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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 19 2013 02:15 DarkLordOlli wrote: Stardust took a horrible engagement and missed a warpin round because he added the templar archives and three gates. Yeah, scv pull did not matter at all here IMO. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 19 2013 02:13 NarutO wrote: Not really. The MSC allows for the build that is as greedy without a option for Terran to really punish it. Ofcourse you can go 1-1-1 opening before expansion but those are essentially all-in / very gamblish or you can go minedrop after expansion but thats basically a scout nowadays. We saw Terrans earlier go for minedrop with 4 marines but since that does nothing really they nowadays drop either 1 mine or 2 mines and try to get scouting off. Aggression early on (no medivacs) is basically shut down due to photon overcharge and other builds (1-1-1) if they don't flat out kill Protoss will potentially leave you in a economic disadvantage. Not saying it never works, but it does rarely enough and its very specialized to punish certain builds and is terrible against pretty much all other builds so its not worth approaching the game that way. Yeah, that seems to be what a lot of terrans are feeling. I know I watched a WCS NA game earlier this week were a terran went full man mode and just tanked the cannon and sniped the nexus. I think folks are going to figure a way around it or find that exact number of units that can get the job done even with the cannon blazing. | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
The general timing of the 1 gate expand build is 2 more gates at 8 mins, 3-4 more gates at 9 mins and this is enough to hold all the timings up to the 2 medivac timing. I think Stardust lost in the game because he went for double forge too fast and so did not have enough gas to build units. | ||
Olli
Austria24422 Posts
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AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
On September 19 2013 02:16 Cracy wrote: Wrrrrr... I like the games, i don't like medium quality on Twitch... And I have 40 down, 4 up... You can watch on medium? Lucky you.  | ||
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ETisME
12904 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 19 2013 02:18 DarkLordOlli wrote: I feel like if you open with Innovation's 2 barracks fast stim build you just get in there and win the game against Stardust's build not really with proper scouting IMO. | ||
Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 19 2013 02:19 ETisME wrote: stardust soooooo greedy wow Its how protoss roll until some terran figures out how to punish it. Its only a matter of time. | ||
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Swiipii
2195 Posts
On September 19 2013 02:18 DarkLordOlli wrote: I feel like if you open with Innovation's 2 barracks fast stim build you just get in there and win the game against Stardust's build My toughts. But it seems risky if the Protoss player decides to play somewhat safe. :x | ||
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On September 19 2013 02:19 lolfail9001 wrote: not really with proper scouting IMO. If you scout it you at least can't go that much tech off one gate On September 19 2013 02:20 Swiipii wrote: My toughts. But it seems risky if the Protoss player decides to play somewhat safe. :x Well you don't need to deal damage at all with Innovation's build. It's a macro build with 2 rax instead of 3 but with fast stim and earlier marauders. Lots of potential to punish greedy protoss builds imo or at least force overcharge and keep them from being too greedy. Innovation vs HerO game 1 from Dreamhack is a good example. Innovation didn't do damage but he forced overcharge so HerO had to play safer. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 19 2013 02:21 DarkLordOlli wrote: If you scout it you at least can't go that much tech off one gate Does not his push out sacrifices something though (like delays factory without getting a really strong economy), i forget that bop game all the time. | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24604 Posts
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On September 19 2013 02:20 Plansix wrote: Its how protoss roll until some terran figures out how to punish it. Its only a matter of time. Someone might think the top Terrans would have found a way by now | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 19 2013 02:22 Sated wrote: You can't take a third base that quickly against Speedivacs. You get torn to pieces. Do not see StarDust getting torn yet. Ouch, Kas failed his armory timing hard, right? | ||
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SoulCapsule
France806 Posts
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 19 2013 02:22 HugzForL wrote: Stardust's macro is so bad. You mean? | ||
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garbanzo
United States4046 Posts
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