Hurricane vs. MarineKing First vs. TRUE Hurricane vs. Bang TRUE vs. MarineKing First vs. Bang TRUE vs. Hurricane MarineKing vs. Bang First vs. Hurricane TRUE vs. Bang First vs. MarineKing
(Vote): Hurricane & Marineking (Vote): Hurricane & First (Vote): Hurricane & True (Vote): Hurricane & Bang (Vote): Marineking & First (Vote): Marineking & True (Vote): Marineking & Bang (Vote): First & True (Vote): First & Bang (Vote): True & Bang
Poll: Head?
First & True (7)
30%
Hurricane & Marineking (6)
26%
Hurricane & First (3)
13%
Hurricane & True (3)
13%
Hurricane & Bang (1)
4%
Marineking & First (1)
4%
Marineking & Bang (1)
4%
True & Bang (1)
4%
Marineking & True (0)
0%
First & Bang (0)
0%
23 total votes
Your vote: Head?
(Vote): Hurricane & Marineking (Vote): Hurricane & First (Vote): Hurricane & True (Vote): Hurricane & Bang (Vote): Marineking & First (Vote): Marineking & True (Vote): Marineking & Bang (Vote): First & True (Vote): First & Bang (Vote): True & Bang
On May 30 2013 16:55 lichter wrote: I hope someone does SPL because I can't =/
First and True are my bets for the day
I can try to do both at the same time. I've got two screens so it should be possible. I'll just get the thread up if nobody else does it in the next 20 minutes
On May 30 2013 16:55 lichter wrote: I hope someone does SPL because I can't =/
First and True are my bets for the day
I can try to do both at the same time. I've got two screens so it should be possible. I'll just get the thread up if nobody else does it in the next 20 minutes
On May 30 2013 16:55 lichter wrote: I hope someone does SPL because I can't =/
First and True are my bets for the day
I can try to do both at the same time. I've got two screens so it should be possible. I'll just get the thread up if nobody else does it in the next 20 minutes
I wish I had a dual screen T_T
Joys of being able to watch it from home I could do them all the time if i didn't have to do this stupid thing called work ahaha.
Time to move to Australlia/Korea time zone to be able ahah
On May 30 2013 16:55 lichter wrote: I hope someone does SPL because I can't =/
First and True are my bets for the day
I can try to do both at the same time. I've got two screens so it should be possible. I'll just get the thread up if nobody else does it in the next 20 minutes
I wish I had a dual screen T_T
Joys of being able to watch it from home I could do them all the time if i didn't have to do this stupid thing called work ahaha.
Time to move to Australlia/Korea time zone to be able ahah
On May 30 2013 16:55 lichter wrote: I hope someone does SPL because I can't =/
First and True are my bets for the day
I can try to do both at the same time. I've got two screens so it should be possible. I'll just get the thread up if nobody else does it in the next 20 minutes
I wish I had a dual screen T_T
Joys of being able to watch it from home I could do them all the time if i didn't have to do this stupid thing called work ahaha.
Time to move to Australlia/Korea time zone to be able ahah
I do all my OPs at work while watching, lol
Perks of being the boss
well, I've got this much time because I screwed up my studies and now I have to study one extra year which means I've got almost nothing to do this year. And yeah, I fucked up because of watching and playing too much SC2 instead of learning ^.^
On May 30 2013 16:55 lichter wrote: I hope someone does SPL because I can't =/
First and True are my bets for the day
I can try to do both at the same time. I've got two screens so it should be possible. I'll just get the thread up if nobody else does it in the next 20 minutes
I wish I had a dual screen T_T
Joys of being able to watch it from home I could do them all the time if i didn't have to do this stupid thing called work ahaha.
Time to move to Australlia/Korea time zone to be able ahah
I do all my OPs at work while watching, lol
Perks of being the boss
well, I've got this much time because I screwed up my studies and now I have to study one extra year which means I've got almost nothing to do this year. And yeah, I fucked up because of watching and playing too much SC2 instead of learning ^.^
On May 30 2013 16:44 Pandemona wrote: Come on MKP, please improve ;_; Group with only one Zerg in it tells me he has the "chance" to go 4-1...but who knows! Do hope he gets out
he won't go 4-1. it's a five-player group. i hope he'll go 4-0 though
On May 30 2013 16:44 Pandemona wrote: Come on MKP, please improve ;_; Group with only one Zerg in it tells me he has the "chance" to go 4-1...but who knows! Do hope he gets out
he won't go 4-1. it's a five-player group. i hope he'll go 4-0 though
Well i'll ninja edit that then :W
But yeah i think 3-1 xD which will be more than enough to see him through <3
On May 30 2013 17:40 Yello wrote: btw lichter, since you said that you are the boss I Imagine you look like this for example when your favorite player loses to hellbat-drops :p
On May 30 2013 17:40 Yello wrote: btw lichter, since you said that you are the boss I Imagine you look like this for example when your favorite player loses to hellbat-drops :p
Replace him with a handsome Asian guy, and yeah more or less
On May 30 2013 18:21 artrea wrote: Those 2 reapers not very helpful for scouting
If he had four of them he would kill the Protoss easily ... the Stalker doesnt really deal that much against one of them and since there is a second Protoss base you just go kill the base where the Photon Overcharge isnt. Reapers heal themselves without a Medivac (and without energy!) and you can mass them up easily very very early.
such a good opening, hits every upgrade timing perfectly, gets a macro-advantage and upgrade-lead. And then loses his third to a DT and goes full suicide without Vikings into 4 Colossai. I don't understand.... why?
On May 30 2013 18:30 Vindicare605 wrote: This game was a textbook example of someone just absolutely tilting to a minor amount of DT pressure.
That was just brutal to watch. Marineking playing just fine, gets harassed and throws his army and third away.
Or a textbook example of someone who lost his confidence.
The loss of confidence could be the root cause of the tilt, I won't argue that possibility.
No, I didn't think you would. It's a shame really; I'm sure he knows he's taking unfavorable engagements but he proceeds with them anyway like someone who's trying to avoid the tree but is actually steering right into it..
On May 30 2013 18:34 Yello wrote: holy shit I think someone fired a weapon somewhere in my neighborhood. Let me check real quick if I should call the police
On May 30 2013 18:46 Vindicare605 wrote: Khaldor is doing everything he can to resist complaining about Void Rays. You can hear the subdued frustration in his tone.
I don't blame him either. This game is pretty hard to watch if you play Zerg.
The problem with voids for me is they're as interesting as corruptors and have less of a place in the game.
On May 30 2013 18:47 Waxangel wrote: First FINALLY reaching his potential? he's been sorta on the cusp for so long now, would be great to see him in code S finally
First is kinda like puma, he's been extremely successful in foreign events since his first one last year when he qualified for an MLG arena, but has never been able to make code s.
well i guess not quite puma since puma never made code a
On May 30 2013 18:47 Waxangel wrote: First FINALLY reaching his potential? he's been sorta on the cusp for so long now, would be great to see him in code S finally
He's going to do what he did his last time in the Up & Downs. Go up 2-0 and fall to 2-2 and not advance n 3rd place.
did no one see this engagement at the third? the zerg had the army to kill every single void ray and win the game right there, he just mismicroed bigtime
On May 30 2013 18:48 gingerfluffmuff wrote: Best concave i have ever seen from a Z. How is it possible to lose this -__-.
Having over half your army targeting the nexus while VR's are killing your hydra's is one way. True never really micro'd his hydra's. If he had, he would have handedly won that first fight and went on to win the game.
On May 30 2013 18:48 gingerfluffmuff wrote: Best concave i have ever seen from a Z. How is it possible to lose this -__-.
True should have lowered the Void numbers and not take out the base. I make the same mistake too often as well, trading your army for a base against this composition is generally a bad idea because that Toss army can only get scarier and scarier.
On May 30 2013 18:49 Ygritte wrote: did no one see this engagement at the third? the zerg had the army to kill every single void ray and win the game right there, he just mismicroed bigtime
People just love to complain about Void Rays instead of acknowledging mistakes on the Zerg side.
