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NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
September 18 2013 17:30 GMT
#201
On September 19 2013 02:29 Darkhoarse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 02:22 NarutO wrote:
On September 19 2013 02:20 Plansix wrote:
On September 19 2013 02:19 ETisME wrote:
stardust soooooo greedy wow

Its how protoss roll until some terran figures out how to punish it. Its only a matter of time.


Someone might think the top Terrans would have found a way by now

The top terran singular. Taeja. He has


INnoVation, TaeJa. Plural and TaeJa doesn't win every TvP, neither does he do so with macro all the time.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
September 18 2013 17:31 GMT
#202
On September 19 2013 02:29 Darkhoarse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 02:22 NarutO wrote:
On September 19 2013 02:20 Plansix wrote:
On September 19 2013 02:19 ETisME wrote:
stardust soooooo greedy wow

Its how protoss roll until some terran figures out how to punish it. Its only a matter of time.


Someone might think the top Terrans would have found a way by now

The top terran singular. Taeja. He has


This. Taeja isn't mechanically superior to someone like Innovation for example. He isn't a hundred times smarter or a hundred times better at controlling his units. Why does Taeja know how to TvP macro and everybody else doesn't?
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
September 18 2013 17:32 GMT
#203
On September 19 2013 02:30 NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 02:29 Darkhoarse wrote:
On September 19 2013 02:22 NarutO wrote:
On September 19 2013 02:20 Plansix wrote:
On September 19 2013 02:19 ETisME wrote:
stardust soooooo greedy wow

Its how protoss roll until some terran figures out how to punish it. Its only a matter of time.


Someone might think the top Terrans would have found a way by now

The top terran singular. Taeja. He has


INnoVation, TaeJa. Plural and TaeJa doesn't win every TvP, neither does he do so with macro all the time.

I was mainly just kidding I recognize that Innovation is up there as well. You have to admit, though, that Taeja's macro games against Protoss just seem to work better than other terran players.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
September 18 2013 17:32 GMT
#204
Alright, so just leaving greater concerns about the MU for a moment - I really think that Protoss will have to switch up it's lategame somehow to account for the threat of the SCV-pull. Either to earlier storm, to a more conservative playstyle, to greater numbers of colossi or to aggression. And I think that will put us in a new place in the metagame as it currently stands. And hopefully it will be more enjoyable.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
September 18 2013 17:33 GMT
#205
On September 19 2013 02:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 02:29 Darkhoarse wrote:
On September 19 2013 02:22 NarutO wrote:
On September 19 2013 02:20 Plansix wrote:
On September 19 2013 02:19 ETisME wrote:
stardust soooooo greedy wow

Its how protoss roll until some terran figures out how to punish it. Its only a matter of time.


Someone might think the top Terrans would have found a way by now

The top terran singular. Taeja. He has


This. Taeja isn't mechanically superior to someone like Innovation for example. He isn't a hundred times smarter or a hundred times better at controlling his units. Why does Taeja know how to TvP macro and everybody else doesn't?


Watch INnoVation vs MyungSiK if you believe INnoVation can't play macro. While he was very behind, he showed brilliant control with ghosts and overall army. Even though that game doesn't end well, its one of the most incredible to watch games as a Terran because it shows incredible skill. He simply does choose to take another approach.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 18 2013 17:33 GMT
#206
On September 19 2013 02:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 02:29 Darkhoarse wrote:
On September 19 2013 02:22 NarutO wrote:
On September 19 2013 02:20 Plansix wrote:
On September 19 2013 02:19 ETisME wrote:
stardust soooooo greedy wow

Its how protoss roll until some terran figures out how to punish it. Its only a matter of time.


Someone might think the top Terrans would have found a way by now

The top terran singular. Taeja. He has


This. Taeja isn't mechanically superior to someone like Innovation for example. He isn't a hundred times smarter or a hundred times better at controlling his units. Why does Taeja know how to TvP macro and everybody else doesn't?

