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[WCS EU] RO32 Group H Premier Season 3 2013 - Page 10

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NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
September 18 2013 17:25 GMT
#181
Good play by Kas!
Moderatorlickypiddy
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12876 Posts
September 18 2013 17:25 GMT
#182
kas just roll'd stardust
kinda unexpected, stardust is a good player and PvT is kinda P favored. Gogo Kas
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-18 17:25:59
September 18 2013 17:25 GMT
#183
On September 19 2013 02:21 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 02:21 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On September 19 2013 02:19 lolfail9001 wrote:
On September 19 2013 02:18 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I feel like if you open with Innovation's 2 barracks fast stim build you just get in there and win the game against Stardust's build

not really with proper scouting IMO.


If you scout it you at least can't go that much tech off one gate

Does not his push out sacrifices something though (like delays factory without getting a really strong economy), i forget that bop game all the time.


I think it delays the ebay you'd get against DTs or oracle play but he just has units in his mineral lines to make up for it until he moves out. Factory timing I think is the same.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
September 18 2013 17:25 GMT
#184
On September 19 2013 02:23 Sated wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 02:22 NarutO wrote:
On September 19 2013 02:20 Plansix wrote:
On September 19 2013 02:19 ETisME wrote:
stardust soooooo greedy wow

Its how protoss roll until some terran figures out how to punish it. Its only a matter of time.


Someone might think the top Terrans would have found a way by now

Show nested quote +
Payam Toghyan ‏@iamTT1 4m
eu terran should open 4rax marine marau pressure to punish these openers, na style

Except Terran doesn't know if Protoss will play standard or take such a fast third, so 4 rax is just a miserable gamble which will horribly backfire against standard play.
lantz
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States762 Posts
September 18 2013 17:25 GMT
#185
WTF clearly Stardust is lagging like crazy from his korea gaming cafe. He doesn't usually lose to foreigners
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8760 Posts
September 18 2013 17:25 GMT
#186
On September 19 2013 02:22 HugzForL wrote:
Stardust's macro is so bad.


No, he just did not adapt correctly to Kas's build.
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
September 18 2013 17:25 GMT
#187
On September 19 2013 02:22 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 02:22 Sated wrote:
You can't take a third base that quickly against Speedivacs. You get torn to pieces.

Do not see StarDust getting torn yet.
Ouch, Kas failed his armory timing hard, right?


what are you watching then? he was torn apart by these medivacs like crazy, that's why kas had a 50 supply lead in the last engagement.
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
September 18 2013 17:25 GMT
#188
On September 19 2013 02:24 JustPassingBy wrote:
I see why Kas was fielded as an ace in ATC yesterday

Too bad VortiX isn't a Protoss.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2605 Posts
September 18 2013 17:26 GMT
#189
On September 19 2013 02:24 Extenz wrote:
i dont understand why stardust gets such a late storm.. -.-"

to be honest, I much prefer storm before colossi. At least it is harder to scv pull against storm and you get the benefit of being able to afford a *lot* of zealots for tanking
I am a dirty Protoss bullshit abuser
artrea
Profile Joined March 2011
Latvia3560 Posts
September 18 2013 17:26 GMT
#190
Heh, that mouse ad sounds like a console ad from the 1990s. 32bit, and so on..
moofang
Profile Joined June 2011
508 Posts
September 18 2013 17:26 GMT
#191
If there is KR-EU lag at all i dunno how one could win against that level of play. Great games by Kas.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 18 2013 17:27 GMT
#192
On September 19 2013 02:25 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 02:22 lolfail9001 wrote:
On September 19 2013 02:22 Sated wrote:
You can't take a third base that quickly against Speedivacs. You get torn to pieces.

Do not see StarDust getting torn yet.
Ouch, Kas failed his armory timing hard, right?


what are you watching then? he was torn apart by these medivacs like crazy, that's why kas had a 50 supply lead in the last engagement.

I missed probe killled count, but i would suppose if you go fast third and double forget collosi into templar archives you would have a serious supply deficit against MMM.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
September 18 2013 17:27 GMT
#193
On September 19 2013 02:24 Lorning wrote:
Poll: Recommend StarDust vs. Kas Game 2?

