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ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
November 16 2013 18:30 GMT
#1321
On November 17 2013 03:27 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 03:27 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:25 TheOne26 wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:21 stuchiu wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:20 TheOne26 wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:17 Zealously wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:16 TheOne26 wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:13 KalWarkov wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:09 TheDwf wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:09 NovaMB wrote:
[quote]

Come on ToD :/

Protoss complaining about lategame TvP, how hilarious.


lol that comment.

after 1 year of happy winning every lategame tvp that went to it on even terams, terrans still dont realize that lategame is total T dominance? you cannot beat 20 ghost 20 viking 20 medivac army with massscans to kill observers.

the one thing that comes closest to beat or at least fight evenly with it is mass oracle for revelation with lots of tempests and storm+cannons to fall back on.

the early and especially midgame is where you have a point of P arguably being stronger, since the protoss army naturally grows stronger adding colossus and storm for their first max - terrans kind of have to max out on mmm viking/ghost first while having a hard time transitioning into their superarmy of doom.

so happy can beat eu protoss players in the late game for a year = terran stronger than toss in late game...sick logic.

plz come back when you see players like maru/innovation play late game oriented tvp and win consistently rather than focus around 3 base scv pulls. pro tip: that will never happen because protoss will always win in the late game if terran does not have an advantage coming out of the midgame.


I love how you're mentioning Maru here

thats wrong with maru? my bff marineking is gone and he is the closest replacement


Maru hasn't played a late game TvP since his finals against Rain, and it wasn't even that late.

there is a reason for that, because he doesn't want to play to the late game. i only mentioned maru because i consider him one of the top terrans.

i could mention taeja since he plays similar late game oriented tvp with nice ghost play...but then again thats why hes not a tvp monster like maru because its just too hard to pull off vs a strong toss than can abuse their late game strength to full potential.


Taeja's TvP is at least as good as Maru's


was* Summer is over.

Though technically they both went 3-1 with Dear
Dohohohohoo. Fucking Protoss.

TaeJa took a late-game map off of Dear.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
November 16 2013 18:30 GMT
#1322
On November 17 2013 03:30 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 03:28 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:13 TheDwf wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:12 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:09 TheDwf wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:09 NovaMB wrote:
Yoan Merlo ‏@ToDsc2 18s
hey i'm geting owned, let's make mass static defense and turtle until i get an unbeatable army yay !!!!!


Come on ToD :/

Protoss complaining about lategame TvP, how hilarious.


Yeah ToD should really play terran, he has the right mindset for it.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267497


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=420599

Let us bury the hatchet and laugh at Zergs.


Soulkey single handidly making sure Zergs never get buffed.
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mechengineer123
Profile Joined March 2013
Ukraine711 Posts
November 16 2013 18:31 GMT
#1323
On November 17 2013 03:24 Xoronius wrote:
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On November 17 2013 03:21 Everlong wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:20 Xoronius wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:18 magnaflow wrote:
ToD, The Avilo of Protoss, blames everything on balance, but plays like shit every game

There is a difference between a mid-master player, who plays without healthbars and someone, who can beat MC in a mirror MU.


tbh avilo is GM level player.. So at least don't speak your ass off just like that. Using and not using health-bars is completely personal preference, why would you try to discredit anyone because of this? Makes no sense..

Maybe I should´nt base my analysis on Catz twitter. However, the point is, ToD is leagues above avilo.

forgg, among a couple of other koreans, doesn't use healthbars either
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
November 16 2013 18:31 GMT
#1324
ooh MC got great drop defense too :o
jjakji fan
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
November 16 2013 18:31 GMT
#1325
On November 17 2013 03:30 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 03:27 stuchiu wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:27 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:25 TheOne26 wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:21 stuchiu wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:20 TheOne26 wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:17 Zealously wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:16 TheOne26 wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:13 KalWarkov wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:09 TheDwf wrote:
[quote]
Protoss complaining about lategame TvP, how hilarious.


lol that comment.

after 1 year of happy winning every lategame tvp that went to it on even terams, terrans still dont realize that lategame is total T dominance? you cannot beat 20 ghost 20 viking 20 medivac army with massscans to kill observers.

the one thing that comes closest to beat or at least fight evenly with it is mass oracle for revelation with lots of tempests and storm+cannons to fall back on.

the early and especially midgame is where you have a point of P arguably being stronger, since the protoss army naturally grows stronger adding colossus and storm for their first max - terrans kind of have to max out on mmm viking/ghost first while having a hard time transitioning into their superarmy of doom.

so happy can beat eu protoss players in the late game for a year = terran stronger than toss in late game...sick logic.

plz come back when you see players like maru/innovation play late game oriented tvp and win consistently rather than focus around 3 base scv pulls. pro tip: that will never happen because protoss will always win in the late game if terran does not have an advantage coming out of the midgame.


