• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 04:38
CET 09:38
KST 17:38
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT29Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled3Blizzard Classic Cup - Tastosis announced as captains12Weekly Cups (March 2-8): ByuN overcomes PvT block4GSL CK - New online series18BSL Season 224
StarCraft 2
General
Terran AddOns placement BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced Blizzard Classic Cup - Tastosis announced as captains Team Liquid Map Contest - Preparation Notice
Tourneys
[GSL CK] Team Maru vs. Team herO WardiTV Team League Season 10 Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026] Map Editor closed ?
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 516 Specter of Death Mutation # 515 Together Forever Mutation # 514 Ulnar New Year
Brood War
General
ASL21 General Discussion BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Gypsy to Korea Are you ready for ASL 21? Hype VIDEO
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL22] Open Qualifiers & Ladder Tours IPSL Spring 2026 is here! ASL Season 21 Qualifiers March 7-8
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Fighting Spirit mining rates Zealot bombing is no longer popular?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread PC Games Sales Thread Path of Exile No Man's Sky (PS4 and PC) Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Mexico's Drug War Russo-Ukrainian War Thread NASA and the Private Sector Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread General nutrition recommendations Cricket [SPORT] TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
Gaming-Related Deaths
TrAiDoS
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2822 users

[Code S] Semi-Finals WCS Korea GSL Season 3 2013 - Page 43

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 41 42 43 44 45 74 Next
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24593 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-09 10:37:04
October 09 2013 10:36 GMT
#841
Thanks for the recaps, Pan
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
October 09 2013 10:37 GMT
#842
nerf spores pls. Roach vs Roach is unbearable.
ilovegroov | Blizzards mapmaker(s?) suck ass | #1 Protoss hater
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
October 09 2013 10:37 GMT
#843
Well that was just a terrible game xD
(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) ~Keep calm and inject Larva~
oriontr
Profile Joined July 2013
Turkey120 Posts
October 09 2013 10:37 GMT
#844
so solid i hope next game gonna be better...
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
October 09 2013 10:37 GMT
#845
On October 09 2013 19:36 opterown wrote:
Poll: Recommend Soulkey vs. soO Game 1?

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (10)
 
43%

★★★- Good game (6)
 
26%

★★★★★- One of the best games this season (3)
 
13%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (3)
 
13%

★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
 
4%

23 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Soulkey vs. soO Game 1?

(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what


ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
October 09 2013 10:37 GMT
#846
I struggle to understand why anyone likes soo, but it seems like he has a decent amount of support. is it pity on skt zergs or something?
NightOfTheDead
Profile Joined August 2009
Lithuania1711 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-09 10:38:23
October 09 2013 10:37 GMT
#847
On October 09 2013 19:35 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 19:33 NightOfTheDead wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:32 opterown wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:30 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
I woke up late, can I get a quick run down of the Dear/Maru series? Not from some whining Terran, pls thanks



game 4 was maru failing a 11/11 rax


Game 4 was maru panic mode wtf 11/11 with Fantasy GG timing. Worth the watch.

maru has balls of steel, that same 11/11 when down a few games won him an OSL


You don't pull SCVs when you have ball of steel. When you panic, you do.
Salient
Profile Joined August 2011
United States876 Posts
October 09 2013 10:37 GMT
#848
On October 09 2013 19:33 RESOqub wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 19:17 Undead1993 wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:16 BlackCompany wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:15 Undead1993 wrote:
how does it come that when a toss wins a series agaisnt t the thread is full of whine about this and that, but if a terran wins everyone says how good of a game it was? these terrans damn.


Because in all Terran victories there was never whining about the widow mine or marines or anything

Right

if you look closer, you can see i am talking about pvt


PvT is an atrocious matchup at the moment since the nexus cannon removed most of the cheese and the timing innovation within the matchup for terran. It has become a game of Protoss cheese whackamole (all of which are far stronger than Terran cheese) followed by either a pre-storm SCV pull or a slow death animation for the Terran.

When a Terran wins PvT, it is legitimately because they were the better player. When a Protoss wins, you can't always be sure that is true (though it frequently is true). Thus far Blizzard have shown no intention of changing the matchup so it is more entertaining or more enjoyable to play for Terrans. Of course the obvious route is to make siege tanks viable in the match up, especially since they are by far the most interesting unit Terrans have and opens up a great deal more strategies.

ZvT suffers from a similar problem in that the zerg is forced into a composition by the strength of certain Terran units (namely widow mines). However there is something of a balance in this in that the widow mines are forced into the composition due to the strength of mutalisks. The cheese isn't too effected and there's still a ton of openings in the matchup. The same thing needs to happen there - widow mines and mutalisks need a reasonable nerf and then the matchup can start opening out again.


