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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On June 25 2013 19:00 HolyArrow wrote:
In light of Life losing to Sjow, that was pretty unsurprising. Wouldn't be unexpected for Life to go out in last place this group. Not that Sjow is bad, but you probably shouldn't be dropping Bo3s to foreigners if you want to be considered a top-level player.
Come on, all players have off days. You don't suddenly stop being a top player because you haven't played well over the last 2-3 weeks.
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Mega cheese incoming from Jangbi
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On June 25 2013 19:04 Thinasy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 19:03 Vash_SC2 wrote:On June 25 2013 19:02 Swisslink wrote:On June 25 2013 18:58 TheDwf wrote:On June 25 2013 18:58 Vash_SC2 wrote:On June 25 2013 18:56 Thinasy wrote:On June 25 2013 18:56 Vash_SC2 wrote:On June 25 2013 18:54 packrat386 wrote:
fuck me. I wish life and my other favorite zergs would learn how to transition out of mutas. Widow mines are too strong for you to stay on them forever. Late game zerg is bad vs T No it isnt. Let me rephrase, Tier 3 is bad against Terran. (At high level, not your level) Ultralisks are bad against Terrans?? Against Bio-Mine they would be great - the problem is the constant pressure a Terran can put on you with this composition, you can't possibly transition out of Muta-ling or you might lose a pretty damn important engagement. Don't forget about the drops with speedboost when you go ultra. Spores, queens, a few mutas?
Oh shit mang, you just figured out late game ZvT. Email Soulkey, Life, and RorO.
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On June 25 2013 19:03 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 19:00 trifecta wrote:
fanta's macro was awful. floating resources, idle scvs, supply blocked, etc Would you be happier if he had flawless macro but lost from donating an army?
He lost his armies several times when he pushed out lol. A lone baneling rolled into his army when he tried to push into lifes 4th.
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On June 25 2013 18:59 packrat386 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 18:56 sibs wrote:On June 25 2013 18:55 Ctesias wrote:On June 25 2013 18:54 Tsubbi wrote:
when is the fucking hellbat nerf live this is so painful to watch That game was decided by hellbats? he did that build BECAUSE of hellbat drops. didn't work though, was still far behind. you can stay on ling/bling vs hellbats so he rushed for mutas instead of roaches. yes hellbats affected that game a lot. Life went for 2 base muta because he's a super aggressive player. The build has been a staple of his since he showed up (my friends and I used to call him ST_2basemuta because it was all he did). I think he thought it was a nice counter to hellbat drops (which it was) but he was going to do that kind of shit anyway. Also its not like the early game lost him the game, he got behind later on when he couldn't break the base and wouldn't transition out of mutas.
No, you should watch more of life's games, he doesn't rush for mutas and completely sacs econ, he stays on ling/bling quite a while. Like I said he decided to not do roaches against hellbats and go quick lair, since going for roaches doesn't seem to work to well either for him on Dreamhack vs both uThermal&Sjow.
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On June 25 2013 19:03 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 18:56 govie wrote:
ezpz... life needs to stop building to many muta's. they suck against terran units. Especially against marine/medivac/mine. No idea why zergs don't go 12 mutas into swarmhosts, muta into lurker style.
20+ mutas is actually the correct way to play.
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On June 25 2013 19:04 liberate71 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 19:03 dabom88 wrote:On June 25 2013 18:59 Wintex wrote:
The widow mine burrow 1 sec thing is really bleh though. Drilling claws, right? I think that one activates them too quickly. 1,5 sec could maybe work. That way you could react to a zerg army without completely giving them the finger. It's pretty equivalent to the Enduring Locust upgrade. Both are rather fair. I think the Mine should pop up when 'triggered', then 1 sec later attack, to give people a chance to split-second-micro to try to mitigate damage. At the moment its just .... SURPRISE MOTHER FUCKER
Pretty bad idea, that means detection isn't even necessary against mines if you have enough shit nearby.
