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On June 25 2013 19:02 Swisslink wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 18:58 TheDwf wrote:On June 25 2013 18:58 Vash_SC2 wrote:On June 25 2013 18:56 Thinasy wrote:On June 25 2013 18:56 Vash_SC2 wrote:On June 25 2013 18:54 packrat386 wrote:
fuck me. I wish life and my other favorite zergs would learn how to transition out of mutas. Widow mines are too strong for you to stay on them forever. Late game zerg is bad vs T No it isnt. Let me rephrase, Tier 3 is bad against Terran. (At high level, not your level) Ultralisks are bad against Terrans?? Against Bio-Mine they would be great - the problem is the constant pressure a Terran can put on you with this composition, you can't possibly transition out of Muta-ling or you might lose a pretty damn important engagement.
Don't forget about the drops with speedboost when you go ultra.
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On June 25 2013 19:01 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 18:59 sitromit wrote:On June 25 2013 18:54 Swisslink wrote:On June 25 2013 18:52 Wintex wrote:
Life is WAAAAY too overaggressive....... Well, is there a Zerg who wins against Terran lategame? I haven't seen one for quite a while. Which is the reason why everyone plays as aggressive as they do. It's Roach/Bane bust or lose. TvZ is approaching 70% this season for Terran. In PL it's over 60% the last 3 rounds, and this with all the early busts. Lots of wins from Innovation and Flash though.
So we're back to the "the top Terrans are just better players" argument like back in early WoL?
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On June 25 2013 19:01 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 18:59 bo1b wrote:On June 25 2013 18:56 Ysellian wrote:On June 25 2013 18:56 Zenbrez wrote:On June 25 2013 18:54 Tsubbi wrote:
when is the fucking hellbat nerf live this is so painful to watch Hellbats doing 0 damage is painful to watch? How is 10 drones + 2 spines 0 damage? When people say 0 damage they generally mean not enough damage. It could be argued that 6 hellbats and 3 medivacs isn't worth 10 drones and 2 spines. It could also be argued that 10drones +2spines in a 2base vs 2base TvZ situation is pretty awesome.
When did I say it wasnt? Though it was a 4base tvz for a while as well. Thats pretty awesome too.
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On June 25 2013 18:55 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 18:54 Wintex wrote:On June 25 2013 18:53 goody153 wrote:
owww ... life lost .. damn .. no shame life that was fantasy possibly the greatest terran BW of all time NaDa. BoxeR, NaDa, oov, FlaSh.
Midas.
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On June 25 2013 19:00 trifecta wrote:
fanta's macro was awful. floating resources, idle scvs, supply blocked, etc
Would you be happier if he had flawless macro but lost from donating an army?
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On June 25 2013 19:01 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 18:59 sitromit wrote:On June 25 2013 18:54 Swisslink wrote:On June 25 2013 18:52 Wintex wrote:
Life is WAAAAY too overaggressive....... Well, is there a Zerg who wins against Terran lategame? I haven't seen one for quite a while. Which is the reason why everyone plays as aggressive as they do. It's Roach/Bane bust or lose. TvZ is approaching 70% this season for Terran. In PL it's over 60% the last 3 rounds, and this with all the early busts. Lots of wins from Innovation and Flash though.
yeah, when you take into account the effect that those 2 playes have on the it, I think that data pool is way too small. I know everybody hates ladder stats, but they're really the only thing that have sufficient numbers and randomness to be used to decide balance.
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On June 25 2013 18:56 govie wrote:
ezpz... life needs to stop building to many muta's. they suck against terran units.
Especially against marine/medivac/mine.
No idea why zergs don't go 12 mutas into swarmhosts, muta into lurker style.
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On June 25 2013 19:02 Hellbat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 19:00 xuanzue wrote:
if ST renewed contract with life by a large sum (like is speculated) redbull must be full of regret. Everyone has slumps. Not to mention the transition from one game to another is harder on some than others.
