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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 11 2013 22:46 GMT
#2661
On October 12 2013 07:45 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 07:43 Darkhoarse wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:42 stuchiu wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:39 Dodgin wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:37 stuchiu wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:37 Dodgin wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:35 stuchiu wrote:
San did it. He just Mc'd Revival out of a game where Revival was up 60 supply and 4 bases to 2.


This is karma for his free spot in the tournament.


Revival must die so that I don't have to write something about him for Blizzcon. I'm all out of material.


I have a good idea for how to describe Alive and Revival, " the replacements ".


Small game hunters. They went into the American wilderness to hunt down squirrels.

AND THEN ALIVE BEAT THE WCS KR CHAMP AT SEASON FINALS PLS LEAVE THEM ALONE TT I'm dying here.


Its okay, if Alive plays against Innovation again, I'll bet on Alive.

Thanks appreciate that I'll write a glowing review of that writeup in the thread.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44375 Posts
October 11 2013 22:46 GMT
#2662
Another EG member taken down... hopefully HuK doesn't follow in Revival's footsteps :/
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
October 11 2013 22:46 GMT
#2663
On October 12 2013 07:46 Kasaraki wrote:
Revival simply can't handle San's manhood.


Neither can the ladies!
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Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
October 11 2013 22:47 GMT
#2664
Good guy San, finishing his game quickly so we can watch HuK vs sOs
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felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
October 11 2013 22:47 GMT
#2665
Will we see SoS get Huk'd?
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12204 Posts
October 11 2013 22:47 GMT
#2666
On October 12 2013 07:46 Daralii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 07:45 Nebuchad wrote:
it seems San often goes for oracle first in PvZ, but I've never seen him do a ton of damage with it (except that one game where he killed Life)

I wouldn't be surprised if it's mostly to deal with lots of lings so he can afford to go stalker heavy to deal with roaches.


That's quite smart actually, hadn't thought of that
No will to live, no wish to die
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44375 Posts
October 11 2013 22:47 GMT
#2667
On October 12 2013 07:44 Doublemint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 07:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
gogo HuK!


Indeed - HuK fighting!




Unfortunately, I'm thinking sOs will win :/
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 11 2013 22:47 GMT
#2668
On October 12 2013 07:45 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 07:44 Darkhoarse wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:43 Heartland wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:42 stuchiu wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:39 Dodgin wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:37 stuchiu wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:37 Dodgin wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:35 stuchiu wrote:
San did it. He just Mc'd Revival out of a game where Revival was up 60 supply and 4 bases to 2.


This is karma for his free spot in the tournament.


Revival must die so that I don't have to write something about him for Blizzcon. I'm all out of material.


I have a good idea for how to describe Alive and Revival, " the replacements ".


Small game hunters. They went into the American wilderness to hunt down squirrels.


Aren't they sort of like Merry and Pippin from Lord of the Rings? You know they're in the Fellowship, you know they do stuff and maybe some of it sorta mattered but half of the time you struggle to remember what their thing is, what they look like or what they're doing.

I know that it makes no sense for EG to be the Fellowship.

Merry and Pippin have awesome personality. And I say that as an Alive fanboy.


Alive and Revival did some relatively cute Proleague video I guess... I suppose that's kind of like hanging out with treemen.

Yeah I personally think they have personality just no one else does Their WCS AM interviews were pretty funny haha.
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packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
October 11 2013 22:47 GMT
#2669
oh, I didn't realize that the streams were different. >.<
dreaming of a sunny day
Prog455
Profile Joined April 2012
Denmark970 Posts
October 11 2013 22:47 GMT
#2670
On October 12 2013 07:43 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 07:41 stuchiu wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:38 Qikz wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:36 stuchiu wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:34 Qikz wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:29 NovemberstOrm wrote:
so much whine it's quite pathetic tbh.


Well when someone wins a game that they really wouldn't have if Mech wasn't so freaking awful in SC2 then maybe I wouldn't be complaining. He couldn't split up his army to defend his bases due to the fact tanks are god damned terrible and it means the zerg can just run around you for free all game long just killing bases you can't defend with anything. They then force it to a low econ game despite being hugely behind and just win with vipers. Without the vipers Curios was down and dead long before.

He played whack-a-mole thanks to the immobility of mech and completely abused the fact you can't defend your bases with anything or your army gets rolled over. I'm not sure what's so great about that. It's like winning a kick-boxing match against a man with no legs and claiming an amazing victory.