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On June 25 2013 19:00 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 18:57 Big J wrote:On June 25 2013 18:56 Type|NarutO wrote:On June 25 2013 18:55 KingofGods wrote:On June 25 2013 18:54 Tsubbi wrote:
when is the fucking hellbat nerf live this is so painful to watch Fantasy's hellbat drops did virtually nothing this game....... Tsubbi always cries every time a Zerg playes. Nothing but informed tears from that guy. 10workers killed, spines forced, some zerglings killed, spire rush scouted... Those drops broke more than even. God beware Zerg has to actually do something instead of only droning now. Jesus. If you hate hellbat drops so much, you can hit him so hard with a queen defence and good roach/bane. Hellbat players don't have tons of defence at home and hellbats don't defend roach/bane that well to be honest. Depends on the game and timing, but when you cannot hit Zergs economy while the bust occurs, you might lose right there. "Lots" of queens are also very good against hellbats in the defence, as they can shoot down the medivac pretty quick. Also, seems like mines were more problematic to Life.
Did I say I'm for nerfing them or something like that. But putting it like "hellbats aren't worth it unless you kill 923783589287 workers" is simply bullshit. Of course they could do more. They could win the game straight up. But Fantasy was surely not in a bad spot after the drops.
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On June 25 2013 18:59 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 18:56 Ysellian wrote:On June 25 2013 18:56 Zenbrez wrote:On June 25 2013 18:54 Tsubbi wrote:
when is the fucking hellbat nerf live this is so painful to watch Hellbats doing 0 damage is painful to watch? How is 10 drones + 2 spines 0 damage? When people say 0 damage they generally mean not enough damage. It could be argued that 6 hellbats and 3 medivacs isn't worth 10 drones and 2 spines.
Than people should just say that. Saying 0 damage when a zerg loses 10 drones and a lot of lost lings on a two base economy is just weird.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51119 Posts
On June 25 2013 19:04 trifecta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 19:03 PVJ wrote:On June 25 2013 18:55 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 25 2013 18:54 Wintex wrote:On June 25 2013 18:53 goody153 wrote:
owww ... life lost .. damn .. no shame life that was fantasy possibly the greatest terran BW of all time NaDa. BoxeR, NaDa, oov, FlaSh. Midas. DDR Terran
I just hope you know what DDR means in this context.
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On June 25 2013 19:03 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 18:56 govie wrote:
ezpz... life needs to stop building to many muta's. they suck against terran units. Especially against marine/medivac/mine. No idea why zergs don't go 12 mutas into swarmhosts, muta into lurker style.
They do go mutas into swarm hosts... Against mech.
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On June 25 2013 19:03 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 18:59 Wintex wrote:
The widow mine burrow 1 sec thing is really bleh though. Drilling claws, right? I think that one activates them too quickly. 1,5 sec could maybe work. That way you could react to a zerg army without completely giving them the finger. It's pretty equivalent to the Enduring Locust upgrade. Both are rather fair.
I don't really see that... The locust upgrade enforces a dynamic where the zerg can be miles away before you get hit while one acts like a deterrent.
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On June 25 2013 19:05 Vash_SC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 19:04 Thinasy wrote:On June 25 2013 19:03 Vash_SC2 wrote:On June 25 2013 19:02 Swisslink wrote:On June 25 2013 18:58 TheDwf wrote:On June 25 2013 18:58 Vash_SC2 wrote:On June 25 2013 18:56 Thinasy wrote:On June 25 2013 18:56 Vash_SC2 wrote:On June 25 2013 18:54 packrat386 wrote:
fuck me. I wish life and my other favorite zergs would learn how to transition out of mutas. Widow mines are too strong for you to stay on them forever. Late game zerg is bad vs T No it isnt. Let me rephrase, Tier 3 is bad against Terran. (At high level, not your level) Ultralisks are bad against Terrans?? Against Bio-Mine they would be great - the problem is the constant pressure a Terran can put on you with this composition, you can't possibly transition out of Muta-ling or you might lose a pretty damn important engagement. Don't forget about the drops with speedboost when you go ultra. Spores, queens, a few mutas? Oh shit mang, you just figured out late game ZvT. Email Soulkey, Life, and RorO.
