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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-11 22:55:04
October 11 2013 22:54 GMT
#2701
On October 12 2013 07:52 KelsierSC wrote:
Man so many good zergs in this tournament. I think only Hero/Naniwa can stop a ZvZ final.

Not that the ZvZ final would be bad, any combination of Hyun, Curious, Life and DRG would be amazing


sOs/San can beat most of these zergs.
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 11 2013 22:55 GMT
#2702
On October 12 2013 07:54 Dodgin wrote:
Revival has to win the tournament so I have an excuse to ragequit sc2 spectating and do something tangible with my free time

Why didn't you do that after Shanghai?
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
October 11 2013 22:55 GMT
#2703
On October 12 2013 07:50 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 07:44 Darkhoarse wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:43 Heartland wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:42 stuchiu wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:39 Dodgin wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:37 stuchiu wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:37 Dodgin wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:35 stuchiu wrote:
San did it. He just Mc'd Revival out of a game where Revival was up 60 supply and 4 bases to 2.


This is karma for his free spot in the tournament.


Revival must die so that I don't have to write something about him for Blizzcon. I'm all out of material.


I have a good idea for how to describe Alive and Revival, " the replacements ".


Small game hunters. They went into the American wilderness to hunt down squirrels.


Aren't they sort of like Merry and Pippin from Lord of the Rings? You know they're in the Fellowship, you know they do stuff and maybe some of it sorta mattered but half of the time you struggle to remember what their thing is, what they look like or what they're doing.

I know that it makes no sense for EG to be the Fellowship.

Merry and Pippin have awesome personality. And I say that as an Alive fanboy.

Alive had a really good NASL interview video from last season.

Revival has a hat.
unigolyn
Profile Joined August 2013
Estonia1272 Posts
October 11 2013 22:55 GMT
#2704
"2 in each is much more efficient than 3 in one".

Amazing arithmetic there by Kaelaris.
Show me what passes for fury amongst your misbegotten kind.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 11 2013 22:55 GMT
#2705
On October 12 2013 07:54 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 07:52 KelsierSC wrote:
Man so many good zergs in this tournament. I think only Hero/Naniwa can stop a ZvZ final.

Not that the ZvZ final would be bad, any combination of Hyun, Curious, Life and DRG would be amazing


sOs/San can beat most of these zergs.

sOs and San #'s 1 and 2 cannon rushers in PvZ
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
October 11 2013 22:55 GMT
#2706
On October 12 2013 07:54 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 07:53 Doublemint wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:52 KelsierSC wrote:
Man so many good zergs in this tournament. I think only Hero/Naniwa can stop a ZvZ final.

Not that the ZvZ final would be bad, any combination of Hyun, Curious, Life and DRG would be amazing


Sorry, ZvZ final is always bad.


Leenock vs Life and DRG vs Life were great.


Leenock vs Violet too
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 11 2013 22:56 GMT
#2707
On October 12 2013 07:54 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 07:52 KelsierSC wrote:
Man so many good zergs in this tournament. I think only Hero/Naniwa can stop a ZvZ final.

Not that the ZvZ final would be bad, any combination of Hyun, Curious, Life and DRG would be amazing

Sorry, but NaNiwa's PvZ is still his weakpoint, so I doubt he could defeat the Korean Zergs you mentioned. HerO however could prevent a ZvZ Ro4.


Ah you probably know more than me about Naniwa, I was just really impressed with his play against Hack, I know it's a different matchup but he showed great mental resilience which is what you need to go deep in a tournament.
Zerg for Life
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
October 11 2013 22:56 GMT
#2708
On October 12 2013 07:54 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 07:53 Doublemint wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:52 KelsierSC wrote:
Man so many good zergs in this tournament. I think only Hero/Naniwa can stop a ZvZ final.

Not that the ZvZ final would be bad, any combination of Hyun, Curious, Life and DRG would be amazing


Sorry, ZvZ final is always bad.


Leenock vs Life and DRG vs Life were great.


I'm sorry I can't remember Leenock vs Life, I must have been in a coma from July 2012 to March 2013. That or all the ZvZ finals blended together in my memories. The only thing I remember about Iron Squid is that Life won 4 games in a row and DRG fans got really sad.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
October 11 2013 22:56 GMT
#2709
On October 12 2013 07:51 DMXD wrote:
with the way flash is playing
drg should destroy flash and move on =(


NEVER STOP BELIEVING.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
October 11 2013 22:57 GMT
#2710
On October 12 2013 07:55 unigolyn wrote:
"2 in each is much more efficient than 3 in one".

Amazing arithmetic there by Kaelaris.

i think he said "... more efficient than 3 and one"
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
October 11 2013 22:57 GMT
#2711
On October 12 2013 07:55 Darkhoarse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 07:54 Dodgin wrote:
Revival has to win the tournament so I have an excuse to ragequit sc2 spectating and do something tangible with my free time

Why didn't you do that after Shanghai?


Because if Revival wins this tournament he will pass Mvp on WCS points which may potentially knock him out of Blizzcon, all thanks to a questionable free spot in the tournament because he's a REPLACEMENT.

I don't really hate revival, just how lucky he is getting.
Prog455
Profile Joined April 2012
Denmark970 Posts
October 11 2013 22:57 GMT
#2712
On October 12 2013 07:50 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 07:47 Prog455 wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:43 Qikz wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:41 stuchiu wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:38 Qikz wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:36 stuchiu wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:34 Qikz wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:29 NovemberstOrm wrote:
so much whine it's quite pathetic tbh.


