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On October 09 2013 19:38 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 19:38 gingerfluffmuff wrote:On October 09 2013 19:37 Aunvilgod wrote:
nerf spores pls. Roach vs Roach is unbearable. This. Such a cheap, idiotic move to force the matchup being different from BW. Nah, it was good. Now there are at least other possible builds than muta.
Because we see so much muta play lately.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Oh my that guy was handsome ahahah, gtfo making us nerds look pretty xD
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as a straight guy i have to ask who that handsome nerd was, wtf
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On October 09 2013 19:38 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 19:38 gingerfluffmuff wrote:On October 09 2013 19:37 Aunvilgod wrote:
nerf spores pls. Roach vs Roach is unbearable. This. Such a cheap, idiotic move to force the matchup being different from BW. Nah, it was good. Now there are at least other possible builds than muta.
Spore got one buff to much imo. (they were buffed 2 times iirc)
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On October 09 2013 19:37 Salient wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 19:33 RESOqub wrote:On October 09 2013 19:17 Undead1993 wrote:On October 09 2013 19:16 BlackCompany wrote:On October 09 2013 19:15 Undead1993 wrote:
how does it come that when a toss wins a series agaisnt t the thread is full of whine about this and that, but if a terran wins everyone says how good of a game it was? these terrans damn. Because in all Terran victories there was never whining about the widow mine or marines or anything Right if you look closer, you can see i am talking about pvt PvT is an atrocious matchup at the moment since the nexus cannon removed most of the cheese and the timing innovation within the matchup for terran. It has become a game of Protoss cheese whackamole (all of which are far stronger than Terran cheese) followed by either a pre-storm SCV pull or a slow death animation for the Terran. When a Terran wins PvT, it is legitimately because they were the better player. When a Protoss wins, you can't always be sure that is true (though it frequently is true). Thus far Blizzard have shown no intention of changing the matchup so it is more entertaining or more enjoyable to play for Terrans. Of course the obvious route is to make siege tanks viable in the match up, especially since they are by far the most interesting unit Terrans have and opens up a great deal more strategies. ZvT suffers from a similar problem in that the zerg is forced into a composition by the strength of certain Terran units (namely widow mines). However there is something of a balance in this in that the widow mines are forced into the composition due to the strength of mutalisks. The cheese isn't too effected and there's still a ton of openings in the matchup. The same thing needs to happen there - widow mines and mutalisks need a reasonable nerf and then the matchup can start opening out again. Less tears, more learning: http://day9.tv/d/Day9/day9-daily-641-mma-vs-mc/
Watching the series of Jjakji vs Trap is far more helpful.
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
i like zvz up to when the free units come in, haha
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On October 09 2013 19:37 Salient wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 19:33 RESOqub wrote:On October 09 2013 19:17 Undead1993 wrote:On October 09 2013 19:16 BlackCompany wrote:On October 09 2013 19:15 Undead1993 wrote:
how does it come that when a toss wins a series agaisnt t the thread is full of whine about this and that, but if a terran wins everyone says how good of a game it was? these terrans damn. Because in all Terran victories there was never whining about the widow mine or marines or anything Right if you look closer, you can see i am talking about pvt PvT is an atrocious matchup at the moment since the nexus cannon removed most of the cheese and the timing innovation within the matchup for terran. It has become a game of Protoss cheese whackamole (all of which are far stronger than Terran cheese) followed by either a pre-storm SCV pull or a slow death animation for the Terran. When a Terran wins PvT, it is legitimately because they were the better player. When a Protoss wins, you can't always be sure that is true (though it frequently is true). Thus far Blizzard have shown no intention of changing the matchup so it is more entertaining or more enjoyable to play for Terrans. Of course the obvious route is to make siege tanks viable in the match up, especially since they are by far the most interesting unit Terrans have and opens up a great deal more strategies. ZvT suffers from a similar problem in that the zerg is forced into a composition by the strength of certain Terran units (namely widow mines). However there is something of a balance in this in that the widow mines are forced into the composition due to the strength of mutalisks. The cheese isn't too effected and there's still a ton of openings in the matchup. The same thing needs to happen there - widow mines and mutalisks need a reasonable nerf and then the matchup can start opening out again. Less tears, more learning: http://day9.tv/d/Day9/day9-daily-641-mma-vs-mc/
I watched MMA vs MC and it was just MMA completely outclassing MC in every way in the same way Thorzain did in his first series.
It's not tears or crying. It's just a simple statement of fact. TvP sucks. It needs changes so it can become a more interesting matchup, both to watch and to play. The same is true of ZvT.
Maybe this doesn't compute with some of you, but some of us want to see a more interesting, more varied game with lots of strategies. TvP has been the same thing for THREE GODDAMN YEARS. Enough already.
