf wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:09 NovaMB wrote:
Yoan Merlo ‏@ToDsc2 18s
hey i'm geting owned, let's make mass static defense and turtle until i get an unbeatable army yay !!!!!


Come on ToD :/

Protoss complaining about lategame TvP, how hilarious.


lol that comment.

after 1 year of happy winning every lategame tvp that went to it on even terams, terrans still dont realize that lategame is total T dominance? you cannot beat 20 ghost 20 viking 20 medivac army with massscans to kill observers.

the one thing that comes closest to beat or at least fight evenly with it is mass oracle for revelation with lots of tempests and storm+cannons to fall back on.

the early and especially midgame is where you have a point of P arguably being stronger, since the protoss army naturally grows stronger adding colossus and storm for their first max - terrans kind of have to max out on mmm viking/ghost first while having a hard time transitioning into their superarmy of doom.

so happy can beat eu protoss players in the late game for a year = terran stronger than toss in late game...sick logic.

plz come back when you see players like maru/innovation play late game oriented tvp and win consistently rather than focus around 3 base scv pulls. pro tip: that will never happen because protoss will always win in the late game if terran does not have an advantage coming out of the midgame.


I love how you're mentioning Maru here

thats wrong with maru? my bff marineking is gone and he is the closest replacement


Both marineking and Maru are known for a headbashing style. They headbash protoss with MMM until someone dies.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
magnaflow
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1521 Posts
November 16 2013 18:21 GMT
#1273
On November 17 2013 03:20 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 03:18 magnaflow wrote:
ToD, The Avilo of Protoss, blames everything on balance, but plays like shit every game

There is a difference between a mid-master player, who plays without healthbars and someone, who can beat MC in a mirror MU.


PvP, where a caster can beat a pro
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
November 16 2013 18:21 GMT
#1274
Another 2-bases blink, what a surprise.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
November 16 2013 18:21 GMT
#1275
Jjakji vs MC! Match of the tournament right here! Get hype!
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
November 16 2013 18:21 GMT
#1276
On November 17 2013 03:20 TheOne26 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 03:17 Zealously wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:16 TheOne26 wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:13 KalWarkov wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:09 TheDwf wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:09 NovaMB wrote:
Yoan Merlo ‏@ToDsc2 18s
hey i'm geting owned, let's make mass static defense and turtle until i get an unbeatable army yay !!!!!


Come on ToD :/

Protoss complaining about lategame TvP, how hilarious.


lol that comment.

after 1 year of happy winning every lategame tvp that went to it on even terams, terrans still dont realize that lategame is total T dominance? you cannot beat 20 ghost 20 viking 20 medivac army with massscans to kill observers.

the one thing that comes closest to beat or at least fight evenly with it is mass oracle for revelation with lots of tempests and storm+cannons to fall back on.

the early and especially midgame is where you have a point of P arguably being stronger, since the protoss army naturally grows stronger adding colossus and storm for their first max - terrans kind of have to max out on mmm viking/ghost first while having a hard time transitioning into their superarmy of doom.

so happy can beat eu protoss players in the late game for a year = terran stronger than toss in late game...sick logic.

plz come back when you see players like maru/innovation play late game oriented tvp and win consistently rather than focus around 3 base scv pulls. pro tip: that will never happen because protoss will always win in the late game if terran does not have an advantage coming out of the midgame.


I love how you're mentioning Maru here

thats wrong with maru? my bff marineking is gone and he is the closest replacement


Maru hasn't played a late game TvP since his finals against Rain, and it wasn't even that late.
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Autotroph
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom940 Posts
November 16 2013 18:21 GMT
#1277
On November 17 2013 03:19 Ketch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 03:17 Nomzter wrote:
Why is all the text fat now?


Yeah I had that too, name boxes were light gray as well earlier this day... something is acting up


Light grey has replaced the 'old post' image below posts more than 3 months old
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Everlong
Profile Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1973 Posts
November 16 2013 18:21 GMT
#1278
On November 17 2013 03:20 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 03:18 magnaflow wrote:
ToD, The Avilo of Protoss, blames everything on balance, but plays like shit every game

There is a difference between a mid-master player, who plays without healthbars and someone, who can beat MC in a mirror MU.


tbh avilo is GM level player.. So at least don't speak your ass off just like that. Using and not using health-bars is completely personal preference, why would you try to discredit anyone because of this? Makes no sense..
coL.hendralisk
Profile Joined September 2009
Zimbabwe1756 Posts
November 16 2013 18:21 GMT
#1279
On November 17 2013 03:21 DrPandaPhD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 03:20 purgerinho wrote:
symbol has big problems in zvp :/

Don't think it's just Symbol


2base protoss vs zerg in general is quite effective
BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
November 16 2013 18:21 GMT
#1280
Titan beating Sympbol would be really cool, we might avoid 7 korean/1 foreigner ro8.

HSC somehow always is foreigner teretory
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