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DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
May 30 2013 12:34 GMT
#641
Let's go Tear! hype
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yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2972 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-30 12:35:45
May 30 2013 12:34 GMT
#642
Good that MKP is staying alive. I hope Hurricane wins and just put First out of his misery and end the tiebreakers next.
"Numbers speak about the past, not the present." -Thorzain
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
May 30 2013 12:34 GMT
#643
Gogo MKP!
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
May 30 2013 12:34 GMT
#644
On May 30 2013 21:34 Dark.Carnival wrote:
why First why, losing twice to MKP is so shameful ;-;

MKP had a 85% winrate over the stretch of ten months

no joke.
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
May 30 2013 12:34 GMT
#645
On May 30 2013 21:33 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2013 21:30 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 30 2013 21:28 Vindicare605 wrote:
On May 30 2013 21:27 eGoRama wrote:
The crying is just unbelievable cause of one game, and ofc cause this is MKP. If this was Bang it would be - ermm, okay, he lost to timing and was unprepared


The discussion is because of the proposed Warp Prism buff. If that wasn't on the table no one would be saying anything.


In this situation it really doesn't matter. If you have no idea that it's coming you're not gonna stop it, whether the prism has speed or not. Taking this game as a serious argument against the speed buff is not very intelligent.


It's just an example of the larger argument.

The problem with buffing the Warp Prism the way Blizzard is suggesting is that it buffs gimmicky Protoss all in play way more than it helps them in standard play the way they would like.

Blizzard wants to buff Protoss slightly and in a way that makes them more exciting to watch. I'm all for that. Buffing them in a way that promotes more 1-2 base all ins is not the right way do that.


Well, that's something that their balance testing will have to show. This game however really shouldn't matter in that argument.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 30 2013 12:34 GMT
#646
first how could you lose to mkp twice I almost hope you lose now ;/
gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2605 Posts
May 30 2013 12:35 GMT
#647
MarineKing... I believe...
I am a dirty Protoss bullshit abuser
imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
May 30 2013 12:35 GMT
#648
On May 30 2013 21:21 TheBB wrote:
                      1st      2nd      3rd    
-----------------------------------------------
Hurricane 58.73% 41.27% 0.00%
First 41.27% 26.15% 32.59%
MarineKing 0.00% 32.59% 67.41%
Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.

Erm... this ain't right.

That makes sense because if all three games are played and it doesn't go to another tiebreaker then the person in first will be 2-0 and the person in last would be 0-2.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
May 30 2013 12:35 GMT
#649
On May 30 2013 21:34 Dodgin wrote:
first how could you lose to mkp twice I almost hope you lose now ;/

saying that as if it's shameful to lose to MKP TvP, even in his slump mkp can still play it solidly
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
May 30 2013 12:36 GMT
#650
On May 30 2013 21:30 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2013 21:28 Vindicare605 wrote:
On May 30 2013 21:27 eGoRama wrote:
The crying is just unbelievable cause of one game, and ofc cause this is MKP. If this was Bang it would be - ermm, okay, he lost to timing and was unprepared


The discussion is because of the proposed Warp Prism buff. If that wasn't on the table no one would be saying anything.


In this situation it really doesn't matter. If you have no idea that it's coming you're not gonna stop it, whether the prism has speed or not. Taking this game as a serious argument against the speed buff is not very intelligent.


It doesn't in this particular game, Mkp didn't see it coming and died, fair enough. However this buff will encourage even more gimmicky 2 base protoss builds IMO, as if we didn't need any more of those.

Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10139 Posts
May 30 2013 12:36 GMT
#651
On May 30 2013 21:33 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2013 21:30 Godwrath wrote:
On May 30 2013 21:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 30 2013 21:26 Clazziquai10 wrote:
On May 30 2013 21:25 Fusilero wrote:
You know what, I agree guys. This two year old build is overpowered which is why it's almost never done in PvT and fell out of favour rapidly after mid 2011 in PvZ.


Except that protoss didn't have nexus cannon in 2011.


So if terran does fuck up like that they actually deserve to win the game by counterattacking and flying their buildings to a corner?


What fuck up ? Having his whole army in front ? Not scouting a drop is mostly about luck for terran.

It's a silly build, a complete gamble tho.


Not scouting. Protoss loses the game if they don't know what's going on. Zerg loses the game if they don't know. Terran should lose too.