It was pretty amazing.


I just think thanks to the handicap Flash set himself by going mech, that pretty much any pro-zerg player could have won from that situation. Curious really didn't do anything all that amazing, his entire victory revolved around him keeping 4 units alive, which as casters really isn't all that difficult.


Curious survived a death push early on after an early deficet with patience. He saw an army that he couldn't fight push at him after it was 3 base vs 3 base and he sacced his natural and his main to give himself a fighting chance. (An example of his brilliant decision making and Flash's bad one - he should have chased down the army). Flash made the mistake of not getting a second reactor starport and pumping vikings, but thats on him not Curious.


Maybe my judgement is being blinded by being constantly shat on for wanting mech to actually be viable in SC2 as well as being a massive Flash fanboy who's upset that he can't seem to show his true potential in SC2 (which is also probably down to the fact his mech was so amazing to watch in BW) and I'm sorry if it is, but I really disagree with you. Even with a second starport there's very little Flash could have done to kill the vipers. Most of the vikings would either get abducted or killed by the hydras as the vipers retreated.


I really don't think this is true, but even if it were, Flash still showed very poor decision making. As already mentioned Flash should have gone for the army, not the main base during his big push. Furthermore Flash was constantly losing chunks of his army because he didn't manage to keep it together.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44375 Posts
October 11 2013 22:48 GMT
#2671
On October 12 2013 07:47 felisconcolori wrote:
Will we see SoS get Huk'd?


Or even funnier, Hyuked? ^^
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
October 11 2013 22:48 GMT
#2672
Please bring back "Kaelaris teaches ToD english" casts.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 11 2013 22:48 GMT
#2673
On October 12 2013 07:46 ZAiNs wrote:
ZAiNs PvZ Notes:
- Don't take a third base.

Naniwa's PvZ Notes:
- Always take a third base.
- Do it without any units.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8541 Posts
October 11 2013 22:48 GMT
#2674
On October 12 2013 07:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 07:44 Doublemint wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
gogo HuK!


Indeed - HuK fighting!




Unfortunately, I'm thinking sOs will win :/


Overall SoS should be the better player, but in PvP I feel HuK can work his magic.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44375 Posts
October 11 2013 22:49 GMT
#2675
On October 12 2013 07:47 packrat386 wrote:
oh, I didn't realize that the streams were different. >.<


lmao. I hope that's just because they were running commercials when you opened them, and then insta-muted one or something? Or did you just open up one, assuming the other was the same?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-11 22:51:15
October 11 2013 22:49 GMT
#2676
On October 12 2013 07:43 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 07:41 stuchiu wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:38 Qikz wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:36 stuchiu wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:34 Qikz wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:29 NovemberstOrm wrote:
so much whine it's quite pathetic tbh.


Well when someone wins a game that they really wouldn't have if Mech wasn't so freaking awful in SC2 then maybe I wouldn't be complaining. He couldn't split up his army to defend his bases due to the fact tanks are god damned terrible and it means the zerg can just run around you for free all game long just killing bases you can't defend with anything. They then force it to a low econ game despite being hugely behind and just win with vipers. Without the vipers Curios was down and dead long before.

He played whack-a-mole thanks to the immobility of mech and completely abused the fact you can't defend your bases with anything or your army gets rolled over. I'm not sure what's so great about that. It's like winning a kick-boxing match against a man with no legs and claiming an amazing victory.


It was pretty amazing.


I just think thanks to the handicap Flash set himself by going mech, that pretty much any pro-zerg player could have won from that situation. Curious really didn't do anything all that amazing, his entire victory revolved around him keeping 4 units alive, which as casters really isn't all that difficult.


Curious survived a death push early on after an early deficet with patience. He saw an army that he couldn't fight push at him after it was 3 base vs 3 base and he sacced his natural and his main to give himself a fighting chance. (An example of his brilliant decision making and Flash's bad one - he should have chased down the army). Flash made the mistake of not getting a second reactor starport and pumping vikings, but thats on him not Curious.


Maybe my judgement is being blinded by being constantly shat on for wanting mech to actually be viable in SC2 as well as being a massive Flash fanboy who's upset that he can't seem to show his true potential in SC2 (which is also probably down to the fact his mech was so amazing to watch in BW) and I'm sorry if it is, but I really disagree with you. Even with a second starport there's very little Flash could have done to kill the vipers. Most of the vikings would either get abducted or killed by the hydras as the vipers retreated.


