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ShroudeD
Profile Joined August 2012
Greece1333 Posts
June 25 2013 10:07 GMT
#681
On June 25 2013 19:05 BLinD-RawR wrote:
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On June 25 2013 19:04 trifecta wrote:
On June 25 2013 19:03 PVJ wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:55 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:54 Wintex wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:53 goody153 wrote:
owww ... life lost .. damn .. no shame life that was fantasy possibly the greatest terran BW of all time

NaDa.


BoxeR, NaDa, oov, FlaSh.



Midas.


DDR Terran


I just hope you know what DDR means in this context.

Dance Dance Revolution
Mvp,Fantasy 4ever
Vash_SC2
Profile Joined January 2012
United States122 Posts
June 25 2013 10:07 GMT
#682
On June 25 2013 19:06 Thinasy wrote:
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On June 25 2013 19:05 Vash_SC2 wrote:
On June 25 2013 19:04 Thinasy wrote:
On June 25 2013 19:03 Vash_SC2 wrote:
On June 25 2013 19:02 Swisslink wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:58 TheDwf wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:58 Vash_SC2 wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:56 Thinasy wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:56 Vash_SC2 wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:54 packrat386 wrote:
fuck me. I wish life and my other favorite zergs would learn how to transition out of mutas. Widow mines are too strong for you to stay on them forever.

Late game zerg is bad vs T


No it isnt.

Let me rephrase, Tier 3 is bad against Terran. (At high level, not your level)

Ultralisks are bad against Terrans??


Against Bio-Mine they would be great - the problem is the constant pressure a Terran can put on you with this composition, you can't possibly transition out of Muta-ling or you might lose a pretty damn important engagement.

Don't forget about the drops with speedboost when you go ultra.


Spores, queens, a few mutas?

Oh shit mang, you just figured out late game ZvT. Email Soulkey, Life, and RorO.


Yeah cause Roro has been playing so great overall lately and you are seriously implying that Soulkey isnt winning vs Terran in lategame? Christ man

You mean all the Roach/Bane all ins are late game tier 3 units?
"Own-ed" - CatZ
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
June 25 2013 10:07 GMT
#683
On June 25 2013 19:06 HonorZ wrote:
The butthurt balance whine is hurting my eyes ! I miss proleague LR threads when I see all that.


Proleague has the best balance by eliminating everything except Protoss.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
June 25 2013 10:07 GMT
#684
On June 25 2013 19:05 Big J wrote:
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On June 25 2013 19:00 Type|NarutO wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:57 Big J wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:56 Type|NarutO wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:55 KingofGods wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:54 Tsubbi wrote:
when is the fucking hellbat nerf live this is so painful to watch



Fantasy's hellbat drops did virtually nothing this game.......


Tsubbi always cries every time a Zerg playes. Nothing but informed tears from that guy.


10workers killed, spines forced, some zerglings killed, spire rush scouted...

Those drops broke more than even.


God beware Zerg has to actually do something instead of only droning now. Jesus. If you hate hellbat drops so much, you can hit him so hard with a queen defence and good roach/bane. Hellbat players don't have tons of defence at home and hellbats don't defend roach/bane that well to be honest. Depends on the game and timing, but when you cannot hit Zergs economy while the bust occurs, you might lose right there.

"Lots" of queens are also very good against hellbats in the defence, as they can shoot down the medivac pretty quick. Also, seems like mines were more problematic to Life.


Did I say I'm for nerfing them or something like that. But putting it like "hellbats aren't worth it unless you kill 923783589287 workers" is simply bullshit. Of course they could do more. They could win the game straight up. But Fantasy was surely not in a bad spot after the drops.


I did never comment on the drops themselves? I said what you can do against them.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 10:07:41
June 25 2013 10:07 GMT
#685
On June 25 2013 19:04 Type|NarutO wrote:
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On June 25 2013 19:03 sitromit wrote:
On June 25 2013 19:01 Type|NarutO wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:59 sitromit wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:54 Swisslink wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:52 Wintex wrote:
Life is WAAAAY too overaggressive.......


Well, is there a Zerg who wins against Terran lategame?
I haven't seen one for quite a while. Which is the reason why everyone plays as aggressive as they do.

It's Roach/Bane bust or lose.

TvZ is approaching 70% this season for Terran. In PL it's over 60% the last 3 rounds, and this with all the early busts.