On May 30 2013 18:48 gingerfluffmuff wrote: Best concave i have ever seen from a Z. How is it possible to lose this -__-.
Having over half your army targeting the nexus while VR's are killing your hydra's is one way. True never really micro'd his hydra's. If he had, he would have handedly won that first fight and went on to win the game.
True that.Outcome of the fight - All Hydras are dead, all Sentries and Zealots are dead, the Nexus is dead, but the VR are alive, he lost maybe 1/4 of them. He kept the numbers high enough to crush the second attack with more Zealots to suck dmg and rolled True over. Also with double Stargate, transition into 12-15 Mutalisk will do nothing and did nothing
On May 30 2013 18:48 gingerfluffmuff wrote: Best concave i have ever seen from a Z. How is it possible to lose this -__-.
Hydralisks are not a good unit in the grand scheme of things. Very specific timings where they work well, this aint broodwar .
his timing was really good though it was something like 28 hydras vs 7 or 8 void rays
he would have to have all of his hydras clumped up right next to the voids in the open for it to work as simply as those numbers would indicate. He was attacking a third with some FFs/structures impeding him, giving the voids some things to micro around. He would have had to commit completely to killing them and he shit the bed trying to kill the nexus while killing the voids.
The Hydra timing was really good actually, he had like at least triple the amount of Hydras compared to Void Rays, and a strong supply lead, but his micro was really bad, First actually microed his void rays against the hydras and traded well despite losing the Nexus.
On May 30 2013 19:00 Schelim wrote: now we will see if he is...
the true...
marineking
YEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAH
You need an actual play on words when you do that if you want to try and be funny, or at least something that hasn't already been said a million times.
On May 30 2013 18:46 Vindicare605 wrote: Khaldor is doing everything he can to resist complaining about Void Rays. You can hear the subdued frustration in his tone.
I don't blame him either. This game is pretty hard to watch if you play Zerg.
I think not just for zerg players, it's for the viewers as well. it's annoying to lose to, it's stupid to watch and probably boring to play as well
On May 30 2013 19:00 Schelim wrote: now we will see if he is...
the true...
marineking
YEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAH
You need an actual play on words when you do that if you want to try and be funny, or at least something that hasn't already been said a million times.
Pretty sure the play on words was the "the TRUE" since he's up against him next
On May 30 2013 18:46 Vindicare605 wrote: Khaldor is doing everything he can to resist complaining about Void Rays. You can hear the subdued frustration in his tone.
I don't blame him either. This game is pretty hard to watch if you play Zerg.
I think not just for zerg players, it's for the viewers as well. it's annoying to lose to, it's stupid to watch and probably boring to play as well
Speak for yourself, I find perverse enjoyment in playing Protoss in team games and making 30 void rays.
On May 30 2013 19:00 Schelim wrote: now we will see if he is...
the true...
marineking
YEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAH
You need an actual play on words when you do that if you want to try and be funny, or at least something that hasn't already been said a million times.
Pretty sure the play on words was the "the TRUE" since he's up against him next
exactly. i'll gladly admit it wasn't particularly good though.
This seems like a variation where Zerg does not want to hold it too long, just upset MKP a bit, only thing why not make a queen and put down a few spores ?
On May 30 2013 19:21 ETisME wrote: bio tank is so good to watch T T way better than bio mine imo
Siege Tanks are just fun units to watch and fun units to play with.
I really don't understand why Blizz keeps trying to force Terrans away from Siege Tanks. I really don't.
The reason has to be TvT, they somehow think positional siege tank play is a "problem" and originally created the warhound as a means to a-move through tanks.
A buffed tank would make TvT much more tank-oriented again.
On May 30 2013 19:21 ETisME wrote: bio tank is so good to watch T T way better than bio mine imo
Siege Tanks are just fun units to watch and fun units to play with.
I really don't understand why Blizz keeps trying to force Terrans away from Siege Tanks. I really don't.
How are they forcing terrans away from tanks ? they even removed the upgrade from them.
Aside from just speculation caused by current Widow Mine design overlapping with Tanks as well as the proposed addition of Warhounds to "break tank stalemates" there was also a quote from David Kim a few weeks ago talking about how he feels Bio is more exciting to watch than Mech play and thus should be encouraged.
These are just some examples, but it really feels that the current dev team has something against heavy tank play.
On May 30 2013 19:21 ETisME wrote: bio tank is so good to watch T T way better than bio mine imo
Siege Tanks are just fun units to watch and fun units to play with.
I really don't understand why Blizz keeps trying to force Terrans away from Siege Tanks. I really don't.
How are they forcing terrans away from tanks ? they even removed the upgrade from them.
Tanks costs a lot of gas and supply and their damage against light units is pretty poor. By adding in widow mines which are much cheaper, can be reactored, and do better splash, Blizzard has moved Terran further away from tanks. Also vipers hardcounter tanks in two different ways but have no effect on mines.
The dev team has stated on multiple occasions that they don't like tank-heavy play. They even introduced warhounds as a way to make tank lines easy to break in TvT and only removed them because they broke the non-mirrors. DB even talked about adding some kind of super long range nuke to Terran so that you could just blow up siege lines.
On May 30 2013 19:42 Kasaraki wrote: Haha, the classic terran throwing away his army to kill buildings move.
i think all races do that, except protoss and zerg have a slighty easier time to rebuild, etc?
This is true. I just remember this exact movement of a MMM army walking into the Protoss base, Protoss army right behind, and they end up being cleaned up so easily. I need another name for it.
I just got here, how is bang holding up I see he's 0-2. From watching online leagues I thought bang would do well but I suppose not could it be because of nerves?
On May 30 2013 19:41 forsooth wrote: Yeah, Bang has a serious case of booth nerves. He's doing all kinds of weird stuff I can almost guarantee he doesn't do in practice.
On May 30 2013 19:42 Kasaraki wrote: Haha, the classic terran throwing away his army to kill buildings move.
i think all races do that, except protoss and zerg have a slighty easier time to rebuild, etc?
This is true. I just remember this exact movement of a MMM army walking into the Protoss base, Protoss army right behind, and they end up being cleaned up so easily. I need another name for it.
Do you remember IPTL, Seed vs Taeja and that MMM walking up the ramp in Seed's base and the Storm show after that :D
On May 30 2013 19:42 Kasaraki wrote: Haha, the classic terran throwing away his army to kill buildings move.
i think all races do that, except protoss and zerg have a slighty easier time to rebuild, etc?
This is true. I just remember this exact movement of a MMM army walking into the Protoss base, Protoss army right behind, and they end up being cleaned up so easily. I need another name for it.
Do you remember IPTL, Seed vs Taeja and that MMM walking up the ramp in Seed's base and the Storm show after that :D
Yeah exactly! That's one of my prime examples of this exact move. :D TaeJa did it against First in TSL4 too I believe.
On May 30 2013 19:42 Kasaraki wrote: Haha, the classic terran throwing away his army to kill buildings move.
i think all races do that, except protoss and zerg have a slighty easier time to rebuild, etc?
This is true. I just remember this exact movement of a MMM army walking into the Protoss base, Protoss army right behind, and they end up being cleaned up so easily. I need another name for it.
Do you remember IPTL, Seed vs Taeja and that MMM walking up the ramp in Seed's base and the Storm show after that :D
Yeah exactly! That's one of my prime examples of this exact move. :D TaeJa did it against First in TSL4 too I believe.
Stareagle vs grubby is the ultimate example of that. Stareagle was what 100 supply on grubby but he kept trying to zerg grubby's buildings and got stormed to death for it.
On May 30 2013 19:42 Kasaraki wrote: Haha, the classic terran throwing away his army to kill buildings move.
i think all races do that, except protoss and zerg have a slighty easier time to rebuild, etc?
This is true. I just remember this exact movement of a MMM army walking into the Protoss base, Protoss army right behind, and they end up being cleaned up so easily. I need another name for it.
Do you remember IPTL, Seed vs Taeja and that MMM walking up the ramp in Seed's base and the Storm show after that :D
Yeah exactly! That's one of my prime examples of this exact move. :D TaeJa did it against First in TSL4 too I believe.