Less tears, more learning: http://day9.tv/d/Day9/day9-daily-641-mma-vs-mc/
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
October 09 2013 10:38 GMT
#849
On October 09 2013 19:37 NightOfTheDead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 19:35 opterown wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:33 NightOfTheDead wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:32 opterown wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:30 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
I woke up late, can I get a quick run down of the Dear/Maru series? Not from some whining Terran, pls thanks



game 4 was maru failing a 11/11 rax


Game 4 was maru panic mode wtf 11/11 with Fantasy GG timing. Worth the watch.

maru has balls of steel, that same 11/11 when down a few games won him an OSL


You don't pull SCVs when you have ball of steel.

tell that to bomber
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
October 09 2013 10:38 GMT
#850
I actually really enjoyed that game. The speed cancel was pretty cool. Wonder if it was a fake out or if it was something he saw? Much more interesting for some reason than normal silly roach vs roach games
www.twitch.tv/krazy Best Stream Quality NA @KClarkSC2
gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
October 09 2013 10:38 GMT
#851
On October 09 2013 19:37 Aunvilgod wrote:
nerf spores pls. Roach vs Roach is unbearable.

This. Such a cheap, idiotic move to force the matchup being different from BW.
・゚✧:・゚+..。✧・゚:・..。 ✧・゚ :・゚ ゜・:・ ✧・゚:・゚:.。 ✧・゚ SPARKULING *・゜・:・゚✧:・゚✧。゚+..。 ✧・゚: ✧・゚:・゜・:・゚✧::・・:・゚・゚
Salient
Profile Joined August 2011
United States876 Posts
October 09 2013 10:38 GMT
#852
[SKT1]SoO FTW!!!
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 09 2013 10:38 GMT
#853
On October 09 2013 19:37 Aunvilgod wrote:
nerf spores pls. Roach vs Roach is unbearable.


I think before the spore nerf half of TL was complaining about muta v muta

I think Roach vs Roach is pretty interesting actually,
Zerg for Life
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24593 Posts
October 09 2013 10:38 GMT
#854
On October 09 2013 19:38 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 19:37 Aunvilgod wrote:
nerf spores pls. Roach vs Roach is unbearable.

This. Such a cheap, idiotic move to force the matchup being different from BW.


Nah, it was good. Now there are at least other possible builds than muta.
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
October 09 2013 10:38 GMT
#855
On October 09 2013 19:37 NightOfTheDead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 19:35 opterown wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:33 NightOfTheDead wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:32 opterown wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:30 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
I woke up late, can I get a quick run down of the Dear/Maru series? Not from some whining Terran, pls thanks



game 4 was maru failing a 11/11 rax


Game 4 was maru panic mode wtf 11/11 with Fantasy GG timing. Worth the watch.

maru has balls of steel, that same 11/11 when down a few games won him an OSL


You don't pull SCVs when you have ball of steel. When you panic, you do.

Tell that to Mvp.

And if you dare insinuate Mvp doesn't have balls of steel, I challenge you to a duel.
Long live the King of Wings
RESOqub
Profile Joined September 2013
51 Posts
October 09 2013 10:38 GMT
#856
On October 09 2013 19:35 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 19:32 opterown wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:30 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
I woke up late, can I get a quick run down of the Dear/Maru series? Not from some whining Terran, pls thanks

game 1 was a relatively passive macro game. maru did some nice drops in the midgame, but he bungled the important engagement near his 3rd and lost to some carpet storms.

game 2 was dear getting a nice lead with oracles, but maru came back with some nice drops and micro, pulling dear apart.

game 3 was maru going 4reapers and failing to scout the blink allin (maru thought it was DTs). game pretty over

game 4 was maru failing a 11/11 rax


ok thanks! sounds like it was...a somewhat interesting series then

Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 19:33 RESOqub wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:17 Undead1993 wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:16 BlackCompany wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:15 Undead1993 wrote:
how does it come that when a toss wins a series agaisnt t the thread is full of whine about this and that, but if a terran wins everyone says how good of a game it was? these terrans damn.


Because in all Terran victories there was never whining about the widow mine or marines or anything

Right

if you look closer, you can see i am talking about pvt


PvT is an atrocious matchup at the moment since the nexus cannon removed most of the cheese and the timing innovation within the matchup for terran. It has become a game of Protoss cheese whackamole (all of which are far stronger than Terran cheese) followed by either a pre-storm SCV pull or a slow death animation for the Terran.

