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5c0rp10n
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany342 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-23 08:03:12
October 23 2013 08:03 GMT
#901
On October 23 2013 05:37 Aeromi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2013 05:34 Boucot wrote:
Blizzard should send a Hearthstone key to every viewer who watched the game.

We are real fans.

Actually, they sent me one yesterday after the game. :D
| NaNiwa | CJ`herO |
MarthTV
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany387 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-23 08:26:21
October 23 2013 08:24 GMT
#902
Now that i have watched the VOD of this game i still think about a solution for that unbreakable defence.

My best idea so far was to give the Mothership the stasis field spell of the bw arbiter. it would be not as random as the vortex and still can make a huge difference in the whole engagement. it would also help to see the mothership more often because nowadays no one ever uses it because its mostly useless in every situation.

Edit: ofc another solution would be a reworking/removing of the swarmhost ^^
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loko1275
Profile Joined June 2012
11 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-23 08:47:07
October 23 2013 08:45 GMT
#903
On October 23 2013 16:56 lichter wrote:
Yup it happens once in thousands of games and of course the game is nonsense


only because people do not aim for this kind of composition. Firecake showed us, vs daisy then vs mana that he can get this composition on akilon no matter what. When you watch the begining of this game you see mana was like a lightyear ahead, but he still lost.

Anyway, watching Firecake vs Bling and the first game vs mana, you can't deny firecake has an awesome ZvP
Insoleet
Profile Joined May 2012
France1806 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-23 09:04:38
October 23 2013 09:02 GMT
#904
Great analysis of last game by Lalush on reddit, a must-read imho :

http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1p03by/why_akilon_wastes_is_not_the_problem_firecake_vs/ccxmdy8
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-23 11:29:03
October 23 2013 11:22 GMT
#905
On October 23 2013 18:02 Insoleet wrote:
Great analysis of last game by Lalush on reddit, a must-read imho :

http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1p03by/why_akilon_wastes_is_not_the_problem_firecake_vs/ccxmdy8

Not to be offending or anything but that's almost like he has a single point about economy in this game being hard cap'd by amount of bases (granted mineral saturation does indeed working like almost-hard-cap line) and draws his rather correct conclusions from there. IMO, more bases with same amount of workers is not reliable only because it A. you actually can't defend it most of time if it is too far away. B. See A. While providing only benefit of A. more gas income (cool, if i am muta abusing zerg) B. longer time to mine out (now, that's important).
EDIT:
Decided to watch the Vod. Pre-game:
I love this aggressive style from FireCake.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Asarha
Profile Joined January 2012
France71 Posts
October 23 2013 11:33 GMT
#906
On October 23 2013 15:48 Muffloe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2013 13:18 Asarha wrote:
On October 23 2013 06:20 Saechiis wrote:
Who's Firecake?

He's one of the top french player (basically: Tod/Dayshi/firecake/marinelord). He's in wcs challenger since the first season, and even go to first league this season. He's also well known by the EU Grandmaster to be one of the biggest badmanner, in competition with Naniwa. (And I think he really could win)
His ZvP style is very agressive, unless he goes for that kind of build. On akilon waste he's just a beast in ZvP, grats to this... fucking boring strat.
But, as Pengwin said: Like he played, he couldn't lose. So, it's not a bad decision.

Anyone could beat Naniwa in bm if they wanted to. People want naniwa to be some kind of like BM-god, but that is not the reality at all

Hm... Naniwa's still one of the biggest BM in SC2 history, you know^

It was the perfect game for showing how this game has non-sense. No way to come back vs a weaker player, no way to finish the game. The player who attacks lose the game. 3 hours of boring show, which is kinda paradoxical for a game. 3 years after the release of the game. How sad.

>implying Firecake's weaker than Mana. Statistiques prove you're wrong.
http://isday9dead.com/
jonich0n
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1982 Posts
October 23 2013 11:38 GMT
#907
On October 23 2013 05:10 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2013 05:08 CrazyBirdman wrote:
Imagine a game this long at the finals of Blizzcon or Dreamhack or something.