Stareagle vs grubby is the ultimate example of that. Stareagle was what 100 supply on grubby but he kept trying to zerg grubby's buildings and got stormed to death for it.
Hey, that was in the middle of the map, nothing to do with buildings.
On May 30 2013 19:42 Kasaraki wrote: Haha, the classic terran throwing away his army to kill buildings move.
i think all races do that, except protoss and zerg have a slighty easier time to rebuild, etc?
This is true. I just remember this exact movement of a MMM army walking into the Protoss base, Protoss army right behind, and they end up being cleaned up so easily. I need another name for it.
Do you remember IPTL, Seed vs Taeja and that MMM walking up the ramp in Seed's base and the Storm show after that :D
Yeah exactly! That's one of my prime examples of this exact move. :D TaeJa did it against First in TSL4 too I believe.
Stareagle vs grubby is the ultimate example of that. Stareagle was what 100 supply on grubby but he kept trying to zerg grubby's buildings and got stormed to death for it.
On May 30 2013 19:42 Kasaraki wrote: Haha, the classic terran throwing away his army to kill buildings move.
i think all races do that, except protoss and zerg have a slighty easier time to rebuild, etc?
This is true. I just remember this exact movement of a MMM army walking into the Protoss base, Protoss army right behind, and they end up being cleaned up so easily. I need another name for it.
Do you remember IPTL, Seed vs Taeja and that MMM walking up the ramp in Seed's base and the Storm show after that :D
Yeah exactly! That's one of my prime examples of this exact move. :D TaeJa did it against First in TSL4 too I believe.
Stareagle vs grubby is the ultimate example of that. Stareagle was what 100 supply on grubby but he kept trying to zerg grubby's buildings and got stormed to death for it.
On May 30 2013 19:42 Kasaraki wrote: Haha, the classic terran throwing away his army to kill buildings move.
i think all races do that, except protoss and zerg have a slighty easier time to rebuild, etc?
This is true. I just remember this exact movement of a MMM army walking into the Protoss base, Protoss army right behind, and they end up being cleaned up so easily. I need another name for it.
Do you remember IPTL, Seed vs Taeja and that MMM walking up the ramp in Seed's base and the Storm show after that :D
Yeah exactly! That's one of my prime examples of this exact move. :D TaeJa did it against First in TSL4 too I believe.
Stareagle vs grubby is the ultimate example of that. Stareagle was what 100 supply on grubby but he kept trying to zerg grubby's buildings and got stormed to death for it.
On May 30 2013 19:42 Kasaraki wrote: Haha, the classic terran throwing away his army to kill buildings move.
i think all races do that, except protoss and zerg have a slighty easier time to rebuild, etc?
This is true. I just remember this exact movement of a MMM army walking into the Protoss base, Protoss army right behind, and they end up being cleaned up so easily. I need another name for it.
Do you remember IPTL, Seed vs Taeja and that MMM walking up the ramp in Seed's base and the Storm show after that :D
Yeah exactly! That's one of my prime examples of this exact move. :D TaeJa did it against First in TSL4 too I believe.
Stareagle vs grubby is the ultimate example of that. Stareagle was what 100 supply on grubby but he kept trying to zerg grubby's buildings and got stormed to death for it.
Hey, that was in the middle of the map, nothing to do with buildings.
He was rushing the buildings repeatedly but he ultimately lost it at the middle but it was a very long throw of nexus rushing.
On May 30 2013 19:42 Kasaraki wrote: Haha, the classic terran throwing away his army to kill buildings move.
i think all races do that, except protoss and zerg have a slighty easier time to rebuild, etc?
This is true. I just remember this exact movement of a MMM army walking into the Protoss base, Protoss army right behind, and they end up being cleaned up so easily. I need another name for it.
Do you remember IPTL, Seed vs Taeja and that MMM walking up the ramp in Seed's base and the Storm show after that :D
Yeah exactly! That's one of my prime examples of this exact move. :D TaeJa did it against First in TSL4 too I believe.
Stareagle vs grubby is the ultimate example of that. Stareagle was what 100 supply on grubby but he kept trying to zerg grubby's buildings and got stormed to death for it.
On May 30 2013 19:42 Kasaraki wrote: Haha, the classic terran throwing away his army to kill buildings move.
i think all races do that, except protoss and zerg have a slighty easier time to rebuild, etc?
This is true. I just remember this exact movement of a MMM army walking into the Protoss base, Protoss army right behind, and they end up being cleaned up so easily. I need another name for it.
Do you remember IPTL, Seed vs Taeja and that MMM walking up the ramp in Seed's base and the Storm show after that :D
Yeah exactly! That's one of my prime examples of this exact move. :D TaeJa did it against First in TSL4 too I believe.
Stareagle vs grubby is the ultimate example of that. Stareagle was what 100 supply on grubby but he kept trying to zerg grubby's buildings and got stormed to death for it.
On May 30 2013 19:55 Yello wrote: btw guys, Jangbi is playing an epic match against Soulkey right now. It's the good kind of lategame PvZ, a lot of back and forth and micro wars
I clicked on it and saw split map skytoss vs swarm hosts and corruptors.
On May 30 2013 19:42 Kasaraki wrote: Haha, the classic terran throwing away his army to kill buildings move.
i think all races do that, except protoss and zerg have a slighty easier time to rebuild, etc?
This is true. I just remember this exact movement of a MMM army walking into the Protoss base, Protoss army right behind, and they end up being cleaned up so easily. I need another name for it.
Do you remember IPTL, Seed vs Taeja and that MMM walking up the ramp in Seed's base and the Storm show after that :D
Yeah exactly! That's one of my prime examples of this exact move. :D TaeJa did it against First in TSL4 too I believe.
Stareagle vs grubby is the ultimate example of that. Stareagle was what 100 supply on grubby but he kept trying to zerg grubby's buildings and got stormed to death for it.
On May 30 2013 19:40 Seeker wrote: I don't think Khaldor realizes that Bang was not that behind at all in all honesty...
If you honestly believe this I dont think you understand this game very much...
T-T Khaldor forgot about all the good times we had in Korea together...
Not at all, but he had such an amazing lead after doing this much damage that I really dont know how you could possibly be serious about him not having a major advantage...
On May 30 2013 19:55 Yello wrote: btw guys, Jangbi is playing an epic match against Soulkey right now. It's the good kind of lategame PvZ, a lot of back and forth and micro wars
I clicked on it and saw split map skytoss vs swarm hosts and corruptors.
Where is this micro you spoke of?
Well, I think we've just hit a rather slow phase of the game. A few minutes ago there were DTs and Ling runbys and feedback vs Abduct, storm vs fungal and both players microing their units back and forth and trying to find a good position, bases going down etc.
On May 30 2013 19:40 Seeker wrote: I don't think Khaldor realizes that Bang was not that behind at all in all honesty...
If you honestly believe this I dont think you understand this game very much...
T-T Khaldor forgot about all the good times we had in Korea together...
Not at all, but he had such an amazing lead after doing this much damage that I really dont know how you could possibly be serious about him not having a major advantage...
I'll take it a step further and say I don't think he was even in the game after successfully hiding the base for a while, usually Terran is 20-30 supply ahead since Protoss spends so much money on tech but they were even supply and First had both templar and colossus. It was pretty hopeless.
On May 30 2013 19:40 Seeker wrote: I don't think Khaldor realizes that Bang was not that behind at all in all honesty...
If you honestly believe this I dont think you understand this game very much...
T-T Khaldor forgot about all the good times we had in Korea together...
Not at all, but he had such an amazing lead after doing this much damage that I really dont know how you could possibly be serious about him not having a major advantage...
Oh come on. I never said you were wrong or that he wasn't behind. I just said that he wasn't THAT behind. Obviously the early game damage put him behind. I'm not denying that.
But Bang was playing catch up pretty darn well. He just REALLY f*ed up the engagement when he lost all his vikings and lost his main army. If he had backed off, kept on playing passively while taking more expansions and trying to macro up, he would have had a fair shot in the game.
Again, didn't say you were wrong. It just felt like you were exaggerating a little bit about how behind he was.
