• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 01:24
CEST 07:24
KST 14:24
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Holding On6Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4)5TL.net Map Contest #21 - Finalists4Team TLMC #5: Vote to Decide Ladder Maps!0[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Mile High15
Community News
Stellar Fest: StarCraft II returns to Canada6Weekly Cups (Sept 22-28): MaxPax double, Zerg wins, PTR12BSL Season 217herO joins T121Artosis vs Ret Showmatch85
StarCraft 2
General
Had to smile :) SC2 5.0.15 PTR Patch Notes + Sept 22nd update Weekly Cups (Sept 22-28): MaxPax double, Zerg wins, PTR Stellar Fest: StarCraft II returns to Canada Craziest Micro Moments Of All Time?
Tourneys
Stellar Fest LANified! 37: Groundswell, BYOC LAN, Nov 28-30 2025 Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 19 Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 493 Quick Killers Mutation # 492 Get Out More Mutation # 491 Night Drive Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight
Brood War
General
Flash On JaeDongs ASL Struggles & Perseverance [ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Holding On ASL20 General Discussion BW General Discussion Artosis vs Ret Showmatch
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro8 Day 4 [ASL20] Ro8 Day 3 BSL Team Wars - Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET Cosmonarchy Pro Showmatches
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy)
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Path of Exile Liquipedia App: Now Covering SC2 and Brood War!
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final
Blogs
[AI] Sorry, Chill, My Bad :…
Peanutsc
Try to reverse getting fired …
Garnet
[ASL20] Players bad at pi…
pullarius1
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1735 users

[Up/Down] Group F WCS Korea 2013 Season 3 - Page 36

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 34 35 36 37 38 39 Next All
Calt
Profile Joined September 2011
Finland1140 Posts
August 15 2013 14:07 GMT
#701
jjakji made it! f yeah<3
Maru | MMA | Ryung | MKP | NaDa | BoxeR | FOREVER SLAYERS
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-15 14:09:30
August 15 2013 14:09 GMT
#702
On August 15 2013 23:06 monkybone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 22:53 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On August 15 2013 22:50 monkybone wrote:
interesting situation, considering that hurricane beat jjakji, and did not advance. Is that really fair?


Yes.

Jjakji went 3-1.

Effort, Hurricane, and Losira were then all 2-2. Losira advances since he beat the other two.


thing is, hurricane went 2-2 like the others and was the only one to beat jjakji, who got the best score. it depends on how you see it


Head-to-head against Jjakji is irrelevant because he has the better score. Head-to-head is only relevant between tied players. This has always been the case in pretty much every tournament that I can remember.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
August 15 2013 14:09 GMT
#703
Hurricane beat jjakji. But jjakji beat KangHo and EffOrt. But KangHo beat Hurricane

H > j > K > H > j > K > H > j > K > H > j > K > H > j > K > H > .....

See how that makes absolutely zero sense?

Instead

KangHo beat both EffOrt and Hurriance, and they all had the same score

K > E
K > H

Done.
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
rMo
Profile Joined November 2011
Switzerland50 Posts
August 15 2013 14:33 GMT
#704
On August 15 2013 17:45 Yello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 17:40 opterown wrote:
icon should be 15px high

the reason it doesn't work is that the icons are only for the teams in the bottom right. otherwise i just copy paste resize icons


hm, with the current logo I don't think anyone can recognize it at 15px
[image loading] (T)jjakji

Someone who actually knows what he's doing should give it a shot. I'll keep it like this for now



Could do it since i got all the stuff
Head of Media at mYinsanity.eu - @remoblaser
Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-15 14:44:01
August 15 2013 14:43 GMT
#705
On August 15 2013 23:33 rMo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 17:45 Yello wrote:
On August 15 2013 17:40 opterown wrote:
icon should be 15px high

the reason it doesn't work is that the icons are only for the teams in the bottom right. otherwise i just copy paste resize icons


hm, with the current logo I don't think anyone can recognize it at 15px
[image loading] (T)jjakji

Someone who actually knows what he's doing should give it a shot. I'll keep it like this for now



Could do it since i got all the stuff


maybe something similar to the FXO-logo ([image loading]) would look pretty nice. Having the mYi logo and the text "mYi" right next to it in fat letters
Just ahead of time, know your addiction's not a crime. It's just a smaller part of who you want to become in the end.
Nomzter
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden2802 Posts
August 15 2013 14:46 GMT
#706
fuck yes jjakji :D
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
August 15 2013 15:03 GMT
#707
Wooo jjakji and kangho!
Moderatorlickypiddy
T.O.P
Profile Joined December 2012
469 Posts
August 15 2013 15:06 GMT
#708
jjakji fighting!!
I'm not the real T.O.P just a fan!
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 15 2013 15:31 GMT
#709
great to see Jjakji go through. Was hoping effort would :/
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
August 15 2013 15:40 GMT
#710
i'm not sure if i should be happy or sad. i would've loved to see a 5-way tie, but both Losira and Jjakji advanced
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
August 15 2013 15:41 GMT
#711
On August 15 2013 23:06 monkybone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 22:53 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On August 15 2013 22:50 monkybone wrote:
interesting situation, considering that hurricane beat jjakji, and did not advance. Is that really fair?


Yes.

Jjakji went 3-1.

