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ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12436 Posts
October 09 2013 10:33 GMT
#821
I think soo can hold but let's see the micro and positioning
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
October 09 2013 10:33 GMT
#822
soOjwa already won, get out Soulkey
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RESOqub
Profile Joined September 2013
51 Posts
October 09 2013 10:33 GMT
#823
On October 09 2013 19:17 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 19:16 BlackCompany wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:15 Undead1993 wrote:
how does it come that when a toss wins a series agaisnt t the thread is full of whine about this and that, but if a terran wins everyone says how good of a game it was? these terrans damn.


Because in all Terran victories there was never whining about the widow mine or marines or anything

Right

if you look closer, you can see i am talking about pvt


PvT is an atrocious matchup at the moment since the nexus cannon removed most of the cheese and the timing innovation within the matchup for terran. It has become a game of Protoss cheese whackamole (all of which are far stronger than Terran cheese) followed by either a pre-storm SCV pull or a slow death animation for the Terran.

When a Terran wins PvT, it is legitimately because they were the better player. When a Protoss wins, you can't always be sure that is true (though it frequently is true). Thus far Blizzard have shown no intention of changing the matchup so it is more entertaining or more enjoyable to play for Terrans. Of course the obvious route is to make siege tanks viable in the match up, especially since they are by far the most interesting unit Terrans have and opens up a great deal more strategies.

ZvT suffers from a similar problem in that the zerg is forced into a composition by the strength of certain Terran units (namely widow mines). However there is something of a balance in this in that the widow mines are forced into the composition due to the strength of mutalisks. The cheese isn't too effected and there's still a ton of openings in the matchup. The same thing needs to happen there - widow mines and mutalisks need a reasonable nerf and then the matchup can start opening out again.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
October 09 2013 10:33 GMT
#824
soulkey soO dead
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
October 09 2013 10:33 GMT
#825
Fun fact. If you want to punish Soo's queen roach build, it is much better to just go for the 3 gas Targa mass ling bane bust.
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NightOfTheDead
Profile Joined August 2009
Lithuania1711 Posts
October 09 2013 10:33 GMT
#826
On October 09 2013 19:32 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 19:30 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
I woke up late, can I get a quick run down of the Dear/Maru series? Not from some whining Terran, pls thanks



game 4 was maru failing a 11/11 rax


Game 4 was maru panic mode wtf 11/11 with Fantasy GG timing. Worth the watch.
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
October 09 2013 10:34 GMT
#827
Nooooo. Why no ling/baneling all ins, damnit. I want some fun micro.
Long live the King of Wings
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
October 09 2013 10:34 GMT
#828
soO Good.
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
October 09 2013 10:34 GMT
#829
Failed 11/11 is exactly how I wanted maru to be eliminated :D
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 09 2013 10:34 GMT
#830
I'm guessing that all in is really good vs muta builds.
Zerg for Life
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
October 09 2013 10:34 GMT
#831
On October 09 2013 19:33 NightOfTheDead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 19:32 opterown wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:30 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
I woke up late, can I get a quick run down of the Dear/Maru series? Not from some whining Terran, pls thanks



game 4 was maru failing a 11/11 rax


Game 4 was maru panic mode wtf 11/11 with Fantasy GG timing. Worth the watch.

I was going to describe it as a filthy protoss heathen using overpowered micro to brutally murder great Maru of Prime.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
October 09 2013 10:35 GMT
#832
On October 09 2013 19:33 NightOfTheDead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 19:32 opterown wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:30 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
I woke up late, can I get a quick run down of the Dear/Maru series? Not from some whining Terran, pls thanks



game 4 was maru failing a 11/11 rax


Game 4 was maru panic mode wtf 11/11 with Fantasy GG timing. Worth the watch.

maru has balls of steel, that same 11/11 when down a few games won him an OSL
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-09 10:35:43
October 09 2013 10:35 GMT
#833
On October 09 2013 19:32 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 19:30 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
I woke up late, can I get a quick run down of the Dear/Maru series? Not from some whining Terran, pls thanks

game 1 was a relatively passive macro game. maru did some nice drops in the midgame, but he bungled the important engagement near his 3rd and lost to some carpet storms.

game 2 was dear getting a nice lead with oracles, but maru came back with some nice drops and micro, pulling dear apart.

game 3 was maru going 4reapers and failing to scout the blink allin (maru thought it was DTs). game pretty over

game 4 was maru failing a 11/11 rax


ok thanks! sounds like it was...a somewhat interesting series then

On October 09 2013 19:33 RESOqub wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 19:17 Undead1993 wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:16 BlackCompany wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:15 Undead1993 wrote:
how does it come that when a toss wins a series agaisnt t the thread is full of whine about this and that, but if a terran wins everyone says how good of a game it was? these terrans damn.


