EPT[DreamHack] Summer Day 3 2013 - Page 485
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GunPaladin
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wozzot
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Salient
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dRaW
Canada5744 Posts
On June 18 2013 10:41 Salient wrote: Who is Stardust? It always seems like some random Code B Korean ends up dominating foreign events. m18m, oldschool protoss broodwar player. He was never very dominant and ended his BW career with Airforce ACE. | ||
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GunPaladin
United States1205 Posts
On June 18 2013 10:41 Salient wrote: Who is Stardust? It always seems like some random Code B Korean ends up dominating foreign events. dude, like 20 people have already explained who he is. | ||
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SoleSteeler
Canada5450 Posts
On June 18 2013 10:08 tuho12345 wrote: JD vs Gumiho game 1 yesterday. Swarmhost is pretty stupid, plz watch that game. Is there a VOD list somewhere? found the game: http://www.twitch.tv/dreamhacksc2/b/417713683?t=10h51m35s | ||
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
On June 18 2013 08:27 TheDougler wrote: Texted this to my buddy. He called upon the ancient spirits of the Protoss and they answered him. The power of MC won him game one, then he channeled the avatar of HuK in game two to little avail. When all seemed lost in game three he asked parting for the answer and unto the stardust the champion thus spake: immortal sentry young one, all day, every day. "Even though all my opponent has is mutas? Questioned the budding nooblet." "Yes, young one." Answered the conductor. The immortal sentry will guide the way in the darkness, when all other lights are fungaled. His hubris got the better of him in game four, where he turned against the gods and the spirit of July struck him down with a vengeance. Having exhausted the spiritual energy of all of his forefathers but one he knew what to do. "Inca guide me" he whispered Awesome! Kudos! :D | ||
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StarStruck
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On June 18 2013 10:03 DrPandaPhD wrote: Life also lost to TLO 2-1 Life dropped a map vs PiG Life dropped a map vs Miniraser Don't know what happened with Life this tournament but he was off. That's the wild thing about LANs. If you're really having an off-day good luck going far. I didn't know about the other games he lost till you mentioned them because I've only been following a little since the third group stage. Sounds like he was really struggling. We just haven't had many looks of him recently considering he keeps losing out in the GSL group stages to stiff competition. | ||
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BigAsia
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Archeon
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On June 18 2013 08:27 TheDougler wrote: Texted this to my buddy. He called upon the ancient spirits of the Protoss and they answered him. The power of MC won him game one, then he channeled the avatar of HuK in game two to little avail. When all seemed lost in game three he asked parting for the answer and unto the stardust the champion thus spake: immortal sentry young one, all day, every day. "Even though all my opponent has is mutas? Questioned the budding nooblet." "Yes, young one." Answered the conductor. The immortal sentry will guide the way in the darkness, when all other lights are fungaled. His hubris got the better of him in game four, where he turned against the gods and the spirit of July struck him down with a vengeance. Having exhausted the spiritual energy of all of his forefathers but one he knew what to do. "Inca guide me" he whispered couldnt have described it better, pretty awesome writeup. On June 18 2013 10:06 Faruko wrote: This series reminds me why even if i watch dota 2 from time to time, SC its the king of eSports, so much tension you could not find anywhere else I have to say it was exactly the other way round for me. After the dh dota 2 finale with lots of interesting strategies, tactical decisions and two european teams in the final, i switched over to sc2 to see two koreans tossing a coin over and over again. 4 games, 5 all-ins, 4 successful. No great micro (tbh both slipped horribly over and over again), no great strategy, no superior decision-making just coinflip into coinflip. The only fact that i found interesting is that Stardust ignored "when behind, build dark shrine" and instead did it when he was ahead. On a side note: i agree that jaedong doesnt seem to understand the mu, he's playing zvz all the time. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On June 18 2013 11:24 Blackfeather wrote: couldnt have described it better, pretty awesome writeup. I have to say it was exactly the other way round for me. After the dh dota 2 finale with lots of interesting strategies, tactical decisions and two european teams in the final, i switched over to sc2 to see two koreans tossing a coin over and over again. 4 games, 5 all-ins, 4 successful. No great micro (tbh both slipped horribly over and over again), no great strategy, no superior decision-making just coinflip into coinflip. The only fact that i found interesting is that Stardust ignored "when behind, build dark shrine" and instead did it when he was ahead. On a side note: i agree that jaedong doesnt seem to understand the mu, he's playing zvz all the time. you should watch JD's series against Taeja and Lucifron. Ya, he made lots of mistakes against Lucifron but both series were nail baiting and his series against Taeja was really impressive. If he can bring that level of play to ZvP then with his decent ZvT and great ZvZ, he might be able to get much further than he currently is | ||