Because TaeJa already had broken wrists, he does not care if he fucks 'em up again with macro TvP /obviousjoke
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
SkullZ9
Profile Joined April 2011
Belgium2048 Posts
September 18 2013 17:33 GMT
#207
The BossToss against the Destroyer of Worlds ... This gonna be good !!
ntssauce
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany750 Posts
September 18 2013 17:33 GMT
#208
can someone summarize the kas vs stardust games for me? i missed them and there are no LRs
MMA and Alive you are the best! | Goodbye ST_Sound ~
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
September 18 2013 17:34 GMT
#209
On September 19 2013 02:28 ottosec wrote:
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On September 19 2013 02:26 moofang wrote:
If there is KR-EU lag at all i dunno how one could win against that level of play. Great games by Kas.


MC and Stardust are both in Europe.

MC's in europe? o_O
Moderatorlickypiddy
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
September 18 2013 17:34 GMT
#210
On September 19 2013 02:33 ntssauce wrote:
can someone summarize the kas vs stardust games for me? i missed them and there are no LRs

Apollo is doing a good job summing up right now.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
gedatsu
Profile Joined December 2011
1286 Posts
September 18 2013 17:34 GMT
#211
On September 18 2013 23:46 gedatsu wrote:
Oh, Stardust is *that* guy. Now I regret betting MC&Kas.

Just kidding.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-18 17:35:37
September 18 2013 17:35 GMT
#212
On September 19 2013 02:33 NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 02:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On September 19 2013 02:29 Darkhoarse wrote:
On September 19 2013 02:22 NarutO wrote:
On September 19 2013 02:20 Plansix wrote:
On September 19 2013 02:19 ETisME wrote:
stardust soooooo greedy wow

Its how protoss roll until some terran figures out how to punish it. Its only a matter of time.


Someone might think the top Terrans would have found a way by now

The top terran singular. Taeja. He has


This. Taeja isn't mechanically superior to someone like Innovation for example. He isn't a hundred times smarter or a hundred times better at controlling his units. Why does Taeja know how to TvP macro and everybody else doesn't?


Watch INnoVation vs MyungSiK if you believe INnoVation can't play macro. While he was very behind, he showed brilliant control with ghosts and overall army. Even though that game doesn't end well, its one of the most incredible to watch games as a Terran because it shows incredible skill. He simply does choose to take another approach.


Oh I do believe he can. I believe a lot of terrans could if they actually practiced that hardcore instead of getting an SCV pull build down and doing that one build every single game. Which I honestly believe a ton of terrans are doing.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
September 18 2013 17:35 GMT
#213
On September 19 2013 02:34 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 02:28 ottosec wrote:
On September 19 2013 02:26 moofang wrote:
If there is KR-EU lag at all i dunno how one could win against that level of play. Great games by Kas.


MC and Stardust are both in Europe.

MC's in europe? o_O

Dat IM travel money.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 18 2013 17:35 GMT
#214
On September 19 2013 02:33 ntssauce wrote:
can someone summarize the kas vs stardust games for me? i missed them and there are no LRs

StarDust has few FFs, less than 5 collosi and no storm. Proceeds to die in max out Kas vs ~150 supply StarDust
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
September 18 2013 17:35 GMT
#215
On September 19 2013 02:34 gedatsu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2013 23:46 gedatsu wrote:
Oh, Stardust is *that* guy. Now I regret betting MC&Kas.

Just kidding.

I thought the same thing. Stardust made me think Starnan and I bet MC/Kas ezpz. Then i realized what I did, but seems like it's not working out too badly
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
September 18 2013 17:36 GMT
#216
On September 19 2013 02:34 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 02:28 ottosec wrote:
On September 19 2013 02:26 moofang wrote:
If there is KR-EU lag at all i dunno how one could win against that level of play. Great games by Kas.


MC and Stardust are both in Europe.