On May 30 2013 19:40 Seeker wrote: I don't think Khaldor realizes that Bang was not that behind at all in all honesty...
If you honestly believe this I dont think you understand this game very much...
T-T Khaldor forgot about all the good times we had in Korea together...
Not at all, but he had such an amazing lead after doing this much damage that I really dont know how you could possibly be serious about him not having a major advantage...
Susie can't help it, she spends all her time translating and managing FXO NA.
On May 30 2013 20:01 Waxangel wrote: shuuuuuut the fuck up esf vs kespa ppl
I don't read too much into it, but I do always appreciate a good rivalry in sports when I can find one.
It's not a rivalry though. It's baiters spamming KeSPA and shitting on the eSF players and "eSF fans" defending their players. The "eSF fans" never shit on the KeSPA players. Which is the big difference.
On May 30 2013 20:06 Dodgin wrote: sometimes i think all the kespa-esf is being done by the same 3 people who know each other all on 2 or 3 different accounts.
90% of the time It's an account made in 2013 with a low number of posts
On May 30 2013 20:06 Dodgin wrote: sometimes i think all the kespa-esf is being done by the same 3 people who know each other all on 2 or 3 different accounts.
90% of the time It's an account made in 2013 with a low number of posts
Bored kespa b-teamers after washing dishes go onto TL to take down esf.
On May 30 2013 20:01 Waxangel wrote: shuuuuuut the fuck up esf vs kespa ppl
I don't read too much into it, but I do always appreciate a good rivalry in sports when I can find one.
It's not a rivalry though. It's baiters spamming KeSPA and shitting on the eSF players and "eSF fans" defending their players. The "eSF fans" never shit on the KeSPA players. Which is the big difference.
No that's just the fanbases' reaction to it. There is a definite rivalry between the organizations that's totally independent of the bashing on forums and probably much better mannered and more sportsmanlike.
On May 30 2013 20:06 opterown wrote: if MKP loses here is there still a chance for him to make it out?
I think so, if Hurricane wins against First and we get a final score of 4-0 for Hurricane and then it's First vs Mkp in the last game which will decide who goes out
On May 30 2013 20:01 Waxangel wrote: shuuuuuut the fuck up esf vs kespa ppl
I don't read too much into it, but I do always appreciate a good rivalry in sports when I can find one.
It's not a rivalry though. It's baiters spamming KeSPA and shitting on the eSF players and "eSF fans" defending their players. The "eSF fans" never shit on the KeSPA players. Which is the big difference.
No that's just the fanbases' reaction to it. There is a definite rivalry between the organizations that's totally independent of the bashing on forums and probably much better mannered and more sportsmanlike.
In reality there is no rivalry because eSF is poor as fuck though, IM doesn't count they're going to ditch eSF when the collapse comes anyway.
On May 30 2013 20:01 Waxangel wrote: shuuuuuut the fuck up esf vs kespa ppl
I don't read too much into it, but I do always appreciate a good rivalry in sports when I can find one.
It's not a rivalry though. It's baiters spamming KeSPA and shitting on the eSF players and "eSF fans" defending their players. The "eSF fans" never shit on the KeSPA players. Which is the big difference.
No that's just the fanbases' reaction to it. There is a definite rivalry between the organizations that's totally independent of the bashing on forums and probably much better mannered and more sportsmanlike.
In reality there is no rivalry because eSF is poor as fuck though, IM doesn't count they're going to ditch eSF when the collapse comes anyway.
MVP/StarTale/FXO aren't going anywhere. Prime and hoseo gon die though.
On May 30 2013 20:01 Waxangel wrote: shuuuuuut the fuck up esf vs kespa ppl
I don't read too much into it, but I do always appreciate a good rivalry in sports when I can find one.
It's not a rivalry though. It's baiters spamming KeSPA and shitting on the eSF players and "eSF fans" defending their players. The "eSF fans" never shit on the KeSPA players. Which is the big difference.
No that's just the fanbases' reaction to it. There is a definite rivalry between the organizations that's totally independent of the bashing on forums and probably much better mannered and more sportsmanlike.
In reality there is no rivalry because eSF is poor as fuck though, IM doesn't count they're going to ditch eSF when the collapse comes anyway.
MVP/StarTale/FXO aren't going anywhere. Prime and hoseo gon die though.
keen said in his interview from gstl where he all killed hoseo that there is a poor financial situation for team MVP
On May 30 2013 20:01 Waxangel wrote: shuuuuuut the fuck up esf vs kespa ppl
I don't read too much into it, but I do always appreciate a good rivalry in sports when I can find one.
It's not a rivalry though. It's baiters spamming KeSPA and shitting on the eSF players and "eSF fans" defending their players. The "eSF fans" never shit on the KeSPA players. Which is the big difference.
No that's just the fanbases' reaction to it. There is a definite rivalry between the organizations that's totally independent of the bashing on forums and probably much better mannered and more sportsmanlike.
In reality there is no rivalry because eSF is poor as fuck though, IM doesn't count they're going to ditch eSF when the collapse comes anyway.
MVP/StarTale/FXO aren't going anywhere. Prime and hoseo gon die though.
keen said in his interview from gstl where he all killed hoseo that there is a poor financial situation for team MVP
MVP ozone just made the OGN LoL finals they can't be in THAT much trouble.
On May 30 2013 20:01 Waxangel wrote: shuuuuuut the fuck up esf vs kespa ppl
I don't read too much into it, but I do always appreciate a good rivalry in sports when I can find one.
It's not a rivalry though. It's baiters spamming KeSPA and shitting on the eSF players and "eSF fans" defending their players. The "eSF fans" never shit on the KeSPA players. Which is the big difference.
No that's just the fanbases' reaction to it. There is a definite rivalry between the organizations that's totally independent of the bashing on forums and probably much better mannered and more sportsmanlike.
In reality there is no rivalry because eSF is poor as fuck though, IM doesn't count they're going to ditch eSF when the collapse comes anyway.
MVP/StarTale/FXO aren't going anywhere. Prime and hoseo gon die though.
keen said in his interview from gstl where he all killed hoseo that there is a poor financial situation for team MVP
MVP ozone just made the OGN LoL finals they can't be in THAT much trouble.
I brought up that point but it seems like the sponsors supporting MVP LoL do not support MVP sc2
On May 30 2013 20:01 Waxangel wrote: shuuuuuut the fuck up esf vs kespa ppl
I don't read too much into it, but I do always appreciate a good rivalry in sports when I can find one.
It's not a rivalry though. It's baiters spamming KeSPA and shitting on the eSF players and "eSF fans" defending their players. The "eSF fans" never shit on the KeSPA players. Which is the big difference.
No that's just the fanbases' reaction to it. There is a definite rivalry between the organizations that's totally independent of the bashing on forums and probably much better mannered and more sportsmanlike.
In reality there is no rivalry because eSF is poor as fuck though, IM doesn't count they're going to ditch eSF when the collapse comes anyway.
Kespa and eSF should just become one organization with neutral name - something like "Glacial Thunder" or "Vesuvius" and everything will be ok
On May 30 2013 20:01 Waxangel wrote: shuuuuuut the fuck up esf vs kespa ppl
I don't read too much into it, but I do always appreciate a good rivalry in sports when I can find one.
It's not a rivalry though. It's baiters spamming KeSPA and shitting on the eSF players and "eSF fans" defending their players. The "eSF fans" never shit on the KeSPA players. Which is the big difference.
No that's just the fanbases' reaction to it. There is a definite rivalry between the organizations that's totally independent of the bashing on forums and probably much better mannered and more sportsmanlike.
In reality there is no rivalry because eSF is poor as fuck though, IM doesn't count they're going to ditch eSF when the collapse comes anyway.
MVP/StarTale/FXO aren't going anywhere. Prime and hoseo gon die though.
keen said in his interview from gstl where he all killed hoseo that there is a poor financial situation for team MVP
MVP ozone just made the OGN LoL finals they can't be in THAT much trouble.
I brought up that point but it seems like the sponsors supporting MVP LoL do not support MVP sc2
I blame DRG. He was one of the biggest sponsor pulls and now he sucks.