Lots of wins from Innovation and Flash though.

So we're back to the "the top Terrans are just better players" argument like back in early WoL?


No. I'm saying if you cut out Innovation and Flash (and you can see their matches, I would argue they have indeed faced off against 'inferior' players in their ZvT matches. vs SoulKey for example its 1-1) and when you take away those games, you won't be at nearly 60% ..

But that is scewing stats in your favor. you can't just take say -"Well this does not count because x or y"
Delphiki
Profile Joined October 2012
Philippines1955 Posts
June 25 2013 10:07 GMT
#686
OMG jangbi vs fantasy
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
June 25 2013 10:07 GMT
#687
On June 25 2013 19:05 HolyArrow wrote:
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On June 25 2013 19:04 liberate71 wrote:
On June 25 2013 19:03 dabom88 wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:59 Wintex wrote:
The widow mine burrow 1 sec thing is really bleh though. Drilling claws, right? I think that one activates them too quickly. 1,5 sec could maybe work. That way you could react to a zerg army without completely giving them the finger.

It's pretty equivalent to the Enduring Locust upgrade. Both are rather fair.


I think the Mine should pop up when 'triggered', then 1 sec later attack, to give people a chance to split-second-micro to try to mitigate damage.

At the moment its just .... SURPRISE MOTHER FUCKER


Pretty bad idea, that means detection isn't even necessary against mines if you have enough shit nearby.


Yeah if there is only one mine by itself... but if there is a couple, one might go and the others will still fire (as well as all the other terran stuff near by)

I like the idea of the mine, but i think its just way too easy to 'rely' on ridiculous hits which are really really hard to avoid happening from the zerg POV.

Kinda like how Fungal was at the end of WoL... by the time you see the infestor, its too late.
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
June 25 2013 10:07 GMT
#688
On June 25 2013 19:06 HonorZ wrote:
The butthurt balance whine is hurting my eyes ! I miss proleague LR threads when I see all that.

Aren't the Proleague threads usually just complaining about SNM?
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
glzElectromaster
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Japan2474 Posts
June 25 2013 10:07 GMT
#689
On June 25 2013 19:05 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 19:04 trifecta wrote:
On June 25 2013 19:03 PVJ wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:55 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:54 Wintex wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:53 goody153 wrote:
owww ... life lost .. damn .. no shame life that was fantasy possibly the greatest terran BW of all time

NaDa.


BoxeR, NaDa, oov, FlaSh.



Midas.


DDR Terran


I just hope you know what DDR means in this context.


Everyone does in fact respect Xellos for his night work. I hope he's having fun with his marketing job at CJ and his wife.
RIP Kt. Violet | In solitude, where we are least alone
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
June 25 2013 10:07 GMT
#690
On June 25 2013 19:04 Zealously wrote:
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On June 25 2013 19:00 HolyArrow wrote:
In light of Life losing to Sjow, that was pretty unsurprising. Wouldn't be unexpected for Life to go out in last place this group. Not that Sjow is bad, but you probably shouldn't be dropping Bo3s to foreigners if you want to be considered a top-level player.


Come on, all players have off days. You don't suddenly stop being a top player because you haven't played well over the last 2-3 weeks.


dunno man, mvp didn't win a championship this week. Confirmed shit tier.
dreaming of a sunny day
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16127 Posts
June 25 2013 10:07 GMT
#691
lol. god i love tastetosis.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
June 25 2013 10:08 GMT
#692
On June 25 2013 19:07 Daralii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 19:06 HonorZ wrote:
The butthurt balance whine is hurting my eyes ! I miss proleague LR threads when I see all that.

Aren't the Proleague threads usually just complaining about SNM?


It's that, and talking about Bisu.
Mattumsfox
Profile Joined April 2012
United States233 Posts
June 25 2013 10:08 GMT
#693
I remember when I first came to Teamliquid and heard that they just ban all the people crying about balance. What ever happened to this? I see so much crying in every thread now it is almost as bad as the sc2 general forums.
Thinasy
Profile Joined March 2011
2856 Posts
June 25 2013 10:08 GMT
#694
On June 25 2013 19:07 Vash_SC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 19:06 Thinasy wrote:
On June 25 2013 19:05 Vash_SC2 wrote:
On June 25 2013 19:04 Thinasy wrote:
On June 25 2013 19:03 Vash_SC2 wrote:
On June 25 2013 19:02 Swisslink wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:58 TheDwf wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:58 Vash_SC2 wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:56 Thinasy wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:56 Vash_SC2 wrote:
[quote]
Late game zerg is bad vs T


No it isnt.

