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Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
June 18 2013 05:36 GMT
#9721
On June 18 2013 13:40 r691175002 wrote:
I see where you are coming from. Recently, a lot of high-level matchups feel very coinflippy.

Taeja vs Jaedong stands out as well. Jaedong clearly mindgamed taeja from in-house practice (knowing to wait for the depot, and then knowing Taeja will 3cc after tilting) but in both cases the players chose their builds blindly and then find out who wins 5 minutes later.

The Jaedong/stardust series was almost as bad. Look at the third hatch cancel into roach rush. Is there any really any way to scout that with standard play? I'm not seeing any viable skill-based counter-play once the builds are chosen.


I realize that scouting and controlling the information your opponent sees is a large part of playing SC2 but was it this bad in BW?

Some games are absolutely amazing, but sometimes you just get a 2rax, cannon rush, or roach/bane allin and a player just rolls because their scout was 2 hexes to the left. Volatility is not good.

I do not agree that dota2 is a better game. I played a lot of dota back in warcraft and greatly enjoyed it, but it really falls short nowadays, especially as a spectator sport. The amount of knowledge required to play or understand the game competitively is immense (you essentially must know the abilities of every hero, and their viable builds or you will just die without even realizing what the other player did). The game is also exceptionally unforgiving and the vast majority of teamfights last all of 5 seconds.


The worst thing about Dota as an Esport is that most games a team will be ahead in the first 15 minutes and it's pretty clear they're very likely to win, but instead of them just winning the nature of the game means we have to sit there and watch them play out the inevitable win for 20+ minutes, sometimes even 40 minutes.

Unless Thorzain or Dimaga are playing when someone has a lead in Sc2 they end it within 5-10 minutes tops.
Benzzro
Profile Joined August 2011
Australia167 Posts
June 18 2013 05:43 GMT
#9722
Lol watched the Sjow vs Life game, after Sjow won, Life tried to congratulate him but couldn't get to him because of all his team mates then awkwardly went back to his booth, poor life
jonich0n
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1982 Posts
June 18 2013 05:48 GMT
#9723
Stardust has just turned PvZ on it's head!! amazing play vZ... especially game5. those timings...

was pulling for JD but Stardust grew on me for sure. exciting games in the bo5!
(>'.')>
Taefox
Profile Joined March 2010
1533 Posts
June 18 2013 05:50 GMT
#9724
I went to bed when life 1-0 sjow
... WTF ? seriously ? O_o Huge victory for Sjow, can't believe this

ps: Congrats to Stardust
@taefoxy
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
June 18 2013 06:17 GMT
#9725
On June 18 2013 14:50 Porishan wrote:
I went to bed when life 1-0 sjow
... WTF ? seriously ? O_o Huge victory for Sjow, can't believe this

ps: Congrats to Stardust

I went to bed when Stardust was 1-0 in the finals And yes, what did Sjow is really amazing. Now if I understood well (I was half asleep) TLO also won his placement match vs Life (after both were eliminated in the RO8). Of course TLO is a great player but Life certainly wasn't in his godlike form.
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
June 18 2013 07:02 GMT
#9726
stardust is polt's twin brother
The two NBA teams in states with legal weed are called the Nuggets and the Blazers...
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
June 18 2013 07:05 GMT
#9727
Congrats Stardust. Couldn't stay up any longer unfortunately, too tired.
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
June 18 2013 07:07 GMT
#9728
What the hell was that Dreamhack ? :D

Stardust wins ? SjoW eliminates Life ? TLO eliminates Squirtle ?

Was there Kor food poisoning ? Or foreigners just stepped up a bit more than usual ?
LiquipediaWanderer
Aelfric
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Turkey1496 Posts
June 18 2013 07:09 GMT
#9729
Where can i watch the vod of last game sd vs jd ?
Tomorrow never comes until its too late...
Pegas
Profile Joined April 2012
Romania211 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-18 07:27:33
June 18 2013 07:19 GMT
#9730
Way impressed by TLO. Guess all dat meditation did worked.

Also congrats to Stardust , although he is from Korea , he is the 1st Asian with personality that I ever saw
As a rule, men worry more about what they can't see than about what they can
Dworlines
Profile Joined February 2012
France5 Posts
June 18 2013 07:26 GMT
#9731
On June 18 2013 16:09 Aelfric wrote:
Where can i watch the vod of last game sd vs jd ?


http://www.twitch.tv/dreamhacksc2/b/418180382?t=8h01m55s
all the games
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
June 18 2013 07:27 GMT
#9732
Gratz to Stardust. ALso i want to say that im surprised that the games in the final were so good. I guess im still traumatized by WoL PvZ.
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
June 18 2013 07:27 GMT
#9733
On June 18 2013 16:19 Pegas wrote:
Way impressed by TLO. Guess all dat meditation did worked I guess.