This game Blizzcon, Grand Finals, Game 7, Grubby vs Sniper. Just think about the LR.

hahahaha

Sniper would totally win a game 7 against a massive fan favorite, exactly how this went down. fuckin' Sniper.
(>'.')>
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14462 Posts
October 23 2013 11:49 GMT
#908
On October 23 2013 17:03 5c0rp10n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2013 05:37 Aeromi wrote:
On October 23 2013 05:34 Boucot wrote:
Blizzard should send a Hearthstone key to every viewer who watched the game.

We are real fans.

Actually, they sent me one yesterday after the game. :D

Lucky boy !
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 23 2013 11:57 GMT
#909
On October 23 2013 17:24 Marth93 wrote:
Now that i have watched the VOD of this game i still think about a solution for that unbreakable defence.

My best idea so far was to give the Mothership the stasis field spell of the bw arbiter. it would be not as random as the vortex and still can make a huge difference in the whole engagement. it would also help to see the mothership more often because nowadays no one ever uses it because its mostly useless in every situation.

Edit: ofc another solution would be a reworking/removing of the swarmhost ^^

Best decision ever is to remove all 2p maps except derelict :D
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
October 23 2013 12:28 GMT
#910
On October 23 2013 20:33 Asarha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2013 15:48 Muffloe wrote:
On October 23 2013 13:18 Asarha wrote:
On October 23 2013 06:20 Saechiis wrote:
Who's Firecake?

He's one of the top french player (basically: Tod/Dayshi/firecake/marinelord). He's in wcs challenger since the first season, and even go to first league this season. He's also well known by the EU Grandmaster to be one of the biggest badmanner, in competition with Naniwa. (And I think he really could win)
His ZvP style is very agressive, unless he goes for that kind of build. On akilon waste he's just a beast in ZvP, grats to this... fucking boring strat.
But, as Pengwin said: Like he played, he couldn't lose. So, it's not a bad decision.

Anyone could beat Naniwa in bm if they wanted to. People want naniwa to be some kind of like BM-god, but that is not the reality at all

Hm... Naniwa's still one of the biggest BM in SC2 history, you know^


No. Just no. Naniwa just gets more flak for bm, because he is better known, but in reality not shaking someones hand or probe-rushing someone is not that big of a deal, if you compare it to Orb, HEADHUNTER and other guys, I am not allowed to name here.
ReMinD_
Profile Joined May 2013
Croatia846 Posts
October 23 2013 12:46 GMT
#911
Dat 3 hr muta switch
Parting: Well, even I can make better maps than these.
Asarha
Profile Joined January 2012
France71 Posts
October 23 2013 12:54 GMT
#912
On October 23 2013 21:28 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2013 20:33 Asarha wrote:
On October 23 2013 15:48 Muffloe wrote:
On October 23 2013 13:18 Asarha wrote:
On October 23 2013 06:20 Saechiis wrote:
Who's Firecake?

He's one of the top french player (basically: Tod/Dayshi/firecake/marinelord). He's in wcs challenger since the first season, and even go to first league this season. He's also well known by the EU Grandmaster to be one of the biggest badmanner, in competition with Naniwa. (And I think he really could win)
His ZvP style is very agressive, unless he goes for that kind of build. On akilon waste he's just a beast in ZvP, grats to this... fucking boring strat.
But, as Pengwin said: Like he played, he couldn't lose. So, it's not a bad decision.

Anyone could beat Naniwa in bm if they wanted to. People want naniwa to be some kind of like BM-god, but that is not the reality at all

Hm... Naniwa's still one of the biggest BM in SC2 history, you know^


No. Just no. Naniwa just gets more flak for bm, because he is better known, but in reality not shaking someones hand or probe-rushing someone is not that big of a deal, if you compare it to Orb, HEADHUNTER and other guys, I am not allowed to name here.


And saying he won't play a tournament final if a streamer is in 'cause it lagged 1 time at the beggining of a game, isn't BM ?
Seriously, in the SC2 pro history, noone ever was as BM as Naniwa.
http://isday9dead.com/
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 23 2013 13:28 GMT
#913
On October 23 2013 21:54 Asarha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2013 21:28 Xoronius wrote:
On October 23 2013 20:33 Asarha wrote:
On October 23 2013 15:48 Muffloe wrote:
On October 23 2013 13:18 Asarha wrote:
On October 23 2013 06:20 Saechiis wrote:
Who's Firecake?