Let me rephrase, Tier 3 is bad against Terran. (At high level, not your level)

Ultralisks are bad against Terrans??


Against Bio-Mine they would be great - the problem is the constant pressure a Terran can put on you with this composition, you can't possibly transition out of Muta-ling or you might lose a pretty damn important engagement.

Don't forget about the drops with speedboost when you go ultra.


Spores, queens, a few mutas?

Oh shit mang, you just figured out late game ZvT. Email Soulkey, Life, and RorO.


Yeah cause Roro has been playing so great overall lately and you are seriously implying that Soulkey isnt winning vs Terran in lategame? Christ man

You mean all the Roach/Bane all ins are late game tier 3 units?


No point in arguing anymore, im out. Just baffled why you arent even warned yet.
Jaedong & Faker
DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
June 25 2013 10:08 GMT
#695
On June 25 2013 19:07 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 19:04 Type|NarutO wrote:
On June 25 2013 19:03 sitromit wrote:
On June 25 2013 19:01 Type|NarutO wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:59 sitromit wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:54 Swisslink wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:52 Wintex wrote:
Life is WAAAAY too overaggressive.......


Well, is there a Zerg who wins against Terran lategame?
I haven't seen one for quite a while. Which is the reason why everyone plays as aggressive as they do.

It's Roach/Bane bust or lose.

TvZ is approaching 70% this season for Terran. In PL it's over 60% the last 3 rounds, and this with all the early busts.


Lots of wins from Innovation and Flash though.

So we're back to the "the top Terrans are just better players" argument like back in early WoL?


No. I'm saying if you cut out Innovation and Flash (and you can see their matches, I would argue they have indeed faced off against 'inferior' players in their ZvT matches. vs SoulKey for example its 1-1) and when you take away those games, you won't be at nearly 60% ..

But that is scewing stats in your favor. you can't just take say -"Well this does not count because x or y"

Why not? That worked for all other races for three years already.
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16849 Posts
June 25 2013 10:08 GMT
#696
On June 25 2013 19:06 DidYuhim wrote:
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On June 25 2013 19:03 Scarecrow wrote:
On June 25 2013 19:00 trifecta wrote:
fanta's macro was awful. floating resources, idle scvs, supply blocked, etc

Would you be happier if he had flawless macro but lost from donating an army?

Bomber?

Bomber only donates when he wants to. (see: him vs goswswswswswser on newkirk)
The Bomber boy
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44313 Posts
June 25 2013 10:08 GMT
#697
On June 25 2013 19:03 PVJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 18:55 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:54 Wintex wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:53 goody153 wrote:
owww ... life lost .. damn .. no shame life that was fantasy possibly the greatest terran BW of all time

NaDa.


BoxeR, NaDa, oov, FlaSh.



Midas.



lol im sorry people i forgot to put "2nd" in the"greatest BW terran player of all time" lol .. of course no can argue that flash is the best of all time
this is a quote
Thinasy
Profile Joined March 2011
2856 Posts
June 25 2013 10:08 GMT
#698
On June 25 2013 19:07 Daralii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 19:06 HonorZ wrote:
The butthurt balance whine is hurting my eyes ! I miss proleague LR threads when I see all that.

Aren't the Proleague threads usually just complaining about SNM?


They used to be, it stopped.
Jaedong & Faker
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
June 25 2013 10:08 GMT
#699
On June 25 2013 19:08 Mattumsfox wrote:
I remember when I first came to Teamliquid and heard that they just ban all the people crying about balance. What ever happened to this? I see so much crying in every thread now it is almost as bad as the sc2 general forums.


use the report button. Also most of this is benign enough.
dreaming of a sunny day
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
June 25 2013 10:08 GMT
#700
On June 25 2013 19:08 Heartland wrote:
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On June 25 2013 19:07 Daralii wrote:
On June 25 2013 19:06 HonorZ wrote:
The butthurt balance whine is hurting my eyes ! I miss proleague LR threads when I see all that.

Aren't the Proleague threads usually just complaining about SNM?


It's that, and talking about Bisu.

Handsome fellow too, though Flash is better and Nada is prettier.
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