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On September 19 2013 02:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 02:29 Darkhoarse wrote:On September 19 2013 02:22 NarutO wrote:On September 19 2013 02:20 Plansix wrote:On September 19 2013 02:19 ETisME wrote:
stardust soooooo greedy wow Its how protoss roll until some terran figures out how to punish it. Its only a matter of time. Someone might think the top Terrans would have found a way by now The top terran singular. Taeja. He has  This. Taeja isn't mechanically superior to someone like Innovation for example. He isn't a hundred times smarter or a hundred times better at controlling his units. Why does Taeja know how to TvP macro and everybody else doesn't?
TaeJa won one series against Rain, and now every Protoss and their mother quotes him as the savior of TvP match-up. Proceeds to be 0:2ed by Squirtle in IEM Qualifier, drops a map to Welmu at Dreamhack Bucharest.
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On September 19 2013 02:37 Crownlol wrote:
Wtf, I just joined. Did Kas really just roll Stardust?
Yes. Like a... a... rolly thing rolls along.
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On September 19 2013 02:34 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 02:33 ntssauce wrote:
can someone summarize the kas vs stardust games for me? i missed them and there are no LRs Apollo is doing a good job summing up right now.
i went and made a sandwich 
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On September 19 2013 02:37 Crownlol wrote:
Wtf, I just joined. Did Kas really just roll Stardust?
Rolled him pretty hard.
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On September 19 2013 02:37 Crownlol wrote:
Wtf, I just joined. Did Kas really just roll Stardust?
StarDust rolled himself IMO.
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On September 19 2013 02:35 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 02:33 ntssauce wrote:
can someone summarize the kas vs stardust games for me? i missed them and there are no LRs StarDust has few FFs, less than 5 collosi and no storm. Proceeds to die in max out Kas vs ~150 supply StarDust
lol ! sounds like carzy greedy or crazy bad play by stardust O.o
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On September 19 2013 02:37 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 02:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:29 Darkhoarse wrote:On September 19 2013 02:22 NarutO wrote:On September 19 2013 02:20 Plansix wrote:On September 19 2013 02:19 ETisME wrote:
stardust soooooo greedy wow Its how protoss roll until some terran figures out how to punish it. Its only a matter of time. Someone might think the top Terrans would have found a way by now The top terran singular. Taeja. He has This. Taeja isn't mechanically superior to someone like Innovation for example. He isn't a hundred times smarter or a hundred times better at controlling his units. Why does Taeja know how to TvP macro and everybody else doesn't? TaeJa won one series against Rain, and now every Protoss and their mother quotes him as the savior of TvP match-up. Proceeds to be 0:2ed by Squirtle in IEM Qualifier, drops a map to Welmu at Dreamhack Bucharest.
Then he 2-0'd sOs who are seen as better than both. What's your point here?
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To be fair, there seems to only have a few terran who come around to innovate things.
Hellion opening
Mvp mech
Raven tech switch
Mass ghost turtle in tvz
Many of which is done by mvp, I am just waiting on him to innovate things.
And top level players don't really mean they will innovate builds. Korean scene took months to pick up Infestor opening.
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On September 19 2013 02:36 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 02:32 Darkhoarse wrote:On September 19 2013 02:30 NarutO wrote:On September 19 2013 02:29 Darkhoarse wrote:On September 19 2013 02:22 NarutO wrote:On September 19 2013 02:20 Plansix wrote:On September 19 2013 02:19 ETisME wrote:
stardust soooooo greedy wow Its how protoss roll until some terran figures out how to punish it. Its only a matter of time. Someone might think the top Terrans would have found a way by now The top terran singular. Taeja. He has INnoVation, TaeJa. Plural and TaeJa doesn't win every TvP, neither does he do so with macro all the time. I was mainly just kidding I recognize that Innovation is up there as well. You have to admit, though, that Taeja's macro games against Protoss just seem to work better than other terran players. I don't know, most Protoss simply die to INnoVation because he has a different style. TaeJa has insanely good ghost control, I realize he is a very good Terran but I also do watch those games. His 3-0 against Rain for example was no series I would put huge value into. Rain played absolutely terrible and way below his standard. I realize you always play as good as your opponent allows, but Rain does huge mistakes he usually doesn't do especially on whirlwind. So while I don't take away credit from TaeJa, I still have to point out that was no spot on series by Rain. In addition TaeJa is one of the Terrans that is still very greedy because he is not really afraid or concerend about all ins it seems. 3 CC double ebay for instance. While it can work, I can guarantee that lots of Protoss will also kill him even though we have seen he held it against sOs. TaeJa, Bomber, Polt often times take risks in TvP that pay off - while that is their style and perfectly fine, I feel like you should be able to win a TvP without taking the risk of your army b eing instantly shot down when your 4-5 medivac drops get repelled. For reference Polt vs First was absolute smackdown once Polt couldn't drop and his style got shut down.