★★★- Good game (5)
 
42%

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (5)
 
42%

★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
 
8%

★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
 
8%

★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
 
0%

12 total votes

Your vote: Recommend StarDust vs. Kas Game 2?

(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season



Poll: Recommend StarDust vs. Kas Game 3?

★★★- Good game (7)
 
54%

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
 
23%

★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
 
8%

★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
 
8%

★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
 
8%

13 total votes

Your vote: Recommend StarDust vs. Kas Game 3?

(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season


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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 18 2013 17:27 GMT
#194
On September 19 2013 02:22 NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 02:20 Plansix wrote:
On September 19 2013 02:19 ETisME wrote:
stardust soooooo greedy wow

Its how protoss roll until some terran figures out how to punish it. Its only a matter of time.


Someone might think the top Terrans would have found a way by now

Nah, you are all super stubborn and hate change, like every other SC2 pro in the world. Someone puts in a new maps and everyone goes "Who moved my Cheese? I hate learning new maps! Wait, why can't I just do my standard builds? I have to learn/make up new build? Who moved my cheese?"

I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
September 18 2013 17:28 GMT
#195
On September 19 2013 02:26 moofang wrote:
If there is KR-EU lag at all i dunno how one could win against that level of play. Great games by Kas.

StarDust is in Switzerland. Do you mean overall ?
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-18 17:28:42
September 18 2013 17:28 GMT
#196
On September 19 2013 02:26 moofang wrote:
If there is KR-EU lag at all i dunno how one could win against that level of play. Great games by Kas.


KR-EU lag? Wasnt Stardust at Dreamhack 3 days ago and more importantly live in Switzerland?
ottosec
Profile Joined April 2013
505 Posts
September 18 2013 17:28 GMT
#197
On September 19 2013 02:26 moofang wrote:
If there is KR-EU lag at all i dunno how one could win against that level of play. Great games by Kas.


MC and Stardust are both in Europe.
SKT1-PartinG&Rain, MC
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
September 18 2013 17:29 GMT
#198
On September 19 2013 02:27 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 02:22 NarutO wrote:
On September 19 2013 02:20 Plansix wrote:
On September 19 2013 02:19 ETisME wrote:
stardust soooooo greedy wow

Its how protoss roll until some terran figures out how to punish it. Its only a matter of time.


Someone might think the top Terrans would have found a way by now

Nah, you are all super stubborn and hate change, like every other SC2 pro in the world. Someone puts in a new maps and everyone goes "Who moved my Cheese? I hate learning new maps! Wait, why can't I just do my standard builds? I have to learn/make up new build? Who moved my cheese?"



I feel charmed that you imply I am a top Terran. While I am not, I am pretty sure the top Terrans around the world are talking to their top Protoss counterparts and I am pretty sure that by now they have tried a ton of shit, but they stick to things they know will eventually work out or at least to a percentage work out (scv pull timings for instance). Do you really believe pros are not trying different shit?
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
September 18 2013 17:29 GMT
#199
On September 19 2013 02:22 NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 02:20 Plansix wrote:
On September 19 2013 02:19 ETisME wrote:
stardust soooooo greedy wow

Its how protoss roll until some terran figures out how to punish it. Its only a matter of time.


Someone might think the top Terrans would have found a way by now

The top terran singular. Taeja. He has
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
September 18 2013 17:30 GMT
#200
On September 19 2013 02:24 Sated wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 02:23 TheDwf wrote:
On September 19 2013 02:22 Sated wrote:
You can't take a third base that quickly against Speedivacs. You get torn to pieces.

Of course you can, watch the second series from First vs Polt at WCS global finals for instance. Stardust's build was bad (too middle-of-the-road), you have to take the third even earlier so it pays off.

I was speaking within the context of the Colossus opening he used... sorry if that wasn't clear...

First did go Colossi in one of the games along with his fast third. But going 7'50 third like Stardust just did makes little sense since the third has barely paid off by the time the Medivac push hits, while if you take it between 5'45 - 6'30 it's OK.
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