Yeah. I WANT LETA BACK ;;;;;;;;
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On June 25 2013 19:03 Vash_SC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 19:02 Swisslink wrote:On June 25 2013 18:58 TheDwf wrote:On June 25 2013 18:58 Vash_SC2 wrote:On June 25 2013 18:56 Thinasy wrote:On June 25 2013 18:56 Vash_SC2 wrote:On June 25 2013 18:54 packrat386 wrote:
fuck me. I wish life and my other favorite zergs would learn how to transition out of mutas. Widow mines are too strong for you to stay on them forever. Late game zerg is bad vs T No it isnt. Let me rephrase, Tier 3 is bad against Terran. (At high level, not your level) Ultralisks are bad against Terrans?? Against Bio-Mine they would be great - the problem is the constant pressure a Terran can put on you with this composition, you can't possibly transition out of Muta-ling or you might lose a pretty damn important engagement. Don't forget about the drops with speedboost when you go ultra.
Spores, queens, a few mutas?
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The osl finals rematch! Hype!
I hope Jangbi has a repeat performance. I'd love to see either him or Flash in the finals.
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On June 25 2013 19:03 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 18:59 Wintex wrote:
The widow mine burrow 1 sec thing is really bleh though. Drilling claws, right? I think that one activates them too quickly. 1,5 sec could maybe work. That way you could react to a zerg army without completely giving them the finger. It's pretty equivalent to the Enduring Locust upgrade. Both are rather fair.
I think the Mine should pop up when 'triggered', then 1 sec later attack, to give people a chance to split-second-micro to try to mitigate damage.
At the moment its just .... SURPRISE MOTHER FUCKER
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On June 25 2013 19:02 PVJ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 18:54 Espelz wrote:
I love how Fantasy just stopped the widow mine in that last drop from attacking until the mutalisks arrived oO.
Funny to read these on the same page.
that was pretty cool though. Fantasy's micro is pretty awesome i gotta say. my favorite widow mine move though was Innovation (who else  ) against Life. Life had a bunch of banelings rolling up to Inno's army. Innovation had a few widow mines in front of his marines. so he waits for them to go off and kill a bunch of banes, then he unburrows them which caused the next bunch of banelings to roll into the widow mines instead of the marines. so sexy.
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On June 25 2013 19:03 PVJ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 18:55 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 25 2013 18:54 Wintex wrote:On June 25 2013 18:53 goody153 wrote:
owww ... life lost .. damn .. no shame life that was fantasy possibly the greatest terran BW of all time NaDa. BoxeR, NaDa, oov, FlaSh. Midas.
DDR Terran
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Game of the night coming up.
Potentially.
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On June 25 2013 19:03 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 18:56 govie wrote:
ezpz... life needs to stop building to many muta's. they suck against terran units. Especially against marine/medivac/mine. No idea why zergs don't go 12 mutas into swarmhosts, muta into lurker style.
Because this isn't BW and swarmhosts suck vs the mobility and dps of marine medivac.
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On June 25 2013 18:59 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 18:54 Swisslink wrote:On June 25 2013 18:52 Wintex wrote:
Life is WAAAAY too overaggressive....... Well, is there a Zerg who wins against Terran lategame? I haven't seen one for quite a while. Which is the reason why everyone plays as aggressive as they do. It's Roach/Bane bust or lose. TvZ is approaching 70% this season for Terran.
Even 85,7% so far on OSL!
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FANTASY - JANGBI
Oh the Nostalgia ;(
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On June 25 2013 19:02 PVJ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 18:54 Espelz wrote:
I love how Fantasy just stopped the widow mine in that last drop from attacking until the mutalisks arrived oO.
Funny to read these on the same page.
yeah, it's actually pretty sexy now that terrans are using widow mine micro to uproot (to prevent the mine from going off) to give them a few more seconds so marines can kill the lings trying to bait.
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On June 25 2013 19:03 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 19:01 Type|NarutO wrote:On June 25 2013 18:59 sitromit wrote:On June 25 2013 18:54 Swisslink wrote:On June 25 2013 18:52 Wintex wrote:
Life is WAAAAY too overaggressive....... Well, is there a Zerg who wins against Terran lategame? I haven't seen one for quite a while. Which is the reason why everyone plays as aggressive as they do. It's Roach/Bane bust or lose. TvZ is approaching 70% this season for Terran. In PL it's over 60% the last 3 rounds, and this with all the early busts. Lots of wins from Innovation and Flash though. So we're back to the "the top Terrans are just better players" argument like back in early WoL?
No. I'm saying if you cut out Innovation and Flash (and you can see their matches, I would argue they have indeed faced off against 'inferior' players in their ZvT matches. vs SoulKey for example its 1-1) and when you take away those games, you won't be at nearly 60% ..
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