On May 30 2013 20:01 Waxangel wrote: shuuuuuut the fuck up esf vs kespa ppl
I don't read too much into it, but I do always appreciate a good rivalry in sports when I can find one.
It's not a rivalry though. It's baiters spamming KeSPA and shitting on the eSF players and "eSF fans" defending their players. The "eSF fans" never shit on the KeSPA players. Which is the big difference.
No that's just the fanbases' reaction to it. There is a definite rivalry between the organizations that's totally independent of the bashing on forums and probably much better mannered and more sportsmanlike.
In reality there is no rivalry because eSF is poor as fuck though, IM doesn't count they're going to ditch eSF when the collapse comes anyway.
MVP/StarTale/FXO aren't going anywhere. Prime and hoseo gon die though.
keen said in his interview from gstl where he all killed hoseo that there is a poor financial situation for team MVP
MVP ozone just made the OGN LoL finals they can't be in THAT much trouble.
I brought up that point but it seems like the sponsors supporting MVP LoL do not support MVP sc2
Ouch, well that's painful. :/ MVP is a really good SC2 team too, but maybe not that easy to market.
On May 30 2013 20:01 Waxangel wrote: shuuuuuut the fuck up esf vs kespa ppl
I don't read too much into it, but I do always appreciate a good rivalry in sports when I can find one.
It's not a rivalry though. It's baiters spamming KeSPA and shitting on the eSF players and "eSF fans" defending their players. The "eSF fans" never shit on the KeSPA players. Which is the big difference.
No that's just the fanbases' reaction to it. There is a definite rivalry between the organizations that's totally independent of the bashing on forums and probably much better mannered and more sportsmanlike.
In reality there is no rivalry because eSF is poor as fuck though, IM doesn't count they're going to ditch eSF when the collapse comes anyway.
MVP/StarTale/FXO aren't going anywhere. Prime and hoseo gon die though.
keen said in his interview from gstl where he all killed hoseo that there is a poor financial situation for team MVP
MVP ozone just made the OGN LoL finals they can't be in THAT much trouble.
I brought up that point but it seems like the sponsors supporting MVP LoL do not support MVP sc2
I blame DRG. He was one of the biggest sponsor pulls and now he sucks.
MKP has been a pretty big name for ages, didn't really help them get sponsors. A lot of these teams don't seem very good at the business side yet.
On May 30 2013 20:01 Waxangel wrote: shuuuuuut the fuck up esf vs kespa ppl
I don't read too much into it, but I do always appreciate a good rivalry in sports when I can find one.
It's not a rivalry though. It's baiters spamming KeSPA and shitting on the eSF players and "eSF fans" defending their players. The "eSF fans" never shit on the KeSPA players. Which is the big difference.
No that's just the fanbases' reaction to it. There is a definite rivalry between the organizations that's totally independent of the bashing on forums and probably much better mannered and more sportsmanlike.
In reality there is no rivalry because eSF is poor as fuck though, IM doesn't count they're going to ditch eSF when the collapse comes anyway.
Kespa and eSF should just become one organization with neutral name - something like "Glacial Thunder" or "Vesuvius" and everything will be ok
I don't read too much into it, but I do always appreciate a good rivalry in sports when I can find one.
It's not a rivalry though. It's baiters spamming KeSPA and shitting on the eSF players and "eSF fans" defending their players. The "eSF fans" never shit on the KeSPA players. Which is the big difference.
No that's just the fanbases' reaction to it. There is a definite rivalry between the organizations that's totally independent of the bashing on forums and probably much better mannered and more sportsmanlike.
In reality there is no rivalry because eSF is poor as fuck though, IM doesn't count they're going to ditch eSF when the collapse comes anyway.
MVP/StarTale/FXO aren't going anywhere. Prime and hoseo gon die though.
keen said in his interview from gstl where he all killed hoseo that there is a poor financial situation for team MVP
MVP ozone just made the OGN LoL finals they can't be in THAT much trouble.
I brought up that point but it seems like the sponsors supporting MVP LoL do not support MVP sc2
I blame DRG. He was one of the biggest sponsor pulls and now he sucks.
MKP has been a pretty big name for ages, didn't really help them get sponsors. A lot of these teams don't seem very good at the business side yet.
That's prime though, prime seem to be stupid about business iirc classic and annyeong left because gerrard was doing so little.
On May 30 2013 20:05 DrPandaPhD wrote: [quote] It's not a rivalry though. It's baiters spamming KeSPA and shitting on the eSF players and "eSF fans" defending their players. The "eSF fans" never shit on the KeSPA players. Which is the big difference.
No that's just the fanbases' reaction to it. There is a definite rivalry between the organizations that's totally independent of the bashing on forums and probably much better mannered and more sportsmanlike.
In reality there is no rivalry because eSF is poor as fuck though, IM doesn't count they're going to ditch eSF when the collapse comes anyway.
MVP/StarTale/FXO aren't going anywhere. Prime and hoseo gon die though.
keen said in his interview from gstl where he all killed hoseo that there is a poor financial situation for team MVP
MVP ozone just made the OGN LoL finals they can't be in THAT much trouble.
I brought up that point but it seems like the sponsors supporting MVP LoL do not support MVP sc2
I blame DRG. He was one of the biggest sponsor pulls and now he sucks.
MKP has been a pretty big name for ages, didn't really help them get sponsors. A lot of these teams don't seem very good at the business side yet.
That's prime though, prime seem to be stupid about business iirc classic and annyeong left because gerrard was doing so little.
Yeah what I've heard from people who stayed in the teamhouse it's really tragic how badly it's run. MKP and co. are getting shafted on shit watertight contracts and basically no pay. Practice conditions are also far from ideal
I don't read too much into it, but I do always appreciate a good rivalry in sports when I can find one.
It's not a rivalry though. It's baiters spamming KeSPA and shitting on the eSF players and "eSF fans" defending their players. The "eSF fans" never shit on the KeSPA players. Which is the big difference.
No that's just the fanbases' reaction to it. There is a definite rivalry between the organizations that's totally independent of the bashing on forums and probably much better mannered and more sportsmanlike.
In reality there is no rivalry because eSF is poor as fuck though, IM doesn't count they're going to ditch eSF when the collapse comes anyway.
MVP/StarTale/FXO aren't going anywhere. Prime and hoseo gon die though.
keen said in his interview from gstl where he all killed hoseo that there is a poor financial situation for team MVP
MVP ozone just made the OGN LoL finals they can't be in THAT much trouble.
I brought up that point but it seems like the sponsors supporting MVP LoL do not support MVP sc2
I blame DRG. He was one of the biggest sponsor pulls and now he sucks.
MKP has been a pretty big name for ages, didn't really help them get sponsors. A lot of these teams don't seem very good at the business side yet.
someone said that the coach was doing a really poor job when they left, might have been bboongbboong.
Aah that's the true Marine King I love too see; Like in his prime, overwhelming his opponent like a hurricane with the power of the big bang! + Show Spoiler +
On May 30 2013 20:21 Penev wrote: Aah that's the true Marine King I love too see; Like in his prime, overwhelming his opponent like a hurricane with the power of the big bang! + Show Spoiler +
On May 30 2013 20:21 Penev wrote: Aah that's the true Marine King I love too see; Like in his prime, overwhelming his opponent like a hurricane with the power of the big bang! + Show Spoiler +
meh
TRUE that.
I forgot first! Should've been "the first time today marineking showed..." damn
On May 30 2013 20:06 Dodgin wrote: sometimes i think all the kespa-esf is being done by the same 3 people who know each other all on 2 or 3 different accounts.
90% of the time It's an account made in 2013 with a low number of posts
Is this guy also the biggest Jaedong fan on the planet who happens to hate Flash?
On May 30 2013 20:06 Dodgin wrote: sometimes i think all the kespa-esf is being done by the same 3 people who know each other all on 2 or 3 different accounts.
90% of the time It's an account made in 2013 with a low number of posts
Is this guy also the biggest Jaedong fan on the planet who happens to hate Flash?
They don't wear team tags or talk about which players they like, they just shit on esf.