He's one of the top french player (basically: Tod/Dayshi/firecake/marinelord). He's in wcs challenger since the first season, and even go to first league this season. He's also well known by the EU Grandmaster to be one of the biggest badmanner, in competition with Naniwa. (And I think he really could win)
His ZvP style is very agressive, unless he goes for that kind of build. On akilon waste he's just a beast in ZvP, grats to this... fucking boring strat.
But, as Pengwin said: Like he played, he couldn't lose. So, it's not a bad decision.

Anyone could beat Naniwa in bm if they wanted to. People want naniwa to be some kind of like BM-god, but that is not the reality at all

Hm... Naniwa's still one of the biggest BM in SC2 history, you know^


No. Just no. Naniwa just gets more flak for bm, because he is better known, but in reality not shaking someones hand or probe-rushing someone is not that big of a deal, if you compare it to Orb, HEADHUNTER and other guys, I am not allowed to name here.


And saying he won't play a tournament final if a streamer is in 'cause it lagged 1 time at the beggining of a game, isn't BM ?
Seriously, in the SC2 pro history, noone ever was as BM as Naniwa.

Too far here, but Naniwa is pretty BM and has been his whole esports career, back to WC3. But not the most BM in "SC2 Pro history"
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Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
October 23 2013 13:56 GMT
#914
On October 23 2013 21:54 Asarha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2013 21:28 Xoronius wrote:
On October 23 2013 20:33 Asarha wrote:
On October 23 2013 15:48 Muffloe wrote:
On October 23 2013 13:18 Asarha wrote:
On October 23 2013 06:20 Saechiis wrote:
Who's Firecake?

He's one of the top french player (basically: Tod/Dayshi/firecake/marinelord). He's in wcs challenger since the first season, and even go to first league this season. He's also well known by the EU Grandmaster to be one of the biggest badmanner, in competition with Naniwa. (And I think he really could win)
His ZvP style is very agressive, unless he goes for that kind of build. On akilon waste he's just a beast in ZvP, grats to this... fucking boring strat.
But, as Pengwin said: Like he played, he couldn't lose. So, it's not a bad decision.

Anyone could beat Naniwa in bm if they wanted to. People want naniwa to be some kind of like BM-god, but that is not the reality at all

Hm... Naniwa's still one of the biggest BM in SC2 history, you know^


No. Just no. Naniwa just gets more flak for bm, because he is better known, but in reality not shaking someones hand or probe-rushing someone is not that big of a deal, if you compare it to Orb, HEADHUNTER and other guys, I am not allowed to name here.


And saying he won't play a tournament final if a streamer is in 'cause it lagged 1 time at the beggining of a game, isn't BM ?
Seriously, in the SC2 pro history, noone ever was as BM as Naniwa.


A bit. Nothing serious though. I mean Stephano did´nt play tournament finals in the past, just because he was tired and did´nt want to.

But did Naniwa suggest, that David Kim gets raped with a steel pipe?
Did Naniwa repeatedly use racial slurs on ladder with no apperent reason?
Did Naniwa combine an amout of flaming, stream-cheating and map-hacking of a magnitude, that his name alone is ban-worthy on TL?

The answer is no. If you think Naniwa is the most bm player in SC2 history, you are just simply wrong.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8315 Posts
October 23 2013 21:44 GMT
#915
On October 23 2013 05:17 Yello wrote:
Firecake and Mana, playing all day
Vipers, Corruptors, so easy to play
Game so long, 3 hours on the clock
Can't think of rhymes, Dustin Browder likes rocks
Firecake's winning, zerg so OP
Mana come on, can you finally GG


got the lyrics from Pengwin ^.^


Actually the rap lyrics were:

Firecake and Mana, playing all day
Swarmhost, Corruptors, so easy to play
Breaking records: 3 hours on the clock
Can't think of rhymes, Dustin Browder likes rocks
Zerg so imba, viper OP
Mana you're dead, can you finally GG

Just watched the vod (skimmed through it) here:

http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/matches/firecake-vs-mana-57
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
miicah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2470 Posts
October 23 2013 23:50 GMT
#916
So I watched this game but can't understand why Mana just didn't do zealot warp ins or phoenix harass.
@miicah88
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