[WCS Finals] Day 1 Season 3 Grand Finals 2013 - Page 131

GreenMash

Norway1746 Posts

October 25 2013 21:31 GMT

#2601

On October 26 2013 06:28 lolfail9001 wrote:
Dammit, i am starting to fall asleep, but trying to keep myself up with #passion and wish to see how Maru will do against soO. I WANTED THAT FINAL.

get rid of the woongjin flair now

stuchiu

Fiddler's Green42661 Posts

October 25 2013 21:31 GMT

#2602

Dear's build really looks like stalker aggression into a blink attack.

Sabu113

United States11086 Posts

October 25 2013 21:31 GMT

#2603

How does Dear have a 10 probe advantage.

Crazy

robson1

3632 Posts

October 25 2013 21:32 GMT

#2604

Great build by dear.

stuchiu

Fiddler's Green42661 Posts

October 25 2013 21:32 GMT

#2605

On October 26 2013 06:30 Squat wrote:

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On October 26 2013 06:29 unigolyn wrote:

On October 26 2013 06:27 Squat wrote:

On October 26 2013 06:22 KelsierSC wrote:

On October 26 2013 06:20 Squat wrote:

On October 26 2013 06:13 The_Red_Viper wrote:

On October 26 2013 06:09 robson1 wrote:

On October 26 2013 06:07 The_Red_Viper wrote:

On October 26 2013 06:01 BlackCompany wrote:

On October 26 2013 06:01 Fusilero wrote:
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Genius beat jaedong and 5000 people who want to think they're cool BW veterans fanboy rage at him by bandwagoning onto jaedong.

You forgot the part where Protoss is stupid and all they can do is cheesy imba all-ins

Its not particulary about that they "can only do that", but these kind of things are just soo unforgiving, jaedong got unlucky with his scouting 2 times and then has no chance at all to defend there. I mean i dont understand how you can argue against the shit that is warpgate, have your new built army instant there where you need it is just fking ridiculous oftentimes.. Protoss is just a gamble race, thats the reason why they are so strong in bo1's and you almost never see really great agmes out of PvX matchups.
And no i wont shut up or do something else, cause i enjoy every other matchup without protoss in it.

Do I have to keep doing this? [image loading]

If you cant argue, just keep doing it. That doesnt make your points (lol) more valid. If you think genius did play better cause he got the pylons there and did manage to have fantastic voidray micro (lol²), then yeah.
Its sad that that the tvt was by far the best match today, only cause every other match had a toss in it :/

TvT is the best match up in Sc2 period, it's the only match up I'll watch even if there are no players I care about, as long as it's high enough level.

And about Jaedong, look, I'm one of the biggest fanboys ever, but I'm not blind or stupid, and you'd have to be fucking crazy to think he had any real shot of wining this, or even make it out of the group. His play has been getting consistently worse the last few months, he looked shaky as hell in WCS NA, almost losing to Hack and then incomprehensible decision making and really poor reads cost him the series against Buyl. He

He just does not read the game anywhere near as well as needs to, in SC2 it's so incredibly easy to lose as zerg to a P or Z who just plays super aggressive, any I have seen nothing to suggest that he could make it through this murderer's row. I give him a decent shot at beating MMA, but it would surprise me greatly if he beats Hero or Genius. If they just do mixed all ins and weird cheeses every game, odds are it's going to work at least twice.

Take yer "Logic" and "Reason" elsewhere, being a blind and stupid fanboy is way more fun

Back when JD was making it to finals all the time but then fell just short, I really felt like he was close to a major breakthrough, like he was about to become the champion I so wanted him to be.

Now, he looks almost as lost and befuddled by the game as in WoL, he's not evolving, and at this point I have more or less come to terms with the idea that his best years are behind him and that he may never really become a world beater in SC2. I'm ok with that, I still value achievements in BW over pretty much anything else, but reality is what it is.

No one is constantly evolving. People have slumps. A few months of worsening results isn't indicative of anything, really.

JD looks he has devolved, that's the problem.