On May 30 2013 20:05 DrPandaPhD wrote: [quote] It's not a rivalry though. It's baiters spamming KeSPA and shitting on the eSF players and "eSF fans" defending their players. The "eSF fans" never shit on the KeSPA players. Which is the big difference.
No that's just the fanbases' reaction to it. There is a definite rivalry between the organizations that's totally independent of the bashing on forums and probably much better mannered and more sportsmanlike.
In reality there is no rivalry because eSF is poor as fuck though, IM doesn't count they're going to ditch eSF when the collapse comes anyway.
MVP/StarTale/FXO aren't going anywhere. Prime and hoseo gon die though.
keen said in his interview from gstl where he all killed hoseo that there is a poor financial situation for team MVP
MVP ozone just made the OGN LoL finals they can't be in THAT much trouble.
I brought up that point but it seems like the sponsors supporting MVP LoL do not support MVP sc2
I blame DRG. He was one of the biggest sponsor pulls and now he sucks.
MKP has been a pretty big name for ages, didn't really help them get sponsors. A lot of these teams don't seem very good at the business side yet.
someone said that the coach was doing a really poor job when they left, might have been bboongbboong.
On May 30 2013 20:27 opterown wrote: i think tear winning here would be best for MKP's chances to advance
gogo TEAR
Doesn't really matter, MKP HAS to beat First when he plays him no matter what, just depends if it will be for a 3 way tie a 2 way tie or to go through 2nd xD
On May 30 2013 20:27 opterown wrote: i think tear winning here would be best for MKP's chances to advance
gogo TEAR
Doesn't really matter, MKP HAS to beat First when he plays him no matter what, just depends if it will be for a 3 way tie a 2 way tie or to go through 2nd xD
i know, but it's better for MKP to guarantee the advancement in 2nd place rather than play tiebreakers haha
On May 30 2013 20:27 opterown wrote: i think tear winning here would be best for MKP's chances to advance
gogo TEAR
Doesn't really matter, MKP HAS to beat First when he plays him no matter what, just depends if it will be for a 3 way tie a 2 way tie or to go through 2nd xD
i know, but it's better for MKP to guarantee the advancement in 2nd place rather than play tiebreakers haha
True, but he did have a bit of bad luck vs Tear. I have faith he can 2-0 these toss
I wish people wouldn't say things like "all the protoss players are rooting for first, i support players because i like them, not just because of their race.
Race is the reason i support a player when i have no other reason to choose between them.
in the game against Hurricane he didn't build a single Viking, probably thinking that Hurricane just build one colossus to fake him. Now First is actually building only one Colossus and then directly going for Storm and MKP builds Vikings
Mkp not looking sharp today
macro and micro seems to be enough to win against First though
On May 30 2013 20:59 Schelim wrote: tbh they were asking for tiebreakers when they made it all 5 man groups. GOM should be happy there hasn't been a 5way-tie yet :D
One day we will have the 5 way tie we have always wanted ^_^
On May 30 2013 20:58 Dodgin wrote: what an ugly ugly game
I thought it was good to watch! loads more going on than normal TvP.
I'm just cringing at how badly first fucked up, and then how badly MKP fucked up to have it be close after going up 200 supply to 130.
Oh yeah, well there is that, MarineKing's reactions have seemd quite slow today.
Otherwise though with all the runbys and stuff it was great to watch, the observer missing what was going on bottom right really made the game look different at first though.
On May 30 2013 20:59 kubiks wrote: I love how accurate the TL predictions were : The 3/4/5 guys in a 3-way tie while the 1/2 are both at 0-3 :D
Yes this made me laugh. But the best thing is that the first comment on the writeup is Zealously with the opposite order (that is, hurricane, mkp, first, bang, true) and he said "well that was easy" I love it. I'm hoping for Hurricane and MarineKing to advance.. but I have a feeling that Hurricane might be losing his touch today.
On May 30 2013 21:02 Ysellian wrote: So after how many rounds do we get coinflips?
According to WolfDor, whoever loses 2 games first is eliminated. So this is sudden death for the most part.
Wait that can't be right. Because if First loses game 2, he has to play game 3 anyway as his name is there. I think those 2 got that wrong. But of course if whoever loses out of MKP and Tear were to lose to First then they are out
On May 30 2013 21:02 Ysellian wrote: So after how many rounds do we get coinflips?
According to WolfDor, whoever loses 2 games first is eliminated. So this is sudden death for the most part.
Wait that can't be right. Because if First loses game 2, he has to play game 3 anyway as his name is there. I think those 2 got that wrong. But of course if whoever loses out of MKP and Tear were to lose to First then they are out
On May 30 2013 21:02 Ysellian wrote: So after how many rounds do we get coinflips?
According to WolfDor, whoever loses 2 games first is eliminated. So this is sudden death for the most part.
Wait that can't be right. Because if First loses game 2, he has to play game 3 anyway as his name is there. I think those 2 got that wrong. But of course if whoever loses out of MKP and Tear were to lose to First then they are out
Huh? Whoever loses two is out sounds correct to me. Then player scores are 2-0,1-1,0-2.
On May 30 2013 21:02 Ysellian wrote: So after how many rounds do we get coinflips?
According to WolfDor, whoever loses 2 games first is eliminated. So this is sudden death for the most part.
Wait that can't be right. Because if First loses game 2, he has to play game 3 anyway as his name is there. I think those 2 got that wrong. But of course if whoever loses out of MKP and Tear were to lose to First then they are out
Huh? Whoever loses two is out sounds correct to me. Then player scores are 2-0,1-1,0-2.
Ok i must of typed that out badly here is what i mean;
Hurricane 0-1 MKP (game 1) Hurricane 1-0 First (game 2) MKP vs First (game 3)
If first loses "game 2" which is his first game then he isn't out xD
I heard you like results in spoiler tags, so I put results into spoiler tags into spoiler tags into spoiler tags into spoiler tags so you can enjoy your games without spoilers
But yea, there's no way Protoss is getting baseline warp prism speed. The capacity for it to be abused in ways such as what we just saw will keep it as a tech requirement.
It's fine if they want to lower the cost to allow more Protoss players to use it in the late game but for the early game it'd simply be way too powerful. It wouldn't take much testing to figure that out.
Once again like so many other things in the Protoss arsenal. Forcefield prevents Protoss from having nice things.
On May 30 2013 21:18 Tsubbi wrote: as a zerg i feel so sorry for mkp, also we need more warp prism speed imo
Same way you deal with a terran drop, have some units ready and dont let it happen
Except terran drops doesnt stop you from dealing with it.
It simply kills all your probes before you have to time to deal with it. AKA Hellbats
Only stupid idiotic protosses who don't pull their probes like how us terrans pull our scvs when we see oracles in our mineral line lose all their probes to terran drops.
On May 30 2013 21:22 Kasaraki wrote: You guys are talking like this is some impossible to stop all-in. To me, it's a humiliation to lose to this as a Terran, haha.
i dont think its as much about it being impossible to stop the all in as it is about the frustration when facing these kinds of builds
On May 30 2013 21:22 Kasaraki wrote: You guys are talking like this is some impossible to stop all-in. To me, it's a humiliation to lose to this as a Terran, haha.
bad luck to have units on the low ground and a whole production cycle to go, nothing more than that really
On May 30 2013 21:22 Kasaraki wrote: You guys are talking like this is some impossible to stop all-in. To me, it's a humiliation to lose to this as a Terran, haha.
Yeah, exactly. It's been used against Terran what, twice, in the entire lifetime of competitive SC2? Yep, clearly an unstoppable build. It's not like it could be entirely shut down by, you know, simple defensive army positioning & split, like the other races have had to do vs Terran... forever.
On May 30 2013 21:23 Vindicare605 wrote: But yea, there's no way Protoss is getting baseline warp prism speed. The capacity for it to be abused in ways such as what we just saw will keep it as a tech requirement.
It's fine if they want to lower the cost to allow more Protoss players to use it in the late game but for the early game it'd simply be way too powerful. It wouldn't take much testing to realize that.
He just lost to that build without warp prism speed... SO WHAT THE FUCK DIFFERENCE DOES THE SPEED MAKE TO THAT BUILD?????