Because in all Terran victories there was never whining about the widow mine or marines or anything

Right

if you look closer, you can see i am talking about pvt


PvT is an atrocious matchup at the moment since the nexus cannon removed most of the cheese and the timing innovation within the matchup for terran. It has become a game of Protoss cheese whackamole (all of which are far stronger than Terran cheese) followed by either a pre-storm SCV pull or a slow death animation for the Terran.

When a Terran wins PvT, it is legitimately because they were the better player. When a Protoss wins, you can't always be sure that is true (though it frequently is true). Thus far Blizzard have shown no intention of changing the matchup so it is more entertaining or more enjoyable to play for Terrans. Of course the obvious route is to make siege tanks viable in the match up, especially since they are by far the most interesting unit Terrans have and opens up a great deal more strategies.

ZvT suffers from a similar problem in that the zerg is forced into a composition by the strength of certain Terran units (namely widow mines). However there is something of a balance in this in that the widow mines are forced into the composition due to the strength of mutalisks. The cheese isn't too effected and there's still a ton of openings in the matchup. The same thing needs to happen there - widow mines and mutalisks need a reasonable nerf and then the matchup can start opening out again.


lol
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Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
October 09 2013 10:36 GMT
#834
Boooo
Hello
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
October 09 2013 10:36 GMT
#835
Poll: Recommend Soulkey vs. soO Game 1?

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (10)
 
43%

★★★- Good game (6)
 
26%

★★★★★- One of the best games this season (3)
 
13%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (3)
 
13%

★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
 
4%

23 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Soulkey vs. soO Game 1?

(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what

ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
October 09 2013 10:36 GMT
#836
It is happening
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
October 09 2013 10:36 GMT
#837
Recap Game 1!
(Z)Soulkey vs (Z)soO
(Wiki)Polar Night

Soulkey Spawns South
SoO Spawns North

Both going for 15hatch
Soulkey goes 16Gas then 16Pool
SoO goes 16SP then 16Gas
Both players start speed at the same time
No, SoO cancels his Speed and makes 2 more queens and a SC
Soulkey puts down a bane nest at his natural
Evo Roach warren and queen block at the natural of SoO
2 banes and 12lings being made for Soulkey
Soulkey now producing 12 roaches
SoO miles in front with drone count but hasn't got the army out....yet
10 roaches on its way for SoO +1 range attack nearly done as well, his lair complete and roach speed also halfway done
Soulkey goes for the push! 1 of the 2 banes sniped straight away, 4 queens transfusing SoO roaches...he should hold!
Yeah he does relatively comfortably.
Soulkey backs away 20 supply down and 6 drones behind.
+1 attack is done and he pushes into Soulkey natural
Soo does damage, but he has to back out whilst his other roaches are streaming down the map
SoO starts +2 ranged attack and Soulkey begins roach speed
SoO is pushing 2 queens down the map sniping overlords as well as he prepares to push the natural again of Soulkey
In he goes and gets a nice concave!
This one is OVER! No contest with +1 vs 0-0-0

(Z)Soulkey 0-1 (Z)soO

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Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
October 09 2013 10:36 GMT
#838
while it would be funny to see soO win and go to the finals, Soulkey vs Dear would be a wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better finals. Either Dear wins aka protoss gets a win, or Soulkey gets a second GSL win. I'd be happy with either outcome.

..just need Soulkey to win this match.. :3
@QxGDarkCell ._.
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
October 09 2013 10:36 GMT
#839
The cataclysm is nigh.
trwkling
Profile Joined September 2011
658 Posts
October 09 2013 10:36 GMT
#840
soO! xD
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