Yeah cause Roro has been playing so great overall lately and you are seriously implying that Soulkey isnt winning vs Terran in lategame? Christ man
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On June 25 2013 19:05 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 19:04 trifecta wrote:On June 25 2013 19:03 PVJ wrote:On June 25 2013 18:55 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 25 2013 18:54 Wintex wrote:On June 25 2013 18:53 goody153 wrote:
owww ... life lost .. damn .. no shame life that was fantasy possibly the greatest terran BW of all time NaDa. BoxeR, NaDa, oov, FlaSh. Midas. DDR Terran I just hope you know what DDR means.
Yep. Raise your dongers/Kappa/twitchspam
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The butthurt balance whine is hurting my eyes ! I miss proleague LR threads when I see all that.
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On June 25 2013 19:03 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 19:00 trifecta wrote:
fanta's macro was awful. floating resources, idle scvs, supply blocked, etc Would you be happier if he had flawless macro but lost from donating an army?
Bomber?
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United Kingdom12043 Posts
On June 25 2013 19:04 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 19:03 Qikz wrote:On June 25 2013 18:56 govie wrote:
ezpz... life needs to stop building to many muta's. they suck against terran units. Especially against marine/medivac/mine. No idea why zergs don't go 12 mutas into swarmhosts, muta into lurker style. Because this isn't BW and swarmhosts suck vs the mobility and dps of marine medivac.
I've seen people use them pretty well against marine/medivac. You just need static defense as well and you've still got the 12 mutas to kill drops.
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On June 25 2013 19:04 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 19:03 sitromit wrote:On June 25 2013 19:01 Type|NarutO wrote:On June 25 2013 18:59 sitromit wrote:On June 25 2013 18:54 Swisslink wrote:On June 25 2013 18:52 Wintex wrote:
Life is WAAAAY too overaggressive....... Well, is there a Zerg who wins against Terran lategame? I haven't seen one for quite a while. Which is the reason why everyone plays as aggressive as they do. It's Roach/Bane bust or lose. TvZ is approaching 70% this season for Terran. In PL it's over 60% the last 3 rounds, and this with all the early busts. Lots of wins from Innovation and Flash though. So we're back to the "the top Terrans are just better players" argument like back in early WoL? No. I'm saying if you cut out Innovation and Flash (and you can see their matches, I would argue they have indeed faced off against 'inferior' players in their ZvT matches. vs SoulKey for example its 1-1) and when you take away those games, you won't be at nearly 60% ..
And what's Soulkey's record against Innovation in macro games? How many Zergs have won a macro game against Terran lately in PL or WCS Korea?
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On June 25 2013 19:05 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 19:04 trifecta wrote:On June 25 2013 19:03 PVJ wrote:On June 25 2013 18:55 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 25 2013 18:54 Wintex wrote:On June 25 2013 18:53 goody153 wrote:
owww ... life lost .. damn .. no shame life that was fantasy possibly the greatest terran BW of all time NaDa. BoxeR, NaDa, oov, FlaSh. Midas. DDR Terran I just hope you know what DDR means in this context.
DDR terran answering the question we all wanted to know about progamer houses
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On June 25 2013 19:05 sibs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 18:59 packrat386 wrote:On June 25 2013 18:56 sibs wrote:On June 25 2013 18:55 Ctesias wrote:On June 25 2013 18:54 Tsubbi wrote:
when is the fucking hellbat nerf live this is so painful to watch That game was decided by hellbats? he did that build BECAUSE of hellbat drops. didn't work though, was still far behind. you can stay on ling/bling vs hellbats so he rushed for mutas instead of roaches. yes hellbats affected that game a lot. Life went for 2 base muta because he's a super aggressive player. The build has been a staple of his since he showed up (my friends and I used to call him ST_2basemuta because it was all he did). I think he thought it was a nice counter to hellbat drops (which it was) but he was going to do that kind of shit anyway. Also its not like the early game lost him the game, he got behind later on when he couldn't break the base and wouldn't transition out of mutas. No, you should watch more of life's games, he doesn't rush for mutas and completely sacs econ, he stays on ling/bling quite a while. Like I said he decided to not do roaches against hellbats and go quick lair, since going for roaches doesn't seem to work to well either for him on Dreamhack vs both uThermal&Sjow.
I've been watching Life play since he was on Zenex. He used to be a cheesy piece of shit. Hes refined his aggro style a lot, but he has always preferred an aggressive style over econ. Come on man, hes famous for 10 pooling people.
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