On May 30 2013 21:23 Vindicare605 wrote: But yea, there's no way Protoss is getting baseline warp prism speed. The capacity for it to be abused in ways such as what we just saw will keep it as a tech requirement.
It's fine if they want to lower the cost to allow more Protoss players to use it in the late game but for the early game it'd simply be way too powerful. It wouldn't take much testing to figure that out.
Once again like so many other things in the Protoss arsenal. Forcefield prevents Protoss from having nice things.
They should just give it a cooldown based speed boost ability instead of a passive speed increase, seems like something that would fit in this game well.
yeah, your prediction program is not designed to handle tiebreakers lol
well, it's kinda right. Hurricane can't lose two games in the first tiebreaker anymore, Marineking can't win 2 games, so marineking can't get 1st, Hurricane can't get 3rd. Everything else is still possible
yeah, your prediction program is not designed to handle tiebreakers lol
What do you mean? :o It looks fine to me. With this loss, MKP has 0% chance to get out in 1st place, but as you can see, he still has a chance to get out in 2nd.
You know what, I agree guys. This two year old build is overpowered which is why it's almost never done in PvT and fell out of favour rapidly after mid 2011 in PvZ.
On May 30 2013 21:23 Vindicare605 wrote: But yea, there's no way Protoss is getting baseline warp prism speed. The capacity for it to be abused in ways such as what we just saw will keep it as a tech requirement.
It's fine if they want to lower the cost to allow more Protoss players to use it in the late game but for the early game it'd simply be way too powerful. It wouldn't take much testing to realize that.
He just lost to that build without warp prism speed... SO WHAT THE FUCK DIFFERENCE DOES THE SPEED MAKE TO THAT BUILD?????
yeah, your prediction program is not designed to handle tiebreakers lol
well, it's kinda right. Hurricane can't lose two games in the first tiebreaker anymore, Marineking can't win 2 games, so marineking can't get 1st, Hurricane can't get 3rd. Everything else is still possible
if they all go 1-1 then mkp can still get 1st and tear can get last, etc
yeah, your prediction program is not designed to handle tiebreakers lol
well, it's kinda right. Hurricane can't lose two games in the first tiebreaker anymore, Marineking can't win 2 games, so marineking can't get 1st, Hurricane can't get 3rd. Everything else is still possible
No, Marineking can get 1st if there's another tiebreaker. Those percentages are supposed to be accounted for.
yeah, your prediction program is not designed to handle tiebreakers lol
What do you mean? :o It looks fine to me. With this loss, MKP has 0% chance to get out in 1st place, but as you can see, he still has a chance to get out in 2nd.
If the first tiebreakers end up 1-1-1 then MKP can still get first on the second round.
On May 30 2013 21:25 Fusilero wrote: You know what, I agree guys. This two year old build is overpowered which is why it's almost never done in PvT and fell out of favour rapidly after mid 2011 in PvZ.
And terran should be able to stop it without any scouting information whatsoever!
On May 30 2013 21:25 Fusilero wrote: You know what, I agree guys. This two year old build is overpowered which is why it's almost never done in PvT and fell out of favour rapidly after mid 2011 in PvZ.
Except that protoss didn't have nexus cannon in 2011.
The crying is just unbelievable cause of one game, and ofc cause this is MKP. If this was Bang it would be - ermm, okay, he lost to timing and was unprepared
On May 30 2013 21:23 Vindicare605 wrote: But yea, there's no way Protoss is getting baseline warp prism speed. The capacity for it to be abused in ways such as what we just saw will keep it as a tech requirement.
It's fine if they want to lower the cost to allow more Protoss players to use it in the late game but for the early game it'd simply be way too powerful. It wouldn't take much testing to figure that out.
Once again like so many other things in the Protoss arsenal. Forcefield prevents Protoss from having nice things.
yeh, will just encourage them to do even more 1-2 base allin builds, rather than be a fun to watch/play late game tool.
On May 30 2013 21:23 Vindicare605 wrote: But yea, there's no way Protoss is getting baseline warp prism speed. The capacity for it to be abused in ways such as what we just saw will keep it as a tech requirement.
It's fine if they want to lower the cost to allow more Protoss players to use it in the late game but for the early game it'd simply be way too powerful. It wouldn't take much testing to realize that.
He just lost to that build without warp prism speed... SO WHAT THE FUCK DIFFERENCE DOES THE SPEED MAKE TO THAT BUILD?????
Stop crying. God damn.
Speed would make a huge difference.
Yeah, the prism gets there 5-10 seconds earlier, and MKP's unit cycle spawns up in his FF'd main instead of having just walked down the ramp and he might even hold it without having even scouted... lol.
On May 30 2013 21:25 Fusilero wrote: You know what, I agree guys. This two year old build is overpowered which is why it's almost never done in PvT and fell out of favour rapidly after mid 2011 in PvZ.
Except that protoss didn't have nexus cannon in 2011.
So if terran does fuck up like that they actually deserve to win the game by counterattacking and flying their buildings to a corner?
On May 30 2013 21:27 eGoRama wrote: The crying is just unbelievable cause of one game, and ofc cause this is MKP. If this was Bang it would be - ermm, okay, he lost to timing and was unprepared
The discussion is because of the proposed Warp Prism buff. If that wasn't on the table no one would be saying anything.
On May 30 2013 21:26 KingofGods wrote: Zergs at least have creep to quickly move up or down a map and overlords to spot around for the warp prism.
And terran has all their production in their main base where as zerg can't reinforce since a lot of their units will spawn in their natural. Pointless argument, the protoss build has been around forever. Scout or die, like a lot of other all-ins
On May 30 2013 21:25 Fusilero wrote: You know what, I agree guys. This two year old build is overpowered which is why it's almost never done in PvT and fell out of favour rapidly after mid 2011 in PvZ.
Except that protoss didn't have nexus cannon in 2011.
So if terran does fuck up like that they actually deserve to win the game by counterattacking and flying their buildings to a corner?
What fuck up ? Having his whole army in front ? Not scouting a drop is mostly about luck for terran.
On May 30 2013 21:27 eGoRama wrote: The crying is just unbelievable cause of one game, and ofc cause this is MKP. If this was Bang it would be - ermm, okay, he lost to timing and was unprepared
The discussion is because of the proposed Warp Prism buff. If that wasn't on the table no one would be saying anything.
Yeh right, I bet everything that we would have seen posts about FF and the "stupid" all-ins by the protoss. It is like we never read LR before.
On May 30 2013 21:27 eGoRama wrote: The crying is just unbelievable cause of one game, and ofc cause this is MKP. If this was Bang it would be - ermm, okay, he lost to timing and was unprepared
The discussion is because of the proposed Warp Prism buff. If that wasn't on the table no one would be saying anything.
In this situation it really doesn't matter. If you have no idea that it's coming you're not gonna stop it, whether the prism has speed or not. Taking this game as a serious argument against the speed buff is not very intelligent.
On May 30 2013 21:27 eGoRama wrote: The crying is just unbelievable cause of one game, and ofc cause this is MKP. If this was Bang it would be - ermm, okay, he lost to timing and was unprepared
The discussion is because of the proposed Warp Prism buff. If that wasn't on the table no one would be saying anything.
Dunno about that... Every time there's a strong all in during GSL the LR erupts.
On May 30 2013 21:25 Fusilero wrote: You know what, I agree guys. This two year old build is overpowered which is why it's almost never done in PvT and fell out of favour rapidly after mid 2011 in PvZ.
Except that protoss didn't have nexus cannon in 2011.
So if terran does fuck up like that they actually deserve to win the game by counterattacking and flying their buildings to a corner?
What fuck up ? Having his whole army in front ? Not scouting a drop is mostly about luck for terran.
It's a silly build, a complete gamble tho.
Not scouting. Protoss loses the game if they don't know what's going on. Zerg loses the game if they don't know. Terran should lose too.
On May 30 2013 21:27 eGoRama wrote: The crying is just unbelievable cause of one game, and ofc cause this is MKP. If this was Bang it would be - ermm, okay, he lost to timing and was unprepared
The discussion is because of the proposed Warp Prism buff. If that wasn't on the table no one would be saying anything.