I love how you're mentioning Maru here

thats wrong with maru? my bff marineking is gone and he is the closest replacement


Maru hasn't played a late game TvP since his finals against Rain, and it wasn't even that late.

there is a reason for that, because he doesn't want to play to the late game. i only mentioned maru because i consider him one of the top terrans.

i could mention taeja since he plays similar late game oriented tvp with nice ghost play...but then again thats why hes not a tvp monster like maru because its just too hard to pull off vs a strong toss than can abuse their late game strength to full potential.


Taeja's TvP is at least as good as Maru's


was* Summer is over.

Though technically they both went 3-1 with Dear
Dohohohohoo. Fucking Protoss.

TaeJa took a late-game map off of Dear.


Yes.
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Prog
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom1470 Posts
November 16 2013 18:31 GMT
#1326
On November 17 2013 03:28 iSunrise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 03:21 Zarahtra wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:15 iSunrise wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:12 Zarahtra wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:11 miniskirt wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:11 Keeemy wrote:
FFS Tod, stop being such a whiner please.

can't he see his own mistakes, geez

Makes me a bit sad. I mean there are situations where I can understand being whiny, there are situations where your mistakes aren't really big so you don't notice them, but he was playing pretty damn bad, far below his skill level, so I expected him to be furious about himself, not Happy...

He surely is furious about the whole situation.

You do realize that when you play SC2 games professionally on that level, there´s no marging for error and you can exploit the map however you like to your advantage. ToD just wasn´t prepared that Happy would do such a thing.

And ToD probably already thought he had won. Something like that would kill almost everyone´s mindset.

You are making it sound like Happy did something wrong on that tie game. ToD had options to actually win in that situation but didn't use it, he played bad, so it's frustrating to me that you make it sound that way. Happy played to win. The rules of the game are set before the game, fair has little to do with it. Anything can be made sound unfair with your logic, and building lifting would certainly go very very very low on my list of that whinefest.

It´s actually you who wants to read it like that. ToD just wasn´t prepared to compete at that "low" level of mindgames. If you know you lost, all you can do is try to exploit something, so you actually could turn it around. So he used the map to his advantage. There was nothing bad about how ToD played until this moment, ToD just wasn´t prepared for something like that, which you could clearly see when you just went in to kill the buildings.

It´s like the example I gave with CS.

If your enemy shots at you and you only have 2% health left, all you can do is run and hide or flat-out die. Now, a really "intelligent?" player would try to hide forever to not be caught. And if the other player doesn´t find him (he cannot kill him, can he?), it suddenly is a tie? That would be a first. I have never ever seen such a thing happen, because every pro player in CS would be ashamed of himself, and to good reason.


You never played CS, did you? If you just hide you lose because either you cannot stop the terrorists from getting the bomb ready, or you yourself cannot deploy the bomb. And still sometimes you need to hide to safe your weapon for the next round. Hence: Terrible example.
hipo
Profile Joined November 2010
France482 Posts
November 16 2013 18:31 GMT
#1327
Jjakji TvP is like 10 times better than his TvT...
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
November 16 2013 18:31 GMT
#1328
Titan is about to get Muta-switched
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
November 16 2013 18:32 GMT
#1329
These supplies so close o.o
jjakji fan
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
November 16 2013 18:32 GMT
#1330
On November 17 2013 03:31 hipo wrote:
Jjakji TvP is like 10 times better than his TvT...


I did say his TvT was his worse by farrrrr.
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slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
November 16 2013 18:32 GMT
#1331
wow GREAT storm dodge !
jjakji fan
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
November 16 2013 18:32 GMT
#1332
On November 17 2013 03:30 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 03:30 TheDwf wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:28 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:13 TheDwf wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:12 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:09 TheDwf wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:09 NovaMB wrote:
Yoan Merlo ‏@ToDsc2 18s
hey i'm geting owned, let's make mass static defense and turtle until i get an unbeatable army yay !!!!!


Come on ToD :/

Protoss complaining about lategame TvP, how hilarious.