MC's in europe? o_O

SK house in Cologne yeah.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
September 18 2013 17:36 GMT
#217
On September 19 2013 02:32 Darkhoarse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 02:30 NarutO wrote:
On September 19 2013 02:29 Darkhoarse wrote:
On September 19 2013 02:22 NarutO wrote:
On September 19 2013 02:20 Plansix wrote:
On September 19 2013 02:19 ETisME wrote:
stardust soooooo greedy wow

Its how protoss roll until some terran figures out how to punish it. Its only a matter of time.


Someone might think the top Terrans would have found a way by now

The top terran singular. Taeja. He has


INnoVation, TaeJa. Plural and TaeJa doesn't win every TvP, neither does he do so with macro all the time.

I was mainly just kidding I recognize that Innovation is up there as well. You have to admit, though, that Taeja's macro games against Protoss just seem to work better than other terran players.


I don't know, most Protoss simply die to INnoVation because he has a different style. TaeJa has insanely good ghost control, I realize he is a very good Terran but I also do watch those games. His 3-0 against Rain for example was no series I would put huge value into. Rain played absolutely terrible and way below his standard. I realize you always play as good as your opponent allows, but Rain does huge mistakes he usually doesn't do especially on whirlwind. So while I don't take away credit from TaeJa, I still have to point out that was no spot on series by Rain.

In addition TaeJa is one of the Terrans that is still very greedy because he is not really afraid or concerend about all ins it seems. 3 CC double ebay for instance. While it can work, I can guarantee that lots of Protoss will also kill him even though we have seen he held it against sOs. TaeJa, Bomber, Polt often times take risks in TvP that pay off - while that is their style and perfectly fine, I feel like you should be able to win a TvP without taking the risk of your army b eing instantly shot down when your 4-5 medivac drops get repelled. For reference Polt vs First was absolute smackdown once Polt couldn't drop and his style got shut down.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-18 17:37:33
September 18 2013 17:36 GMT
#218
On September 19 2013 02:29 NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 02:27 Plansix wrote:
On September 19 2013 02:22 NarutO wrote:
On September 19 2013 02:20 Plansix wrote:
On September 19 2013 02:19 ETisME wrote:
stardust soooooo greedy wow

Its how protoss roll until some terran figures out how to punish it. Its only a matter of time.


Someone might think the top Terrans would have found a way by now

Nah, you are all super stubborn and hate change, like every other SC2 pro in the world. Someone puts in a new maps and everyone goes "Who moved my Cheese? I hate learning new maps! Wait, why can't I just do my standard builds? I have to learn/make up new build? Who moved my cheese?"



I feel charmed that you imply I am a top Terran. While I am not, I am pretty sure the top Terrans around the world are talking to their top Protoss counterparts and I am pretty sure that by now they have tried a ton of shit, but they stick to things they know will eventually work out or at least to a percentage work out (scv pull timings for instance). Do you really believe pros are not trying different shit?

Yes and no. I think a lot of pros try stuff, but figuring out stuff that works and applying it to every game is a totally different things. I also think that SC2 players(in general) are creatures of habit and are prone to getting stuck in a rut or throwing up their hands and saying "its impossible". As I said before, there was an WCS NA game where the terran faster stim and just when full man mode and tanked the cannon while kiting the protoss units and murdered the nexus. The trick was clearly map dependant(I think it was on Belshire, but don't quote me) and very dependant on the protoss build and the number of units(the protoss went fast tech with low sentries), but it worked.

Would it work again? Who knows? But I do know one thing. The nexus cannon has a fixed fire rate and fixed damage and there is an amount of pressure it can't stop without the support of units. Its the meta game, it will shift.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
September 18 2013 17:37 GMT
#219
Are they just repeating the same map order everytime or has this been chosen as the first map every time?
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
September 18 2013 17:37 GMT
#220
Wtf, I just joined. Did Kas really just roll Stardust?
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