Find it pretty hard to do anything but agree with what you said here. Well put!
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On September 19 2013 02:39 ETisME wrote:
To be fair, there seems to only have a few terran who come around to innovate things.
Hellion opening
Mvp mech
Raven tech switch
Mass ghost turtle in tvz
Many of which is done by mvp, I am just waiting on him to innovate things.
And top level players don't really mean they will innovate builds. Korean scene took months to pick up Infestor opening.
Ironically, Innovation used to not be particularly innovative with his playstyle . Although I definitely think he has come up with a unique flavor now. And that flavor is death.
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On September 19 2013 02:39 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 02:37 TheDwf wrote:On September 19 2013 02:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:29 Darkhoarse wrote:On September 19 2013 02:22 NarutO wrote:On September 19 2013 02:20 Plansix wrote:On September 19 2013 02:19 ETisME wrote:
stardust soooooo greedy wow Its how protoss roll until some terran figures out how to punish it. Its only a matter of time. Someone might think the top Terrans would have found a way by now The top terran singular. Taeja. He has This. Taeja isn't mechanically superior to someone like Innovation for example. He isn't a hundred times smarter or a hundred times better at controlling his units. Why does Taeja know how to TvP macro and everybody else doesn't? TaeJa won one series against Rain, and now every Protoss and their mother quotes him as the savior of TvP match-up. Proceeds to be 0:2ed by Squirtle in IEM Qualifier, drops a map to Welmu at Dreamhack Bucharest. Then he 2-0'd sOs who are seen as better than both. What's your point here?
sOs is seen better than Squirtle in PvT? sOs has the image of being a freewin to Terran basically. In addition - sOs let a marine scout his allin and didn't focus vikings with his stalkers. While it was a brilliant hold from TaeJa, it was also a fluke by sOs.
2nd game I don't even want to comment on.
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On September 19 2013 02:39 ETisME wrote:
To be fair, there seems to only have a few terran who come around to innovate things.
Hellion opening
Mvp mech
Raven tech switch
Mass ghost turtle in tvz
Many of which is done by mvp, I am just waiting on him to innovate things.
And top level players don't really mean they will innovate builds. Korean scene took months to pick up Infestor opening.
As I said before, a number of SC2 players are creatures of habit. Idra(even though he whined a lot) admitted he was not a creative player and had a hard time coming up with builds. Then you have players like TLO or MC, who are just willing to do crazy shit and play with peoples minds to get a win.
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Stream die for anyone else?
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That forcefield on the low ground to stop the reaper from jumping was pretty cool.
On September 19 2013 02:42 Darkhoarse wrote:
Stream die for anyone else?
Yes.
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On September 19 2013 02:42 Darkhoarse wrote:
Stream die for anyone else?
Yup
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On September 19 2013 02:37 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 02:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:29 Darkhoarse wrote:On September 19 2013 02:22 NarutO wrote:On September 19 2013 02:20 Plansix wrote:On September 19 2013 02:19 ETisME wrote:
stardust soooooo greedy wow Its how protoss roll until some terran figures out how to punish it. Its only a matter of time. Someone might think the top Terrans would have found a way by now The top terran singular. Taeja. He has This. Taeja isn't mechanically superior to someone like Innovation for example. He isn't a hundred times smarter or a hundred times better at controlling his units. Why does Taeja know how to TvP macro and everybody else doesn't? TaeJa won one series against Rain, and now every Protoss and their mother quotes him as the savior of TvP match-up. Proceeds to be 0:2ed by Squirtle in IEM Qualifier, drops a map to Welmu at Dreamhack Bucharest.
Taeja's TvP has been amazing ever since WoL. And his style hasn't changed at all. It's still a heavy aggressive midgame not necessarily dropping all over the place but constantly threatening it. And, this is the most important thing probably, he scans observers. You can hurt protoss if you don't allow them to see everything, it keeps their robo busy and lategame you win the game with Ghost/Viking because hey, he doesn't see half your army.
Taeja just plays straight up TvP and wins. He's done so ever since. Losing that total of 3 maps you stated doesn't mean that his TvP isn't fucking amazing.
It's got nothing to do with saving TvP. TvP doesn't need to be saved, terrans just need to learn how to play a proper macro game vs protoss.
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did twitch just shrivel up and die ?
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