Also congrats to Stardust , although he is from Korea , he is the 1st Asian with personality that I ever saw


Wat ? How on earth did you miss MC, MKP, DRG, Leenock, Polt (and many more, even if it shows a bit less, like Crank, Ryung, Alicia, etc) ? :D
LiquipediaWanderer
gTank
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria2671 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-18 07:32:10
June 18 2013 07:30 GMT
#9734
DH always entertains the most, for me clearly the most exciting offline tournament!
The crowd cheering for Sjow in the last Set against Life was giving me nerdchills :D I rather watch DH and what happened there any day instead of Proleague with 2-5 ppl sitting in the booth.

edit: and me cheering for a Protoss is something that doesn't happen that often ^^
One crossed wire, one wayward pinch of potassium chlorate, one errant twitch...and kablooie!
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
June 18 2013 07:30 GMT
#9735
epic finals !

glad that Protoss finally won something !

where can I catch the VOD's from the grand final, only missed these because of work
T H C makes ppl happy
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
June 18 2013 07:31 GMT
#9736
On June 18 2013 16:26 Dworlines wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2013 16:09 Aelfric wrote:
Where can i watch the vod of last game sd vs jd ?


http://www.twitch.tv/dreamhacksc2/b/418180382?t=8h01m55s
all the games

thanks alot ! :D
T H C makes ppl happy
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-18 07:34:07
June 18 2013 07:34 GMT
#9737
Oh snap, that's right. Protosses rejoice !
LiquipediaWanderer
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27477 Posts
June 18 2013 07:36 GMT
#9738
Lol, not like HerO won WCS NA or anything....

Finally, Protoss have won ANOTHER tournament, long may it continue
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
June 18 2013 07:39 GMT
#9739
On June 18 2013 14:36 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2013 13:40 r691175002 wrote:
I see where you are coming from. Recently, a lot of high-level matchups feel very coinflippy.

Taeja vs Jaedong stands out as well. Jaedong clearly mindgamed taeja from in-house practice (knowing to wait for the depot, and then knowing Taeja will 3cc after tilting) but in both cases the players chose their builds blindly and then find out who wins 5 minutes later.

The Jaedong/stardust series was almost as bad. Look at the third hatch cancel into roach rush. Is there any really any way to scout that with standard play? I'm not seeing any viable skill-based counter-play once the builds are chosen.


I realize that scouting and controlling the information your opponent sees is a large part of playing SC2 but was it this bad in BW?

Some games are absolutely amazing, but sometimes you just get a 2rax, cannon rush, or roach/bane allin and a player just rolls because their scout was 2 hexes to the left. Volatility is not good.

I do not agree that dota2 is a better game. I played a lot of dota back in warcraft and greatly enjoyed it, but it really falls short nowadays, especially as a spectator sport. The amount of knowledge required to play or understand the game competitively is immense (you essentially must know the abilities of every hero, and their viable builds or you will just die without even realizing what the other player did). The game is also exceptionally unforgiving and the vast majority of teamfights last all of 5 seconds.


The worst thing about Dota as an Esport is that most games a team will be ahead in the first 15 minutes and it's pretty clear they're very likely to win, but instead of them just winning the nature of the game means we have to sit there and watch them play out the inevitable win for 20+ minutes, sometimes even 40 minutes.

Unless Thorzain or Dimaga are playing when someone has a lead in Sc2 they end it within 5-10 minutes tops.


In BW there of course were some hard counter builds, but they were very rare. Still the best players (JD, Flash) would overcome these, mainly by micro, against most players outside of top 3 or 5.
ihasaKAROT: "Wish people would stop wasting their lives on finding flaws in others"
eipeifeetS
Profile Joined May 2013
Netherlands17 Posts
June 18 2013 07:57 GMT
#9740
On June 18 2013 14:43 Benzzro wrote:
Lol watched the Sjow vs Life game, after Sjow won, Life tried to congratulate him but couldn't get to him because of all his team mates then awkwardly went back to his booth, poor life

Poor Life I bet he feels like shit right now, and he still has a long way to travel back to Korea..
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