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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51119 Posts
June 25 2013 10:08 GMT
#701
On June 25 2013 19:08 Heartland wrote:
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On June 25 2013 19:07 Daralii wrote:
On June 25 2013 19:06 HonorZ wrote:
The butthurt balance whine is hurting my eyes ! I miss proleague LR threads when I see all that.

Aren't the Proleague threads usually just complaining about SNM?


It's that, and talking about Bisu.


what wrong with talking about bisu?
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Vash_SC2
Profile Joined January 2012
United States122 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 10:10:02
June 25 2013 10:08 GMT
#702
On June 25 2013 19:08 Thinasy wrote:
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On June 25 2013 19:07 Vash_SC2 wrote:
On June 25 2013 19:06 Thinasy wrote:
On June 25 2013 19:05 Vash_SC2 wrote:
On June 25 2013 19:04 Thinasy wrote:
On June 25 2013 19:03 Vash_SC2 wrote:
On June 25 2013 19:02 Swisslink wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:58 TheDwf wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:58 Vash_SC2 wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:56 Thinasy wrote:
[quote]

No it isnt.

Let me rephrase, Tier 3 is bad against Terran. (At high level, not your level)

Ultralisks are bad against Terrans??


Against Bio-Mine they would be great - the problem is the constant pressure a Terran can put on you with this composition, you can't possibly transition out of Muta-ling or you might lose a pretty damn important engagement.

Don't forget about the drops with speedboost when you go ultra.

You're the one that's all upset. I'm sorry my facts are hurting you.
Spores, queens, a few mutas?

Oh shit mang, you just figured out late game ZvT. Email Soulkey, Life, and RorO.


Yeah cause Roro has been playing so great overall lately and you are seriously implying that Soulkey isnt winning vs Terran in lategame? Christ man

You mean all the Roach/Bane all ins are late game tier 3 units?


No point in arguing anymore, im out. Just baffled why you arent even warned yet.

Yeah man, I'm breaking all the rules. But I don't understand why you're all upset over facts?
"Own-ed" - CatZ
DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
June 25 2013 10:09 GMT
#703
On June 25 2013 19:08 Wintex wrote:
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On June 25 2013 19:06 DidYuhim wrote:
On June 25 2013 19:03 Scarecrow wrote:
On June 25 2013 19:00 trifecta wrote:
fanta's macro was awful. floating resources, idle scvs, supply blocked, etc

Would you be happier if he had flawless macro but lost from donating an army?

Bomber?

Bomber only donates when he wants to. (see: him vs goswswswswswser on newkirk)

Check Bomber vs Symbol and Bomber vs Losira.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
June 25 2013 10:09 GMT
#704
On June 25 2013 19:07 Assirra wrote:
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On June 25 2013 19:04 Type|NarutO wrote:
On June 25 2013 19:03 sitromit wrote:
On June 25 2013 19:01 Type|NarutO wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:59 sitromit wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:54 Swisslink wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:52 Wintex wrote:
Life is WAAAAY too overaggressive.......


Well, is there a Zerg who wins against Terran lategame?
I haven't seen one for quite a while. Which is the reason why everyone plays as aggressive as they do.

It's Roach/Bane bust or lose.

TvZ is approaching 70% this season for Terran. In PL it's over 60% the last 3 rounds, and this with all the early busts.


Lots of wins from Innovation and Flash though.

So we're back to the "the top Terrans are just better players" argument like back in early WoL?


No. I'm saying if you cut out Innovation and Flash (and you can see their matches, I would argue they have indeed faced off against 'inferior' players in their ZvT matches. vs SoulKey for example its 1-1) and when you take away those games, you won't be at nearly 60% ..

But that is scewing stats in your favor. you can't just take say -"Well this does not count because x or y"


It can be, but statistics should never be taken at face value. Breaking them down and attempting to sort them into sub-categories or other categories will give you new and interesting information. Like, for example, if two players are inflating win levels for a specific race, if a given map is changing something or if B-teamers are facing some specific A-teamers more than others.
edgeOut
Profile Joined February 2013
United States945 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 10:09:53
June 25 2013 10:09 GMT
#705
On June 25 2013 19:07 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 19:06 HonorZ wrote:
The butthurt balance whine is hurting my eyes ! I miss proleague LR threads when I see all that.