You can ignore Genius results. He always wins randomly at any point.

purgerinho

Croatia919 Posts

October 25 2013 21:32 GMT

#2606

man, one transition made dear lost the game but he is level or two above hero.. this series are so one sided.. too bad hero won because now pvp lasts longer :/

robson1

3632 Posts

October 25 2013 21:33 GMT

#2607

move command Dear?

Shellshock

United States97276 Posts

October 25 2013 21:33 GMT

#2608

On October 26 2013 06:29 Shellshock wrote:

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1:40
gateway first for both players

2:00
dobule gas for both players
cybernetics core for both players

3:00
sentry for HerO
2nd gate for HerO
Nexus for Dear
MSC for Dear

4:00
MSC for HerO
stalker for Dear
2 stalkers for HerO
2 more gates for Dear

5:00
Dear sends his MSC across the map
robo for Dear
MSC harassing a pylon on the edge of HerO's base
Dear's MSC loses about half of its health
Nexus for HerO
forward pylon for Dear

6:00
robo for HerO
5 stalkers pressuring the natural of HerO
observer for Dear
HerO warps in some more stalkers and moves down his natural ramp
Dear backs off briefly

7:00 H 42 vs D 49
photon overcharge on the natural nexus of HerO as Dear pokes in again
immortal for HerO
I might have missed something my video was stuttering pretty bad
Dear harassing the edge of HerO's base killing a pylon

8:00 H 61 vs D 61
Dear has a 10 probe lead
Robo bay for Dear
forge for Hero
observer for HerO

9:00 H 67 vs D 71
HerO moves out of his natural to chase Dear away
immortal out for Dear
colossus production started for Dear
3 more gates for Dear
+1 attack started for Dear
another gate for Dear
robo bay for herO
extended thermal lance research started for Dear

10:00 H 79 vs D 75
HerO has stopped probe production
Dear move commands into HerO's army and loses 4 stalkers
2 more gates for HerO
forge for Dear
2nd colossus for Dear
Dear turns around and heads back to his base
+1 attack started for Dear

CruelZeratul

Germany4588 Posts

October 25 2013 21:33 GMT

#2609

Haha, Dear failing the engagements :D

Coolhwip

Sweden1381 Posts

October 25 2013 21:33 GMT

#2610

I love this pvp!

SkullZ9

Belgium2048 Posts

October 25 2013 21:33 GMT

#2611

I think one of the gate of Dear hasn't been transformed into a warpgate

robson1

3632 Posts

October 25 2013 21:34 GMT

#2612

On October 26 2013 06:32 stuchiu wrote:

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On October 26 2013 06:30 Squat wrote:

On October 26 2013 06:29 unigolyn wrote:

On October 26 2013 06:27 Squat wrote:

On October 26 2013 06:22 KelsierSC wrote:

On October 26 2013 06:20 Squat wrote:

On October 26 2013 06:13 The_Red_Viper wrote:

On October 26 2013 06:09 robson1 wrote:

On October 26 2013 06:07 The_Red_Viper wrote:

On October 26 2013 06:01 BlackCompany wrote:
[quote]
You forgot the part where Protoss is stupid and all they can do is cheesy imba all-ins

Do I have to keep doing this? [image loading]

Take yer "Logic" and "Reason" elsewhere, being a blind and stupid fanboy is way more fun

No one is constantly evolving. People have slumps. A few months of worsening results isn't indicative of anything, really.

JD looks he has devolved, that's the problem.

You can ignore Genius results. He always wins randomly at any point.

Genius is as likely to win against JD as he is to loose against firecake or starbuck.

Storm-Giant

Spain416 Posts

October 25 2013 21:34 GMT

#2613

On October 26 2013 06:22 unigolyn wrote:

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They basically tickle anything non-massive, don't go up against them without air control?

I know that Dear made mistakes there. I'm not discussing that. But their damage against air massive units is just stupid. It isn't a hardcounter but an ultracounter, and with a hell of a range attack.

Tempest generally make BCs, Broodlords and Collosus useless, a waste. There's just no point on making those units because a small amount of Tempest take care of them in no time. Lowering damage vs air massive units and making them slighty better vs rest of the units would be more fair, imo.