I think I'm just looking at the way Curious thought about the game. He was behind early on and through most of the mid stages as well, but he made all of the decisions he needed to for a victory. I still think with only 4 vipers, 3 bases against 1, if Flash had say the patience of Gumiho he would have waited till he got an overwhelming amount of vikings while denying Curious more bases, but he didn't and he did his Flash thing of constantly attacking and Curious punished him for his mindset.

I guess the difference is that you think Curious had an inherent advantage over Flash because Flash went mech and mech is inherently disadvantaged against Zerg hive tech, while I see it as Curious did everything he could to out think Flash and use the game mechanics while Flash didn't.
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ImperialFist
Profile Joined April 2013
790 Posts
October 11 2013 22:49 GMT
#2677
I hope I never have to see sc2 mech again ever. yuck
"In the name of Holy Terra I challenge, Take up arms, for the Emperor’s Justice falls on you!"
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 11 2013 22:49 GMT
#2678
Let's standardize the sOs capitalization in the thread. It's sOs. Big O.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44375 Posts
October 11 2013 22:50 GMT
#2679
On October 12 2013 07:48 Doublemint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 07:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:44 Doublemint wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
gogo HuK!


Indeed - HuK fighting!




Unfortunately, I'm thinking sOs will win :/


Overall SoS should be the better player, but in PvP I feel HuK can work his magic.


Yeah HuK's definitely capable of upsetting sOs...probably with some rage-inducing cheese ^^
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
October 11 2013 22:50 GMT
#2680
On October 12 2013 07:47 Prog455 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 07:43 Qikz wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:41 stuchiu wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:38 Qikz wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:36 stuchiu wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:34 Qikz wrote:
On October 12 2013 07:29 NovemberstOrm wrote:
so much whine it's quite pathetic tbh.


Well when someone wins a game that they really wouldn't have if Mech wasn't so freaking awful in SC2 then maybe I wouldn't be complaining. He couldn't split up his army to defend his bases due to the fact tanks are god damned terrible and it means the zerg can just run around you for free all game long just killing bases you can't defend with anything. They then force it to a low econ game despite being hugely behind and just win with vipers. Without the vipers Curios was down and dead long before.

He played whack-a-mole thanks to the immobility of mech and completely abused the fact you can't defend your bases with anything or your army gets rolled over. I'm not sure what's so great about that. It's like winning a kick-boxing match against a man with no legs and claiming an amazing victory.


It was pretty amazing.


I just think thanks to the handicap Flash set himself by going mech, that pretty much any pro-zerg player could have won from that situation. Curious really didn't do anything all that amazing, his entire victory revolved around him keeping 4 units alive, which as casters really isn't all that difficult.


Curious survived a death push early on after an early deficet with patience. He saw an army that he couldn't fight push at him after it was 3 base vs 3 base and he sacced his natural and his main to give himself a fighting chance. (An example of his brilliant decision making and Flash's bad one - he should have chased down the army). Flash made the mistake of not getting a second reactor starport and pumping vikings, but thats on him not Curious.


Maybe my judgement is being blinded by being constantly shat on for wanting mech to actually be viable in SC2 as well as being a massive Flash fanboy who's upset that he can't seem to show his true potential in SC2 (which is also probably down to the fact his mech was so amazing to watch in BW) and I'm sorry if it is, but I really disagree with you. Even with a second starport there's very little Flash could have done to kill the vipers. Most of the vikings would either get abducted or killed by the hydras as the vipers retreated.


I really don't think this is true, but even if it were, Flash still showed very poor decision making. As already mentioned Flash should have gone for the army, not the main base during his big push. Furthermore Flash was constantly losing chunks of his army because he didn't manage to keep it together.


That's the issue. If you can't split your army with mech (I realise this isn't entirely what you're talking about) you can't deal with people just running in and killing all your bases. For mech to work properly you need to be able to split your army slightly to have a chance of dealing with that, but it's just not possible.

The issue that game wasn't the vipers, it was the fact he couldn't stop a dead zerg just running in and killing anything since leaving units at home (atleast enough to make a bloody difference (5 tanks in BW could probably hold a base)) just leaves your main army worthless.
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