When a Terran wins PvT, it is legitimately because they were the better player. When a Protoss wins, you can't always be sure that is true (though it frequently is true). Thus far Blizzard have shown no intention of changing the matchup so it is more entertaining or more enjoyable to play for Terrans. Of course the obvious route is to make siege tanks viable in the match up, especially since they are by far the most interesting unit Terrans have and opens up a great deal more strategies.

ZvT suffers from a similar problem in that the zerg is forced into a composition by the strength of certain Terran units (namely widow mines). However there is something of a balance in this in that the widow mines are forced into the composition due to the strength of mutalisks. The cheese isn't too effected and there's still a ton of openings in the matchup. The same thing needs to happen there - widow mines and mutalisks need a reasonable nerf and then the matchup can start opening out again.


lol


That was in reply to a previous post. What can I say, I had to get a shower :p
rothsbury
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia1654 Posts
October 09 2013 10:39 GMT
#857
On October 09 2013 19:37 Aunvilgod wrote:
nerf spores pls. Roach vs Roach is unbearable.

Blizz massively buffs mutas in HOTS for no good reason (just because widow mines were too strong I guess?), realises mutas are too strong so gives spores massive anti-muta bonus. Seems like a silly ad hoc way to do balance.
SoFrOsTy
Profile Joined December 2011
United States525 Posts
October 09 2013 10:39 GMT
#858
Have to point out, soO wouldn't have had those early queens with energy + lair timing and all that jazz if he didn't cancel the 100/100 upgrade. He would have had it, and maybe have held, but not as early. Was cool to see him completely skip ling speed.
Julyzerg ftw
gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
October 09 2013 10:39 GMT
#859
On October 09 2013 19:38 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 19:37 NightOfTheDead wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:35 opterown wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:33 NightOfTheDead wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:32 opterown wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:30 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
I woke up late, can I get a quick run down of the Dear/Maru series? Not from some whining Terran, pls thanks



game 4 was maru failing a 11/11 rax


Game 4 was maru panic mode wtf 11/11 with Fantasy GG timing. Worth the watch.

maru has balls of steel, that same 11/11 when down a few games won him an OSL


You don't pull SCVs when you have ball of steel.

tell that to bomber

You pull SCVs when you want to win. That should be the correct sentence.
・゚✧:・゚+..。✧・゚:・..。 ✧・゚ :・゚ ゜・:・ ✧・゚:・゚:.。 ✧・゚ SPARKULING *・゜・:・゚✧:・゚✧。゚+..。 ✧・゚: ✧・゚:・゜・:・゚✧::・・:・゚・゚
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12698 Posts
October 09 2013 10:39 GMT
#860
On October 09 2013 19:38 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 19:37 Aunvilgod wrote:
nerf spores pls. Roach vs Roach is unbearable.


I think before the spore nerf half of TL was complaining about muta v muta

I think Roach vs Roach is pretty interesting actually,

yup, I agree with, lots of depth with roach vs roach matchup actually
zvz is really enjoyable to watch for me
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Prev 1 41 42 43 44 45 74 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 15h 22m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SortOf 144
StarCraft: Brood War
actioN 205
Larva 203
sSak 144
EffOrt 114
Leta 93
Pusan 71
Backho 67
sorry 51
Nal_rA 37
ToSsGirL 27
[ Show more ]
NaDa 23
Bale 12
Dota 2
XaKoH 491
XcaliburYe68
League of Legends
JimRising 532
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K1055
m0e_tv735
shoxiejesuss500
oskar37
edward12
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor115
Other Games
ceh9539
Happy219
crisheroes193
Sick169
Hui .111
NeuroSwarm106
Fuzer 90
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream9120
Other Games
gamesdonequick938
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 14
• Response 1
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Stunt620
• HappyZerGling121
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
15h 22m
CranKy Ducklings
1d 1h
RSL Revival
1d 1h
MaxPax vs Rogue
Clem vs Bunny
WardiTV Team League
1d 3h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 8h
Patches Events
1d 8h
BSL
1d 11h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
ByuN vs SHIN
Maru vs Krystianer
WardiTV Team League
2 days
[ Show More ]
BSL
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
WardiTV Team League
4 days
GSL
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
WardiTV Team League
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-03-12
WardiTV Winter 2026
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
BSL Season 22
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

CSL Elite League 2026
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
2026 Changsha Offline CUP
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
CSLAN 4
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
NationLESS Cup
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.