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On May 30 2013 21:35 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 21:34 Dodgin wrote:
first how could you lose to mkp twice I almost hope you lose now ;/ saying that as if it's shameful to lose to MKP TvP, even in his slump mkp can still play it solidly
losing to prime players is shameful regardless of the circumstances 
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On May 30 2013 21:35 imallinson wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 21:21 TheBB wrote: 1st 2nd 3rd
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Hurricane 58.73% 41.27% 0.00%
First 41.27% 26.15% 32.59%
MarineKing 0.00% 32.59% 67.41% Erm... this ain't right. That makes sense because if all three games are played and it doesn't go to another tiebreaker then the person in first will be 2-0 and the person in last would be 0-2.
Yes, but it CAN go to a tiebreaker. Those numbers are supposed to be accounted for, but they aren't.
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On May 30 2013 21:37 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 21:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 30 2013 21:33 Vindicare605 wrote:On May 30 2013 21:30 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 30 2013 21:28 Vindicare605 wrote:On May 30 2013 21:27 eGoRama wrote:
The crying is just unbelievable cause of one game, and ofc cause this is MKP. If this was Bang it would be - ermm, okay, he lost to timing and was unprepared The discussion is because of the proposed Warp Prism buff. If that wasn't on the table no one would be saying anything. In this situation it really doesn't matter. If you have no idea that it's coming you're not gonna stop it, whether the prism has speed or not. Taking this game as a serious argument against the speed buff is not very intelligent. It's just an example of the larger argument. The problem with buffing the Warp Prism the way Blizzard is suggesting is that it buffs gimmicky Protoss all in play way more than it helps them in standard play the way they would like. Blizzard wants to buff Protoss slightly and in a way that makes them more exciting to watch. I'm all for that. Buffing them in a way that promotes more 1-2 base all ins is not the right way do that. Well, that's something that their balance testing will have to show. This game however really shouldn't matter in that argument. It definitely should matter, but as with every balance discussion, one game doesn't decide anything. I'm of the opinion that if they implemented the Warp Prism buff we'd just end up seeing a lot more games like Hurricane/Marineking which might bring Protoss overall win rates up but doesn't actually solve any of the other major issues with the race and definitely doesn't make them more fun to watch. In other words, I see it as just more Soul Train style balancing.
You can see those games without the prism buff. We just did. The prism speed has little to no particular effect on that specific build. It is therefore not evidence for or against that change.
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There's 7 maps in the map pool... Why of all maps are they playing on the same map they were earlier?
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On May 30 2013 21:39 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 21:35 opterown wrote:On May 30 2013 21:34 Dodgin wrote:
first how could you lose to mkp twice I almost hope you lose now ;/ saying that as if it's shameful to lose to MKP TvP, even in his slump mkp can still play it solidly losing to prime players is shameful regardless of the circumstances
such bad manner, dodgin
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United Kingdom3482 Posts
On May 30 2013 21:39 TheBB wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 21:35 imallinson wrote:On May 30 2013 21:21 TheBB wrote: 1st 2nd 3rd
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Hurricane 58.73% 41.27% 0.00%
First 41.27% 26.15% 32.59%
MarineKing 0.00% 32.59% 67.41% Erm... this ain't right. That makes sense because if all three games are played and it doesn't go to another tiebreaker then the person in first will be 2-0 and the person in last would be 0-2. Yes, but it CAN go to a tiebreaker. Those numbers are supposed to be accounted for, but they aren't.
Ahhh. Yeah something is definitely broken then.
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last time you gave it to me, so this time i'll give it to you. it's only fair.
i see what they did there.
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Austria24417 Posts
On May 30 2013 21:36 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 21:33 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 30 2013 21:30 Godwrath wrote:On May 30 2013 21:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 30 2013 21:26 Clazziquai10 wrote:On May 30 2013 21:25 Fusilero wrote:
You know what, I agree guys. This two year old build is overpowered which is why it's almost never done in PvT and fell out of favour rapidly after mid 2011 in PvZ. Except that protoss didn't have nexus cannon in 2011. So if terran does fuck up like that they actually deserve to win the game by counterattacking and flying their buildings to a corner? What fuck up ? Having his whole army in front ? Not scouting a drop is mostly about luck for terran. It's a silly build, a complete gamble tho. Not scouting. Protoss loses the game if they don't know what's going on. Zerg loses the game if they don't know. Terran should lose too. Oh yes please, tell me how he should had scouted that a sentry drop was coming that doesn't look like other thousand builds.