Effort, Hurricane, and Losira were then all 2-2. Losira advances since he beat the other two.


thing is, hurricane went 2-2 like the others and was the only one to beat jjakji, who got the best score. it depends on how you see it


Why do you some of you people have to over complicate things? If you're doing tiebreakers, it makes perfect sense to attempt to break the tie first without involving non-tied people. Jjakji wasn't tied. Don't involve him unless you can't break the tie between the three tied players otherwise. That's just unnecessary complication.
pylonsalad
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada649 Posts
August 15 2013 16:04 GMT
#712
The head-to-head condition is entirely arbitrary. It does not show that Kangho played better than the other two. Guess what, he lost to both the better player of the day (jjakji) and the worse player of the day (shine). It is accepted because it is agreed upon by convention to save time, but to make the argument that it shows who is the better player is fancy magical logic.
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-15 16:09:39
August 15 2013 16:09 GMT
#713
On August 16 2013 01:04 pylonsalad wrote:
The head-to-head condition is entirely arbitrary. It does not show that Kangho played better than the other two. Guess what, he lost to both the better player of the day (jjakji) and the worse player of the day (shine). It is accepted because it is agreed upon by convention to save time, but to make the argument that it shows who is the better player is fancy magical logic.


But you can make that argument for pretty much every tournament format currently in use, that they favor convenience and scheduling over the highest accuracy of determining who the best player is.

If you want to know for sure 100% who the best player is, good luck hosting a tournament the scale of GSL and having every single player duke it out against every other one in a Bo7/Bo9.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
August 15 2013 16:16 GMT
#714
On August 16 2013 01:09 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 01:04 pylonsalad wrote:
The head-to-head condition is entirely arbitrary. It does not show that Kangho played better than the other two. Guess what, he lost to both the better player of the day (jjakji) and the worse player of the day (shine). It is accepted because it is agreed upon by convention to save time, but to make the argument that it shows who is the better player is fancy magical logic.


But you can make that argument for pretty much every tournament format currently in use, that they favor convenience and scheduling over the highest accuracy of determining who the best player is.

If you want to know for sure 100% who the best player is, good luck hosting a tournament the scale of GSL and having every single player duke it out against every other one in a Bo7/Bo9.


I give up trying to explain such simple logic to the daily whiners whenever their favored player loses or a player they don't like wins. Sigh. I'm not a very good keyboard warrior
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
pylonsalad
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada649 Posts
August 15 2013 16:30 GMT
#715
On August 16 2013 01:09 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 01:04 pylonsalad wrote:
The head-to-head condition is entirely arbitrary. It does not show that Kangho played better than the other two. Guess what, he lost to both the better player of the day (jjakji) and the worse player of the day (shine). It is accepted because it is agreed upon by convention to save time, but to make the argument that it shows who is the better player is fancy magical logic.


But you can make that argument for pretty much every tournament format currently in use, that they favor convenience and scheduling over the highest accuracy of determining who the best player is.

If you want to know for sure 100% who the best player is, good luck hosting a tournament the scale of GSL and having every single player duke it out against every other one in a Bo7/Bo9.



Ideally, they should do a 3-way tie-breaker round robin like the OSL. But even if they don't, I can accept that they just let the player through that beat the other two with the same score because everyone already agrees to it. I just have a problem with people claiming that proves that one player played better than the others who have the same score. That is a false claim using faulty logic. He doesn't "deserve" to advance over the other two any more than if we changed the tie-breaker condition to coin tosses.

My point is: it is a time-saver and nothing more.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
August 15 2013 16:54 GMT
#716
Life is supposed to be in Code S TT
AdministratorBreak the chains
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
August 15 2013 20:09 GMT
#717
JJAKJIJAJAKJAIAKAIAIIIAKKJKIJJJAJIKAJI!!!!!!!!

CODE S BABY!

Sad for Hurricane though :[
jjakji fan
Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
August 15 2013 21:12 GMT
#718
Wow this group was one game away from a 5-way tie... One more reason to hate Shine.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
August 15 2013 21:18 GMT
#719
On August 16 2013 06:12 Elite_ wrote:
Wow this group was one game away from a 5-way tie... One more reason to hate Shine.


Dude wins when you want him to lose and loses when you want him to win.

Fuckin' Shine.
ThePrince
Profile Joined October 2010
Peru331 Posts
August 15 2013 21:20 GMT
#720
Gosh... A 5 way tie would've been killer! This is where people's skills in tension situations truly shine. Kespa shouldve put in a little more effort, it's not like a hurricane destroyed their home and they weren't able to practice. Next time they should call Jack G as a coach and maybe they will perform.



SK_MC, ST_Parting, STX_Bogus fighting!!! Colossi should shoot nukes and blink.
Prev 1 34 35 36 37 38 39 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 5h 36m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft588
SortOf 53
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 2540
Shuttle 1004
PianO 180
Snow 82
Bale 50
Noble 41
Icarus 9
Dota 2
LuMiX1
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K707
m0e_tv305
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King129
Heroes of the Storm
Trikslyr29
Other Games
summit1g8556
C9.Mang0386
Maynarde163
UpATreeSC127
NeuroSwarm125
Tasteless122
XaKoH 82
ArmadaUGS30
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick790
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH83
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush1049
• Stunt416
• HappyZerGling38
Upcoming Events
LiuLi Cup
5h 36m
OSC
8h 36m
Online Event
17h 36m
The PondCast
1d 4h
Online Event
1d 17h
Wardi Open
2 days
Online Event
2 days
Online Event
3 days
[BSL 2025] Weekly
3 days
Safe House 2
3 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
BSL Team Wars
4 days
Team Bonyth vs Team Dewalt
Dewalt vs kogeT
JDConan vs Tarson
RaNgeD vs DragOn
StRyKeR vs Bonyth
Aeternum vs Hejek
Replay Cast
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-09-25
Maestros of the Game
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
EC S1
ESL Pro League S22
Urban Riga Open #1
FERJEE Rush 2025
Birch Cup 2025
DraculaN #2
LanDaLan #3
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

IPSL Winter 2025-26
SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
WardiTV TLMC #15
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
Frag Blocktober 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.