Well when someone wins a game that they really wouldn't have if Mech wasn't so freaking awful in SC2 then maybe I wouldn't be complaining. He couldn't split up his army to defend his bases due to the fact tanks are god damned terrible and it means the zerg can just run around you for free all game long just killing bases you can't defend with anything. They then force it to a low econ game despite being hugely behind and just win with vipers. Without the vipers Curios was down and dead long before.

He played whack-a-mole thanks to the immobility of mech and completely abused the fact you can't defend your bases with anything or your army gets rolled over. I'm not sure what's so great about that. It's like winning a kick-boxing match against a man with no legs and claiming an amazing victory.


It was pretty amazing.


I just think thanks to the handicap Flash set himself by going mech, that pretty much any pro-zerg player could have won from that situation. Curious really didn't do anything all that amazing, his entire victory revolved around him keeping 4 units alive, which as casters really isn't all that difficult.


Curious survived a death push early on after an early deficet with patience. He saw an army that he couldn't fight push at him after it was 3 base vs 3 base and he sacced his natural and his main to give himself a fighting chance. (An example of his brilliant decision making and Flash's bad one - he should have chased down the army). Flash made the mistake of not getting a second reactor starport and pumping vikings, but thats on him not Curious.


Maybe my judgement is being blinded by being constantly shat on for wanting mech to actually be viable in SC2 as well as being a massive Flash fanboy who's upset that he can't seem to show his true potential in SC2 (which is also probably down to the fact his mech was so amazing to watch in BW) and I'm sorry if it is, but I really disagree with you. Even with a second starport there's very little Flash could have done to kill the vipers. Most of the vikings would either get abducted or killed by the hydras as the vipers retreated.


I really don't think this is true, but even if it were, Flash still showed very poor decision making. As already mentioned Flash should have gone for the army, not the main base during his big push. Furthermore Flash was constantly losing chunks of his army because he didn't manage to keep it together.


That's the issue. If you can't split your army with mech (I realise this isn't entirely what you're talking about) you can't deal with people just running in and killing all your bases. For mech to work properly you need to be able to split your army slightly to have a chance of dealing with that, but it's just not possible.

The issue that game wasn't the vipers, it was the fact he couldn't stop a dead zerg just running in and killing anything since leaving units at home (atleast enough to make a bloody difference (5 tanks in BW could probably hold a base)) just leaves your main army worthless.


I agree that Tanks in general fare very poorly in small numbers, but in this game the problem in this game were that Flash would often times leave one or two Tanks so far away from his army that they were free to pick off. It is a huge problem that Mech is the most immobile composition in the game, while still being fairly weak in a head to head engagement, but in this game Flash just didn't utilize Mech to its fullest, while Curious played brilliant.

A major turning point in the game was during Flash's biggest push where he ended up losing almost his whole army. The problem here was that half of his army did nothing at all, while the other half were dealing damage to Curious' main. If he had instead just gone directly for the third he would problably have won the game.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
October 11 2013 22:57 GMT
#2713
On October 12 2013 07:56 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 07:54 stuchiu wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:53 Doublemint wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:52 KelsierSC wrote:
Man so many good zergs in this tournament. I think only Hero/Naniwa can stop a ZvZ final.

Not that the ZvZ final would be bad, any combination of Hyun, Curious, Life and DRG would be amazing


Sorry, ZvZ final is always bad.


Leenock vs Life and DRG vs Life were great.


I'm sorry I can't remember Leenock vs Life, I must have been in a coma from July 2012 to March 2013. That or all the ZvZ finals blended together in my memories. The only thing I remember about Iron Squid is that Life won 4 games in a row and DRG fans got really sad.


MLG Fall 2012?

Was super epic. Especially the Cloud Kingdom game where Leenock came back from a big deficit
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 11 2013 22:57 GMT
#2714
On October 12 2013 07:54 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 07:52 KelsierSC wrote:
Man so many good zergs in this tournament. I think only Hero/Naniwa can stop a ZvZ final.

Not that the ZvZ final would be bad, any combination of Hyun, Curious, Life and DRG would be amazing


sOs/San can beat most of these zergs.


Yeh probably I just haven't seen those two play this tournament so they didn't enter my mind but you are absolutely right, both fantastic protoss players. sOs probably a favourite to take the whole thing
Zerg for Life
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8642 Posts
October 11 2013 22:57 GMT
#2715
well that does not look good for HuK...
in the age of "Person, Woman, Man, Camera, TV" leadership.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
October 11 2013 22:57 GMT
#2716
Way too overaggressive by Huk.
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 11 2013 22:58 GMT
#2717
Game music sound louder than casters?!
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
October 11 2013 22:58 GMT
#2718
Why can't the sound team just not touch shit when it's working properly?
Refer to my post.
unigolyn
Profile Joined August 2013
Estonia1272 Posts
October 11 2013 22:58 GMT
#2719
On October 12 2013 07:57 Black Gun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 07:55 unigolyn wrote:
"2 in each is much more efficient than 3 in one".

Amazing arithmetic there by Kaelaris.

i think he said "... more efficient than 3 and one"


Either way, it's not MUCH more efficient, just slightly so.
Show me what passes for fury amongst your misbegotten kind.
DwD
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden8621 Posts
October 11 2013 22:58 GMT
#2720
NASL sound guy woke up and wanted to watch Jaws
~ T-ARA ~ DREAMCATCHER ~ EVERGLOW ~ OH MY GIRL ~ DIA ~ BOL4 ~ CHUNGHA ~
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