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[WCS EU] Group G Challenger Season 3 2013 - Page 42
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
On October 23 2013 05:13 mcc wrote: Also I think he should have done what Socke suggested, sat on top of his ramp with 200/200 army, forcfields and 10k gas bank. The game would be like 15hrs and SC2 would actually become real sport as weak players would die If I hosted a tourney and players did that, I would disqualify both of them for making no attempt to end it. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On October 23 2013 05:13 unigolyn wrote: The game doesn't need to be balanced for mined-out late games. I just said that it is not about balance, but about design. Why are you replying with balance ? | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24591 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On October 23 2013 05:13 mcc wrote: Also I think he should have done what Socke suggested, sat on top of his ramp with 200/200 army, forcfields and 10k gas bank. The game would be like 15hrs and SC2 would actually become real sport as weak players would die HasuObs Victorious After Opponent Dies Of Exhaustion During Nine Day Game The post-game autopsy revealed Bly's heart failed on day five of the marathon game, though HasuObs continued play for four more days until ESL was notified of Bly's passing. 'I thought I just needed a little more time to complete my composition, I'm sorry to hear of my opponent's passing," HasuObs told reporters in a press conference following the match. Thorzain commented, "I think Hasuobs attacked a little too early and should have built on top of his lead." http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=411243 | ||
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rasnj
United States1959 Posts
On October 23 2013 05:13 unigolyn wrote: The game doesn't need to be balanced for mined-out late games. It probably should. Otherwise the race with imbalanced late game units will aim to get to the late game. See for instance late WoL where zergs were trying to get to broodlord infestor, or early WoL where PvZ had protoss trying to get a deathball and then just roll out. | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
The day before my match against MaNa, I was convinced I would be eliminated quickly. As my studies were starting soon, I wouldn't have been able to train for the rest of the tournament so I played my matches just in case a miracle happens. Moreover, I knew that MaNa had a barcode and not me, I was expecting to face very strong build orders to counter mines (like our last match in group stage). So I decided to play completely different playstyles than what I usually play to surprise my opponent (and also to avoid 3 or 4 hour games if I went for SH/Viper). | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On October 23 2013 05:14 SafeAsCheese wrote: If I hosted a tourney and players did that, I would disqualify both of them for making no attempt to end it. Frankly at that point I think protoss by doing that is doing his best to achieve best possible result - draw. There is no reasonable argument for punishing that. I doubt there is any way that protoss can actually win if game is at that stage. Like in chess, if you can't win, play for draw. | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On October 23 2013 05:01 Yello wrote: Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 2? ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (100) ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (20) ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6) ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1) ★★★ - Good game (1) 128 total votes Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 2? (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3? ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (35) ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (8) ★★★ - Good game (4) ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (3) ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3) 53 total votes Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3? (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year Really? | ||
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Yello
Germany7411 Posts
Vipers, Corruptors, so easy to play Game so long, 3 hours on the clock Can't think of rhymes, Dustin Browder likes rocks Firecake's winning, zerg so OP Mana come on, can you finally GG got the lyrics from Pengwin ^.^ | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
On October 23 2013 05:13 mcc wrote: Also I think he should have done what Socke suggested, sat on top of his ramp with 200/200 army, forcfields and 10k gas bank. The game would be like 15hrs and SC2 would actually become real sport as weak players would die Wouldn't mind if he had did that. All he can reach is a draw in this situation, so its up to the Zerg to finish it or take the draw. I just wish Locusts would lose hp instead of just a timer. So their long range would be weaker. Well true wish would be that Locusts don't work alone, like they intended it in the first place, with hydras behind them and retreating after the Locusts are gone. | ||
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
On October 23 2013 05:16 mcc wrote: Frankly at that point I think protoss by doing that is doing his best to achieve best possible result - draw. There is no reasonable argument for punishing that. I doubt there is any way that protoss can actually win if game is at that stage. Like in chess, if you can't win, play for draw. Except firezerg was able to win by siege hoping his swarm hosts and doing a muta remax. He made no attempt to that game. In his position, I would have won a few hours ago. There has almost never been a point in SC2 where neither player can win due to infinite defense on both sides. firezerg had the perfect defense that game, mana did not, he was quite weak to be honest | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8643 Posts
Not all of the 79 can be wrong! | ||
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unigolyn
Estonia1272 Posts
On October 23 2013 05:14 mcc wrote: I just said that it is not about balance, but about design. Why are you replying with balance ? Because saying "design" instead of "balance" is like saying "Intelligent Design" instead of "creationism". Your point is not that the game is badly designed, your point is that Mana couldn't win against late game Swarm Hosts. That is a balance complaint. In this ideally designed game, all armies would be equally matched in the super late game. 99% of games don't get to that point, so it's pointless to design to that. The "point" Mana was attempting to make was an exercise in idiocy, as far as I'm concerned. | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
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Etiam pellentesque, diam id congue eleifend, risus nisi blandit orci, id luctus ligula velit non nisi. Mauris pellentesque turpis congue, laoreet dolor eu, vestibulum turpis. mana loses everything Set 1: (P)MaNa > (Z)FireCake @ Akilon Wastes User was warned for this post Wonderfully written | ||
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Vanadiel
France961 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
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unigolyn
Estonia1272 Posts
On October 23 2013 05:15 rasnj wrote: It probably should. Otherwise the race with imbalanced late game units will aim to get to the late game. See for instance late WoL where zergs were trying to get to broodlord infestor, or early WoL where PvZ had protoss trying to get a deathball and then just roll out. As long as it's possible to stop them from getting to that point, who cares? | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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