EPTOn June 18 2013 13:40 r691175002 wrote:
I see where you are coming from. Recently, a lot of high-level matchups feel very coinflippy.
Taeja vs Jaedong stands out as well. Jaedong clearly mindgamed taeja from in-house practice (knowing to wait for the depot, and then knowing Taeja will 3cc after tilting) but in both cases the players chose their builds blindly and then find out who wins 5 minutes later.
The Jaedong/stardust series was almost as bad. Look at the third hatch cancel into roach rush. Is there any really any way to scout that with standard play? I'm not seeing any viable skill-based counter-play once the builds are chosen.
I realize that scouting and controlling the information your opponent sees is a large part of playing SC2 but was it this bad in BW?
Some games are absolutely amazing, but sometimes you just get a 2rax, cannon rush, or roach/bane allin and a player just rolls because their scout was 2 hexes to the left. Volatility is not good.
I do not agree that dota2 is a better game. I played a lot of dota back in warcraft and greatly enjoyed it, but it really falls short nowadays, especially as a spectator sport. The amount of knowledge required to play or understand the game competitively is immense (you essentially must know the abilities of every hero, and their viable builds or you will just die without even realizing what the other player did). The game is also exceptionally unforgiving and the vast majority of teamfights last all of 5 seconds.
I see where you are coming from. Recently, a lot of high-level matchups feel very coinflippy.
Taeja vs Jaedong stands out as well. Jaedong clearly mindgamed taeja from in-house practice (knowing to wait for the depot, and then knowing Taeja will 3cc after tilting) but in both cases the players chose their builds blindly and then find out who wins 5 minutes later.
The Jaedong/stardust series was almost as bad. Look at the third hatch cancel into roach rush. Is there any really any way to scout that with standard play? I'm not seeing any viable skill-based counter-play once the builds are chosen.
I realize that scouting and controlling the information your opponent sees is a large part of playing SC2 but was it this bad in BW?
Some games are absolutely amazing, but sometimes you just get a 2rax, cannon rush, or roach/bane allin and a player just rolls because their scout was 2 hexes to the left. Volatility is not good.
I do not agree that dota2 is a better game. I played a lot of dota back in warcraft and greatly enjoyed it, but it really falls short nowadays, especially as a spectator sport. The amount of knowledge required to play or understand the game competitively is immense (you essentially must know the abilities of every hero, and their viable builds or you will just die without even realizing what the other player did). The game is also exceptionally unforgiving and the vast majority of teamfights last all of 5 seconds.
The worst thing about Dota as an Esport is that most games a team will be ahead in the first 15 minutes and it's pretty clear they're very likely to win, but instead of them just winning the nature of the game means we have to sit there and watch them play out the inevitable win for 20+ minutes, sometimes even 40 minutes.
Unless Thorzain or Dimaga are playing when someone has a lead in Sc2 they end it within 5-10 minutes tops.
And yes, what did Sjow is really amazing. Now if I understood well (I was half asleep) TLO also won his placement match vs Life (after both were eliminated in the RO8). Of course TLO is a great player but Life certainly wasn't in his godlike form.