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way2mash4u
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TheDougler
Canada8306 Posts
On June 18 2013 10:09 Scarecrow wrote: The ending of game 3 stardust vs JD really needs to be cut up with this (starts at 2:00): Ha!! Brilliant! | ||
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pandabox
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On June 18 2013 11:24 Blackfeather wrote: couldnt have described it better, pretty awesome writeup. I have to say it was exactly the other way round for me. After the dh dota 2 finale with lots of interesting strategies, tactical decisions and two european teams in the final, i switched over to sc2 to see two koreans tossing a coin over and over again. 4 games, 5 all-ins, 4 successful. No great micro (tbh both slipped horribly over and over again), no great strategy, no superior decision-making just coinflip into coinflip. The only fact that i found interesting is that Stardust ignored "when behind, build dark shrine" and instead did it when he was ahead. On a side note: i agree that jaedong doesnt seem to understand the mu, he's playing zvz all the time. I would argue that the matches seemed coinflippy was due to constant allins from Stardust. Stardust had to micro inorder for his allins to work and he did. For game 5, Stardust was behind after JD held his attack, the dts did a lot of damage to JD's economy an important part to Stardust's victory. | ||
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ne4aJIb
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LightSpectra
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Archeon
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On June 18 2013 11:27 BigFan wrote: you should watch JD's series against Taeja and Lucifron. Ya, he made lots of mistakes against Lucifron but both series were nail baiting and his series against Taeja was really impressive. If he can bring that level of play to ZvP then with his decent ZvT and great ZvZ, he might be able to get much further than he currently is That might very well be, i didnt want to say that sc2 just consists of all-ins nor that Jaedong is a bad player (after watching his stream, i think that he might be the most gifted individual in terms of mechanics on the planet), just that i found the final pretty disappointing in every regards. Note that the following is solely my opinion on why i liked the dota 2 final way more than the sc2 final: I regard pvt and especially pvz as repetitive and uninteresting as in both mus most of the time one side all-ins and 9/10 all-ins end in a scenario clearly favoring one side, which in sc2 is pretty much game every time. Watching each player choosing a build that in 10 minutes will either save them or doom them without any idea what the opponent is going for into waiting 5-10 minutes for one fight in which one side rolls over the other and we either see an immediate gg or 5-10 minutes of death animation every time is just not what i think is a rewarding viewer experience. To make things worse, most of the builds are well known. On June 18 2013 11:35 pandabox wrote: I would argue that the matches seemed coinflippy was due to constant allins from Stardust. Stardust had to micro inorder for his allins to work and he did. For game 5, Stardust was behind after JD held his attack, the dts did a lot of damage to JD's economy an important part to Stardust's victory. What you describe is what i anticipated to happen, but JD chose to all-in in 2 games too. I think it was on bel'shir vestige where he massed lings in the early game and was stopped by a reinforced wall and later on counter-all-inned and on akilon his ling-rush was successful. I dont say that there is no skill involved, just that on an equal level if the enemy has the right response it wont work. Which means that you are blindly hoping that the enemy wont have a good response, which is nothing but a coin flip. Both players looked sloppy quite some times, which is not what i expected at least from JD. If i recall it right, in the dt-game Stardust was either on 3 base against 3base zerg or 3 base toss against 2 base zerg. Neither is a scenario where i would say that Stardust is behind. His army was a bit smaller if i recall it right, but i doubt that JD could have doom-pushed against him. | ||
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