Proleague has the best balance by eliminating everything except Protoss.

You need to do your homework, instead of copying others'.
Fuck you Zealously! For the fuck you give to those players.
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
June 25 2013 10:09 GMT
#706
On June 25 2013 19:08 goody153 wrote:
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On June 25 2013 19:03 PVJ wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:55 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:54 Wintex wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:53 goody153 wrote:
owww ... life lost .. damn .. no shame life that was fantasy possibly the greatest terran BW of all time

NaDa.


BoxeR, NaDa, oov, FlaSh.



Midas.



lol im sorry people i forgot to put "2nd" in the"greatest BW terran player of all time" lol .. of course no can argue that flash is the best of all time


Fantasy is behind NaDa and probably BoxeR too.
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
negativedge
Profile Joined December 2011
4279 Posts
June 25 2013 10:09 GMT
#707
why the hell are there always so many technical problems for OSL? like, way more than any other tournament?
fuzzylogic44
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada2633 Posts
June 25 2013 10:09 GMT
#708
Are you kidding me tech issues twice in a row?
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
June 25 2013 10:09 GMT
#709
On June 25 2013 19:08 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 19:08 Heartland wrote:
On June 25 2013 19:07 Daralii wrote:
On June 25 2013 19:06 HonorZ wrote:
The butthurt balance whine is hurting my eyes ! I miss proleague LR threads when I see all that.

Aren't the Proleague threads usually just complaining about SNM?


It's that, and talking about Bisu.


what wrong with talking about bisu?


It could distract people from looking at Bisu.
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2349 Posts
June 25 2013 10:09 GMT
#710
On June 25 2013 19:03 PVJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 18:55 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:54 Wintex wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:53 goody153 wrote:
owww ... life lost .. damn .. no shame life that was fantasy possibly the greatest terran BW of all time

NaDa.


BoxeR, NaDa, oov, FlaSh.



Midas.


Fanta >Midas

Sorry
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
June 25 2013 10:09 GMT
#711
On June 25 2013 19:04 Zealously wrote:
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On June 25 2013 19:00 HolyArrow wrote:
In light of Life losing to Sjow, that was pretty unsurprising. Wouldn't be unexpected for Life to go out in last place this group. Not that Sjow is bad, but you probably shouldn't be dropping Bo3s to foreigners if you want to be considered a top-level player.


Come on, all players have off days. You don't suddenly stop being a top player because you haven't played well over the last 2-3 weeks.


Well, an off-day is an off-day. A month of underwhelming play is a slump, and to me when someone's slumping it means that they're not currently a top-level player. Life hasn't really impressed me much since he beat Flash at MLG a while ago. He got eliminated in the Ro16 of Code S, dropped 2 Bo3s to foreigners at DH Summer, and also got pretty convincingly beaten by Ryung recently in the GSTL. He hasn't been terrible, but he certainly hasn't been performing up to his reputation.
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5617 Posts
June 25 2013 10:10 GMT
#712
On June 25 2013 19:03 PVJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 18:55 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:54 Wintex wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:53 goody153 wrote:
owww ... life lost .. damn .. no shame life that was fantasy possibly the greatest terran BW of all time

NaDa.


BoxeR, NaDa, oov, FlaSh.



Midas.

no way
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
June 25 2013 10:10 GMT
#713
On June 25 2013 19:09 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 19:07 Assirra wrote:
On June 25 2013 19:04 Type|NarutO wrote:
On June 25 2013 19:03 sitromit wrote:
On June 25 2013 19:01 Type|NarutO wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:59 sitromit wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:54 Swisslink wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:52 Wintex wrote:
Life is WAAAAY too overaggressive.......


Well, is there a Zerg who wins against Terran lategame?
I haven't seen one for quite a while. Which is the reason why everyone plays as aggressive as they do.