Oh yes please, tell me how he should had scouted that a sentry drop was coming that doesn't look like other thousand builds.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
May 30 2013 12:36 GMT
#652
On May 30 2013 21:35 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2013 21:34 Dodgin wrote:
first how could you lose to mkp twice I almost hope you lose now ;/

saying that as if it's shameful to lose to MKP TvP, even in his slump mkp can still play it solidly


Yep his best match up by a mile xD

GOGO First, i want a 3 way tie again :3
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Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
May 30 2013 12:36 GMT
#653
I almost forgot that SPL is still going on as well Oo
Just ahead of time, know your addiction's not a crime. It's just a smaller part of who you want to become in the end.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-30 12:38:27
May 30 2013 12:37 GMT
#654
On May 30 2013 21:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2013 21:33 Vindicare605 wrote:
On May 30 2013 21:30 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 30 2013 21:28 Vindicare605 wrote:
On May 30 2013 21:27 eGoRama wrote:
The crying is just unbelievable cause of one game, and ofc cause this is MKP. If this was Bang it would be - ermm, okay, he lost to timing and was unprepared


The discussion is because of the proposed Warp Prism buff. If that wasn't on the table no one would be saying anything.


In this situation it really doesn't matter. If you have no idea that it's coming you're not gonna stop it, whether the prism has speed or not. Taking this game as a serious argument against the speed buff is not very intelligent.


It's just an example of the larger argument.

The problem with buffing the Warp Prism the way Blizzard is suggesting is that it buffs gimmicky Protoss all in play way more than it helps them in standard play the way they would like.

Blizzard wants to buff Protoss slightly and in a way that makes them more exciting to watch. I'm all for that. Buffing them in a way that promotes more 1-2 base all ins is not the right way do that.


Well, that's something that their balance testing will have to show. This game however really shouldn't matter in that argument.


It definitely should matter, but as with every balance discussion, one game doesn't decide anything.

I'm of the opinion that if they implemented the Warp Prism buff we'd just end up seeing a lot more games like Hurricane/Marineking which might bring Protoss overall win rates up but doesn't actually solve any of the other major issues with the race and definitely doesn't make them more fun to watch.

In other words, I see it as just more Soul Train style balancing.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7833 Posts
May 30 2013 12:37 GMT
#655
First fighting!
eXdeath
Profile Joined August 2011
France66 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-30 12:38:01
May 30 2013 12:37 GMT
#656
They could also limit the warp prisms to transport 2 sentries only like they did for hellbats, if this is the problem.
Clazziquai10
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore1949 Posts
May 30 2013 12:38 GMT
#657
On May 30 2013 21:33 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2013 21:30 Godwrath wrote:
On May 30 2013 21:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 30 2013 21:26 Clazziquai10 wrote:
On May 30 2013 21:25 Fusilero wrote:
You know what, I agree guys. This two year old build is overpowered which is why it's almost never done in PvT and fell out of favour rapidly after mid 2011 in PvZ.


Except that protoss didn't have nexus cannon in 2011.


So if terran does fuck up like that they actually deserve to win the game by counterattacking and flying their buildings to a corner?


What fuck up ? Having his whole army in front ? Not scouting a drop is mostly about luck for terran.

It's a silly build, a complete gamble tho.


Not scouting. Protoss loses the game if they don't know what's going on. Zerg loses the game if they don't know. Terran should lose too.


The other day my good ol' brotoss Felicity stopped a 3 rax all-in without knowing it was comin' thanks to nexus cannon, go figure
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
May 30 2013 12:38 GMT
#658
On May 30 2013 21:36 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2013 21:33 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 30 2013 21:30 Godwrath wrote:
On May 30 2013 21:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 30 2013 21:26 Clazziquai10 wrote:
On May 30 2013 21:25 Fusilero wrote:
You know what, I agree guys. This two year old build is overpowered which is why it's almost never done in PvT and fell out of favour rapidly after mid 2011 in PvZ.


Except that protoss didn't have nexus cannon in 2011.


So if terran does fuck up like that they actually deserve to win the game by counterattacking and flying their buildings to a corner?


What fuck up ? Having his whole army in front ? Not scouting a drop is mostly about luck for terran.

It's a silly build, a complete gamble tho.


Not scouting. Protoss loses the game if they don't know what's going on. Zerg loses the game if they don't know. Terran should lose too.


Oh yes please, tell me how he should had scouted that a sentry drop was coming that doesn't look like other thousand builds.

scan ;p

tbh mkp just got unlucky, with units on lowground and badly timed production cycle and map spawns. that wouldn't have happened most of the time
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
eGoRama
Profile Joined July 2011
Bulgaria1542 Posts
May 30 2013 12:38 GMT
#659
On May 30 2013 21:36 Yello wrote:
I almost forgot that SPL is still going on as well Oo


Yeh Stork and sOs in little skirmish
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12407 Posts
May 30 2013 12:39 GMT
#660
Can we stop talking about a WP buff that they are obviously not going to ever put in the game in this totally unrelated LR thread?
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