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On October 09 2013 19:40 Aunvilgod wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 19:38 Heartland wrote:On October 09 2013 19:38 gingerfluffmuff wrote:On October 09 2013 19:37 Aunvilgod wrote:
nerf spores pls. Roach vs Roach is unbearable. This. Such a cheap, idiotic move to force the matchup being different from BW. Nah, it was good. Now there are at least other possible builds than muta. Because we see so much muta play lately.
According to Artosis it's still popular in Korea. I don't watch much ZvZ so I can't speak to that, but when I play I still see muta play.
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On October 09 2013 19:40 Pandemona wrote:
Oh my that guy was handsome ahahah, gtfo making us nerds look pretty xD
Follow him at @ElvisPresleySC2.
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I found something common with Artosis in those guy Oo
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On October 09 2013 19:38 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 19:37 NightOfTheDead wrote:On October 09 2013 19:35 opterown wrote:On October 09 2013 19:33 NightOfTheDead wrote:On October 09 2013 19:32 opterown wrote:On October 09 2013 19:30 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
I woke up late, can I get a quick run down of the Dear/Maru series? Not from some whining Terran, pls thanks game 4 was maru failing a 11/11 rax Game 4 was maru panic mode wtf 11/11 with Fantasy GG timing. Worth the watch. maru has balls of steel, that same 11/11 when down a few games won him an OSL You don't pull SCVs when you have ball of steel. tell that to bomber
You mean 2 base SCV pull?
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On October 09 2013 19:41 WigglingSquid wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 19:40 Pandemona wrote:
Oh my that guy was handsome ahahah, gtfo making us nerds look pretty xD Follow him at @EvilPresleySC2. + Show Spoiler +
I almost gave you TL+ for that.
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On October 09 2013 19:40 gingerfluffmuff wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 19:38 Heartland wrote:On October 09 2013 19:38 gingerfluffmuff wrote:On October 09 2013 19:37 Aunvilgod wrote:
nerf spores pls. Roach vs Roach is unbearable. This. Such a cheap, idiotic move to force the matchup being different from BW. Nah, it was good. Now there are at least other possible builds than muta. Spore got one buff to much imo.
Man I thought it was just 2x damage vs mutas, but looking it up it's 3x? It's bad enough having special damage vs a particular unit (shows bad game balance design), but having such a radical bonus is just ridiculous.
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Poll: When is the curse going to kick in?Curse is broken and the end is near. (3) 43% This game. (2) 29% Next game. (2) 29% 7 total votes Your vote: When is the curse going to kick in? (Vote): This game.
(Vote): Next game.
(Vote): Curse is broken and the end is near.
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On October 09 2013 19:41 NightOfTheDead wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 19:38 opterown wrote:On October 09 2013 19:37 NightOfTheDead wrote:On October 09 2013 19:35 opterown wrote:On October 09 2013 19:33 NightOfTheDead wrote:On October 09 2013 19:32 opterown wrote:On October 09 2013 19:30 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
I woke up late, can I get a quick run down of the Dear/Maru series? Not from some whining Terran, pls thanks game 4 was maru failing a 11/11 rax Game 4 was maru panic mode wtf 11/11 with Fantasy GG timing. Worth the watch. maru has balls of steel, that same 11/11 when down a few games won him an OSL You don't pull SCVs when you have ball of steel. tell that to bomber You mean 2 base SCV pull?
don't be an idiot
when the scv pulls work, the terran looks like a genius, when it doesn't he looks like a retard. you're hardly one to judge what went through maru's mind.
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Hehe, this just reminds me of Day9 plays amnesia.
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The butcher fucked up my childhood, too
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btw is signs really worth watching? or does someone have another good scary movie, looking for one. :D
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The Omen is the most scary movie imo. Atleast if you watch it at the age of 13
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On October 09 2013 19:42 rothsbury wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 19:40 gingerfluffmuff wrote:On October 09 2013 19:38 Heartland wrote:On October 09 2013 19:38 gingerfluffmuff wrote:On October 09 2013 19:37 Aunvilgod wrote:
nerf spores pls. Roach vs Roach is unbearable. This. Such a cheap, idiotic move to force the matchup being different from BW. Nah, it was good. Now there are at least other possible builds than muta. Spore got one buff to much imo. Man I thought it was just 2x damage vs mutas, but looking it up it's 3x? It's bad enough having special damage vs a particular unit (shows bad game balance design), but having such a radical bonus is just ridiculous.
Well it used to be infestors that dealt with mutas. With how fast mutas are right now it'd be a bit of a crapshoot to land a fungal, but I'm not sure it's worth shittifying 2 matchups to save 1.
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