It's Roach/Bane bust or lose.

TvZ is approaching 70% this season for Terran. In PL it's over 60% the last 3 rounds, and this with all the early busts.


Lots of wins from Innovation and Flash though.

So we're back to the "the top Terrans are just better players" argument like back in early WoL?


No. I'm saying if you cut out Innovation and Flash (and you can see their matches, I would argue they have indeed faced off against 'inferior' players in their ZvT matches. vs SoulKey for example its 1-1) and when you take away those games, you won't be at nearly 60% ..

But that is scewing stats in your favor. you can't just take say -"Well this does not count because x or y"


It can be, but statistics should never be taken at face value. Breaking them down and attempting to sort them into sub-categories or other categories will give you new and interesting information. Like, for example, if two players are inflating win levels for a specific race, if a given map is changing something or if B-teamers are facing some specific A-teamers more than others.


Also these player pools are so small AND they aren't random. A lot of statisticians would be unhappy trying to infer anything from this game.
dreaming of a sunny day
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
June 25 2013 10:10 GMT
#714
On June 25 2013 19:09 negativedge wrote:
why the hell are there always so many technical problems for OSL? like, way more than any other tournament?


Yeah its ridiculous hey. I think every day so far has been a crash at least, if not more!
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
June 25 2013 10:10 GMT
#715
those OSL medals <3
Lunareste
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3596 Posts
June 25 2013 10:10 GMT
#716
On June 25 2013 19:08 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 19:07 Daralii wrote:
On June 25 2013 19:06 HonorZ wrote:
The butthurt balance whine is hurting my eyes ! I miss proleague LR threads when I see all that.

Aren't the Proleague threads usually just complaining about SNM?


It's that, and talking about Bisu.


Listen, I don't care what you think about Bisu

but you will never stop me from talking/worshipping him in TL threads.

Bisu is my one true love.
KT FlaSh FOREVER
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 10:11:37
June 25 2013 10:10 GMT
#717
On June 25 2013 19:05 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 19:03 Scarecrow wrote:
On June 25 2013 19:00 trifecta wrote:
fanta's macro was awful. floating resources, idle scvs, supply blocked, etc

Would you be happier if he had flawless macro but lost from donating an army?

He lost his armies several times when he pushed out lol. A lone baneling rolled into his army when he tried to push into lifes 4th.

So apparently both his macro and micro were awful? Why can't people just enjoy a good back and forth game without whining about a number at the top right?
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
June 25 2013 10:11 GMT
#718
On June 25 2013 19:10 Lunareste wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 19:08 Heartland wrote:
On June 25 2013 19:07 Daralii wrote:
On June 25 2013 19:06 HonorZ wrote:
The butthurt balance whine is hurting my eyes ! I miss proleague LR threads when I see all that.

Aren't the Proleague threads usually just complaining about SNM?


It's that, and talking about Bisu.


Listen, I don't care what you think about Bisu

but you will never stop me from talking/worshipping him in TL threads.

Bisu is my one true love.


I like Bisu : P
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
June 25 2013 10:11 GMT
#719
it's so funny how whenever there's a technical issue Tasteless points out it's not a GOM tournament every 2 minutes :O
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
June 25 2013 10:11 GMT
#720
On June 25 2013 19:04 liberate71 wrote:
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On June 25 2013 19:03 dabom88 wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:59 Wintex wrote:
The widow mine burrow 1 sec thing is really bleh though. Drilling claws, right? I think that one activates them too quickly. 1,5 sec could maybe work. That way you could react to a zerg army without completely giving them the finger.

It's pretty equivalent to the Enduring Locust upgrade. Both are rather fair.


I think the Mine should pop up when 'triggered', then 1 sec later attack, to give people a chance to split-second-micro to try to mitigate damage.

At the moment its just .... SURPRISE MOTHER FUCKER


And I want to see a shredder upgrade that makes it so that two mines can interact to form radiation. Idea recycling is good for the environment.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
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