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Undead1993
Germany17651 Posts
On June 21 2013 08:40 Fanatic-Templar wrote: You should be thankful the American/European divisions are so lenient, otherwise he'd have been dropped to Code B. oh ty so much didn't know that the american and european divisions are weaker than the korean, a very surprising fact! | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27477 Posts
They have the funniest nicknames in the game as well for me. I find it bizarre but endearing that nicks like 'Ian' and 'Jim', such standard everyday names are used by them. | ||
Shellshock
United States97277 Posts
http://www.aligulac.com/periods/87/?page=1&sort=&race=p&nats=foreigners guy is definitely too unknown for his skill level On June 21 2013 08:42 Wombat_NI wrote: Chinese players making runs is always nice to see. They have the funniest nicknames in the game as well for me. I find it bizarre but endearing that nicks like 'Ian' and 'Jim', such standard everyday names are used by them. I remember Artosis talking about a Korean pro named Justin in BW I think. I find it kind of funny, too. | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On June 21 2013 08:41 Undead1993 wrote: oh ty so much didn't know that the american and european divisions are weaker than the korean, a very surprising fact! I'm not talking about player skill, I mean the tournament format. In GSL if you lose in round 1 of Code A - as Jaedong did to theognis -, you're dropped to Code B. I don't get the reasoning. I though this new WCS was intended to make the game more competitive, but with so few openings for newcomers each season, this system seems to be encouraging stagnation. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97277 Posts
On June 21 2013 08:41 Undead1993 wrote: oh ty so much didn't know that the american and european divisions are weaker than the korean, a very surprising fact! I believe he was referring to how in Korea the 1st round losers go straight to Code B but in EU/AM first round losers still get to play in the up and down matches rather than the difficulty of the leagues. edit: yea he beat me to it | ||
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Shellshock
United States97277 Posts
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fuzzylogic44
Canada2633 Posts
On June 21 2013 08:49 Fanatic-Templar wrote: I'm not talking about player skill, I mean the tournament format. In GSL if you lose in round 1 of Code A - as Jaedong did to theognis -, you're dropped to Code B. I don't get the reasoning. I though this new WCS was intended to make the game more competitive, but with so few openings for newcomers each season, this system seems to be encouraging stagnation. With AM and EU, ro32 drop downs in Premier, which are played online, all play in the first round of Challenger. That's too much luck in who you get faced against and then have it all ride on a singe bo3... you could go 1-2 against HerO, 2-0 against Snute, and 1-2 against HerO again in a Premier group, then find yourself facing Taeja in round 1 of challenger and be totally out. That's just too nasty. In Korea at least if you are 3rd in your ro32 group you are safe from elimination. In this system, you could theoretically drop out even if you made the ro16 in Premier, but it takes losing several matches to do so. This also brings more significance to the up and down groups. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
We're one game away from that situation | ||
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Shellshock
United States97277 Posts
On June 21 2013 08:53 fuzzylogic44 wrote: With AM and EU, ro32 drop downs in Premier, which are played online, all play in the first round of Challenger. That's too much luck in who you get faced against and then have it all ride on a singe bo3... you could go 1-2 against HerO, 2-0 against Snute, and 1-2 against HerO again in a Premier group, then find yourself facing Taeja in round 1 of challenger and be totally out. That's just too nasty. This also brings more significance to the up and down groups. I think there are pros and cons to each version of challenger. One con with the way it is for WCS EU and NA is that there is hardly any cycling of new players in, although it might not be as big of a deal, especially in AM, due to the lack of depth in these regions as compared to Korea. | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On June 21 2013 08:53 fuzzylogic44 wrote: With AM and EU, ro32 drop downs in Premier, which are played online, all play in the first round of Challenger. That's too much luck in who you get faced against and then have it all ride on a singe bo3... you could go 1-2 against HerO, 2-0 against Snute, and 1-2 against HerO again in a Premier group, then find yourself facing Taeja in round 1 of challenger and be totally out. That's just too nasty. In Korea at least if you are 3rd in your ro32 group you are safe from elimination. In this system, you could theoretically drop out even if you made the ro16 in Premier, but it takes losing several matches to do so. This also brings more significance to the up and down groups. It also means that you can win 1 out of 4 series and stay in Challenger League. Or you can win 2 of 4 and get to Premier. And that the Challenger League is largely unimportant since unless you beat all three rounds the results are the same as immediately losing 0-2. And that it's incredibly difficult for new players to break into the scene. | ||
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fuzzylogic44
Canada2633 Posts
On June 21 2013 08:55 Shellshock1122 wrote: I think there are pros and cons to each version of challenger. One con with the way it is for WCS EU and NA is that there is hardly any cycling of new players in, although it might not be as big of a deal, especially in AM, due to the lack of depth in these regions as compared to Korea. But if you manage to get in, it;s more of a prize because you aren't as much at risk of immediately dropping back out from one bad game or an unlucky draw. In Korea you have guys who make heroic underdog runs through the qualifers and then hit Gumiho in round 1 or something, it's painful to even think about. At least let those who qualify stick around for a few matches. | ||
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fuzzylogic44
Canada2633 Posts
On June 21 2013 08:58 Fanatic-Templar wrote: It also means that you can win 1 out of 4 series and stay in Challenger League. Or you can win 2 of 4 and get to Premier. And that the Challenger League is largely unimportant since unless you beat all three rounds the results are the same as immediately losing 0-2. And that it's incredibly difficult for new players to break into the scene. The bracket stage does determine prize money, low though it is. It also determines your seeding for the up and down groups. So losing in round 1 might get you thrown in with a Korean who dropped out of Premier ro16 while making to the last round and losing will group you with the likes of Hellokitty. | ||
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mikedebo
Canada4341 Posts
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On June 21 2013 09:06 LimeNade wrote: It is just sad watching Jaedong play these days. I don't care the caliber of a player like stardust or Jim I find it just sad. This used to be a man who was on another level in BW that very few people in the history of SCBW were a part of. I dunno how much more I can handle as a big fan of his to keep watching him and thinking he'll dominate. Well you have to realize it's only his zvp. His zvt/zvz is very good. He'll figure out zvp in time (I hope). If he figures it out like zvz/zvt omg he'll be such a beast. | ||
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
On June 21 2013 09:08 blade55555 wrote: Well you have to realize it's only his zvp. His zvt/zvz is very good. He'll figure out zvp in time. It's been his ZvP since he started playing HOTS though. There isn't an excuse for a player of his caliber to have not figured it out by now. | ||
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Undead1993
Germany17651 Posts
On June 21 2013 09:08 blade55555 wrote: Well you have to realize it's only his zvp. His zvt/zvz is very good. He'll figure out zvp in time (I hope). If he figures it out like zvz/zvt omg he'll be such a beast. you have also to realize he is trying hard, but i don't think this tournament marathon that comes along his way helps there too much to concentrate on figuring out a mu | ||
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Dexington
Canada7276 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
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Undead1993
Germany17651 Posts
On June 21 2013 09:11 Dexington wrote: This is some poor marine micro he needs to mix in some widow mines to make up for that, these units are surprisingly efficient | ||
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