Yeah ToD should really play terran, he has the right mindset for it.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267497


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=420599

Let us bury the hatchet and laugh at Zergs.


Soulkey single handidly making sure Zergs never get buffed.


Terran had that with Mvp but now when he have stepped down they get a 0.1 buff.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
November 16 2013 18:33 GMT
#1333
GG JJ! So good :D
jjakji fan
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
November 16 2013 18:33 GMT
#1334
Jjakji!
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
November 16 2013 18:33 GMT
#1335
On November 17 2013 03:32 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 03:30 stuchiu wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:30 TheDwf wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:28 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:13 TheDwf wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:12 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:09 TheDwf wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:09 NovaMB wrote:
Yoan Merlo ‏@ToDsc2 18s
hey i'm geting owned, let's make mass static defense and turtle until i get an unbeatable army yay !!!!!


Come on ToD :/

Protoss complaining about lategame TvP, how hilarious.


Yeah ToD should really play terran, he has the right mindset for it.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267497


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=420599

Let us bury the hatchet and laugh at Zergs.


Soulkey single handidly making sure Zergs never get buffed.


Terran had that with Mvp but now when he have stepped down they get a 0.1 buff.


Mvp died for our sins.
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DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
November 16 2013 18:33 GMT
#1336
JJAKJIIIIIIII ONE MORE :D:D
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-16 18:34:15
November 16 2013 18:33 GMT
#1337
Hm, apart from that zergling runby which did nothing to put titan in the current situation he is in, what did he do wrong?
edit: apart from planting down a third nexus ofc.
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
November 16 2013 18:33 GMT
#1338
Dat Aldi water.
iSunrise
Profile Joined June 2011
3302 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-16 18:34:18
November 16 2013 18:33 GMT
#1339
On November 17 2013 03:31 Prog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 03:28 iSunrise wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:21 Zarahtra wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:15 iSunrise wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:12 Zarahtra wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:11 miniskirt wrote:
On November 17 2013 03:11 Keeemy wrote:
FFS Tod, stop being such a whiner please.

can't he see his own mistakes, geez

Makes me a bit sad. I mean there are situations where I can understand being whiny, there are situations where your mistakes aren't really big so you don't notice them, but he was playing pretty damn bad, far below his skill level, so I expected him to be furious about himself, not Happy...

He surely is furious about the whole situation.

You do realize that when you play SC2 games professionally on that level, there´s no marging for error and you can exploit the map however you like to your advantage. ToD just wasn´t prepared that Happy would do such a thing.

And ToD probably already thought he had won. Something like that would kill almost everyone´s mindset.

You are making it sound like Happy did something wrong on that tie game. ToD had options to actually win in that situation but didn't use it, he played bad, so it's frustrating to me that you make it sound that way. Happy played to win. The rules of the game are set before the game, fair has little to do with it. Anything can be made sound unfair with your logic, and building lifting would certainly go very very very low on my list of that whinefest.

It´s actually you who wants to read it like that. ToD just wasn´t prepared to compete at that "low" level of mindgames. If you know you lost, all you can do is try to exploit something, so you actually could turn it around. So he used the map to his advantage. There was nothing bad about how ToD played until this moment, ToD just wasn´t prepared for something like that, which you could clearly see when you just went in to kill the buildings.

It´s like the example I gave with CS.

If your enemy shots at you and you only have 2% health left, all you can do is run and hide or flat-out die. Now, a really "intelligent?" player would try to hide forever to not be caught. And if the other player doesn´t find him (he cannot kill him, can he?), it suddenly is a tie? That would be a first. I have never ever seen such a thing happen, because every pro player in CS would be ashamed of himself, and to good reason.


You never played CS, did you? If you just hide you lose because either you cannot stop the terrorists from getting the bomb ready, or you yourself cannot deploy the bomb. And still sometimes you need to hide to safe your weapon for the next round. Hence: Terrible example.

Dude, that was just an example when playing 1 vs. 1. Not the normal CS mode where you need to defuse the bomb. If you don´t like that example, use Quake deathmatch or something else. My point still stands.
hipo
Profile Joined November 2010
France482 Posts
November 16 2013 18:33 GMT
#1340
On November 17 2013 03:32 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 03:31 hipo wrote:
Jjakji TvP is like 10 times better than his TvT...


I did say his TvT was his worse by farrrrr.

I know! I keep saying it too.
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