Using that energy thing on one of your CCs that gives you scouting information. If you see a robo and 7 gates it's not an immortal all in, you can't afford that. Can only be one thing.
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On May 30 2013 21:39 Brett wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 21:37 Vindicare605 wrote:On May 30 2013 21:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 30 2013 21:33 Vindicare605 wrote:On May 30 2013 21:30 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 30 2013 21:28 Vindicare605 wrote:On May 30 2013 21:27 eGoRama wrote:
The crying is just unbelievable cause of one game, and ofc cause this is MKP. If this was Bang it would be - ermm, okay, he lost to timing and was unprepared The discussion is because of the proposed Warp Prism buff. If that wasn't on the table no one would be saying anything. In this situation it really doesn't matter. If you have no idea that it's coming you're not gonna stop it, whether the prism has speed or not. Taking this game as a serious argument against the speed buff is not very intelligent. It's just an example of the larger argument. The problem with buffing the Warp Prism the way Blizzard is suggesting is that it buffs gimmicky Protoss all in play way more than it helps them in standard play the way they would like. Blizzard wants to buff Protoss slightly and in a way that makes them more exciting to watch. I'm all for that. Buffing them in a way that promotes more 1-2 base all ins is not the right way do that. Well, that's something that their balance testing will have to show. This game however really shouldn't matter in that argument. It definitely should matter, but as with every balance discussion, one game doesn't decide anything. I'm of the opinion that if they implemented the Warp Prism buff we'd just end up seeing a lot more games like Hurricane/Marineking which might bring Protoss overall win rates up but doesn't actually solve any of the other major issues with the race and definitely doesn't make them more fun to watch. In other words, I see it as just more Soul Train style balancing. You can see those games without the prism buff. We just did. The prism speed has little to no particular effect on that specific build. It is therefore not evidence for or against that change.
Brett, you said you give up on this :D
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On May 30 2013 21:38 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 21:36 Godwrath wrote:On May 30 2013 21:33 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 30 2013 21:30 Godwrath wrote:On May 30 2013 21:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 30 2013 21:26 Clazziquai10 wrote:On May 30 2013 21:25 Fusilero wrote:
You know what, I agree guys. This two year old build is overpowered which is why it's almost never done in PvT and fell out of favour rapidly after mid 2011 in PvZ. Except that protoss didn't have nexus cannon in 2011. So if terran does fuck up like that they actually deserve to win the game by counterattacking and flying their buildings to a corner? What fuck up ? Having his whole army in front ? Not scouting a drop is mostly about luck for terran. It's a silly build, a complete gamble tho. Not scouting. Protoss loses the game if they don't know what's going on. Zerg loses the game if they don't know. Terran should lose too. Oh yes please, tell me how he should had scouted that a sentry drop was coming that doesn't look like other thousand builds. scan ;p tbh mkp just got unlucky, with units on lowground and badly timed production cycle and map spawns. that wouldn't have happened most of the time
I don't know, some people should play terran before doing that kind of silly statements like "no scout", i don't even think the build is op, just a big high risk high reward gamble, but calling that a "fuck up" is just nonsense ;p
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If First wins, we have another tiebreaker right?
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51480 Posts
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
A second immortal was so greedy by hurricane
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
oh hell no plz no second tiebreaker
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Does the second tiebreaker start the "sudden death" timer all over? :o If it's MKP vs Tear again, does it mean Tear is out if he loses to MKP?
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This really looks like Rock/Paper/Scissors right now doesn't it with the three players we have.
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goddamn it First.
when the hell do you expect me to write my seminar paper?
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sigh.. you had that game if you didnt go for a second immortal -.- killed so much stuff, didnt have to be so greedy
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Poll: Recommend Hurricane vs First (Tie-Breaker)?If you have time (4) 50% Yes (2) 25% No (2) 25% 8 total votes Your vote: Recommend Hurricane vs First (Tie-Breaker)? (Vote): Yes
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(Vote): If you have time
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