In this situation it really doesn't matter. If you have no idea that it's coming you're not gonna stop it, whether the prism has speed or not. Taking this game as a serious argument against the speed buff is not very intelligent.
It's just an example of the larger argument.
The problem with buffing the Warp Prism the way Blizzard is suggesting is that it buffs gimmicky Protoss all in play way more than it helps them in standard play the way they would like.
Blizzard wants to buff Protoss slightly and in a way that makes them more exciting to watch. I'm all for that. Buffing them in a way that promotes more 1-2 base all ins is not the right way do that.
On May 30 2013 21:27 eGoRama wrote: The crying is just unbelievable cause of one game, and ofc cause this is MKP. If this was Bang it would be - ermm, okay, he lost to timing and was unprepared
The discussion is because of the proposed Warp Prism buff. If that wasn't on the table no one would be saying anything.
In this situation it really doesn't matter. If you have no idea that it's coming you're not gonna stop it, whether the prism has speed or not. Taking this game as a serious argument against the speed buff is not very intelligent.
It's just an example of the larger argument.
The problem with buffing the Warp Prism the way Blizzard is suggesting is that it buffs gimmicky Protoss all in play way more than it helps them in standard play the way they would like.
Blizzard wants to buff Protoss slightly and in a way that makes them more exciting to watch. I'm all for that. Buffing them in a way that promotes more 1-2 base all ins is not the right way do that.
Well, that's something that their balance testing will have to show. This game however really shouldn't matter in that argument.
That makes sense because if all three games are played and it doesn't go to another tiebreaker then the person in first will be 2-0 and the person in last would be 0-2.
On May 30 2013 21:27 eGoRama wrote: The crying is just unbelievable cause of one game, and ofc cause this is MKP. If this was Bang it would be - ermm, okay, he lost to timing and was unprepared
The discussion is because of the proposed Warp Prism buff. If that wasn't on the table no one would be saying anything.
In this situation it really doesn't matter. If you have no idea that it's coming you're not gonna stop it, whether the prism has speed or not. Taking this game as a serious argument against the speed buff is not very intelligent.
It doesn't in this particular game, Mkp didn't see it coming and died, fair enough. However this buff will encourage even more gimmicky 2 base protoss builds IMO, as if we didn't need any more of those.
On May 30 2013 21:25 Fusilero wrote: You know what, I agree guys. This two year old build is overpowered which is why it's almost never done in PvT and fell out of favour rapidly after mid 2011 in PvZ.
Except that protoss didn't have nexus cannon in 2011.
So if terran does fuck up like that they actually deserve to win the game by counterattacking and flying their buildings to a corner?
What fuck up ? Having his whole army in front ? Not scouting a drop is mostly about luck for terran.
It's a silly build, a complete gamble tho.
Not scouting. Protoss loses the game if they don't know what's going on. Zerg loses the game if they don't know. Terran should lose too.
Oh yes please, tell me how he should had scouted that a sentry drop was coming that doesn't look like other thousand builds.
On May 30 2013 21:27 eGoRama wrote: The crying is just unbelievable cause of one game, and ofc cause this is MKP. If this was Bang it would be - ermm, okay, he lost to timing and was unprepared
The discussion is because of the proposed Warp Prism buff. If that wasn't on the table no one would be saying anything.
In this situation it really doesn't matter. If you have no idea that it's coming you're not gonna stop it, whether the prism has speed or not. Taking this game as a serious argument against the speed buff is not very intelligent.
It's just an example of the larger argument.
The problem with buffing the Warp Prism the way Blizzard is suggesting is that it buffs gimmicky Protoss all in play way more than it helps them in standard play the way they would like.
Blizzard wants to buff Protoss slightly and in a way that makes them more exciting to watch. I'm all for that. Buffing them in a way that promotes more 1-2 base all ins is not the right way do that.
Well, that's something that their balance testing will have to show. This game however really shouldn't matter in that argument.
It definitely should matter, but as with every balance discussion, one game doesn't decide anything.
I'm of the opinion that if they implemented the Warp Prism buff we'd just end up seeing a lot more games like Hurricane/Marineking which might bring Protoss overall win rates up but doesn't actually solve any of the other major issues with the race and definitely doesn't make them more fun to watch.
In other words, I see it as just more Soul Train style balancing.
On May 30 2013 21:25 Fusilero wrote: You know what, I agree guys. This two year old build is overpowered which is why it's almost never done in PvT and fell out of favour rapidly after mid 2011 in PvZ.
Except that protoss didn't have nexus cannon in 2011.
So if terran does fuck up like that they actually deserve to win the game by counterattacking and flying their buildings to a corner?
What fuck up ? Having his whole army in front ? Not scouting a drop is mostly about luck for terran.
It's a silly build, a complete gamble tho.
Not scouting. Protoss loses the game if they don't know what's going on. Zerg loses the game if they don't know. Terran should lose too.
The other day my good ol' brotoss Felicity stopped a 3 rax all-in without knowing it was comin' thanks to nexus cannon, go figure
On May 30 2013 21:25 Fusilero wrote: You know what, I agree guys. This two year old build is overpowered which is why it's almost never done in PvT and fell out of favour rapidly after mid 2011 in PvZ.
Except that protoss didn't have nexus cannon in 2011.
So if terran does fuck up like that they actually deserve to win the game by counterattacking and flying their buildings to a corner?
What fuck up ? Having his whole army in front ? Not scouting a drop is mostly about luck for terran.
It's a silly build, a complete gamble tho.
Not scouting. Protoss loses the game if they don't know what's going on. Zerg loses the game if they don't know. Terran should lose too.
Oh yes please, tell me how he should had scouted that a sentry drop was coming that doesn't look like other thousand builds.
scan ;p
tbh mkp just got unlucky, with units on lowground and badly timed production cycle and map spawns. that wouldn't have happened most of the time
That makes sense because if all three games are played and it doesn't go to another tiebreaker then the person in first will be 2-0 and the person in last would be 0-2.
Yes, but it CAN go to a tiebreaker. Those numbers are supposed to be accounted for, but they aren't.
On May 30 2013 21:27 eGoRama wrote: The crying is just unbelievable cause of one game, and ofc cause this is MKP. If this was Bang it would be - ermm, okay, he lost to timing and was unprepared
The discussion is because of the proposed Warp Prism buff. If that wasn't on the table no one would be saying anything.
In this situation it really doesn't matter. If you have no idea that it's coming you're not gonna stop it, whether the prism has speed or not. Taking this game as a serious argument against the speed buff is not very intelligent.
It's just an example of the larger argument.
The problem with buffing the Warp Prism the way Blizzard is suggesting is that it buffs gimmicky Protoss all in play way more than it helps them in standard play the way they would like.
Blizzard wants to buff Protoss slightly and in a way that makes them more exciting to watch. I'm all for that. Buffing them in a way that promotes more 1-2 base all ins is not the right way do that.
Well, that's something that their balance testing will have to show. This game however really shouldn't matter in that argument.
It definitely should matter, but as with every balance discussion, one game doesn't decide anything.
I'm of the opinion that if they implemented the Warp Prism buff we'd just end up seeing a lot more games like Hurricane/Marineking which might bring Protoss overall win rates up but doesn't actually solve any of the other major issues with the race and definitely doesn't make them more fun to watch.
In other words, I see it as just more Soul Train style balancing.
You can see those games without the prism buff. We just did. The prism speed has little to no particular effect on that specific build. It is therefore not evidence for or against that change.
That makes sense because if all three games are played and it doesn't go to another tiebreaker then the person in first will be 2-0 and the person in last would be 0-2.
Yes, but it CAN go to a tiebreaker. Those numbers are supposed to be accounted for, but they aren't.
On May 30 2013 21:25 Fusilero wrote: You know what, I agree guys. This two year old build is overpowered which is why it's almost never done in PvT and fell out of favour rapidly after mid 2011 in PvZ.
Except that protoss didn't have nexus cannon in 2011.
So if terran does fuck up like that they actually deserve to win the game by counterattacking and flying their buildings to a corner?
What fuck up ? Having his whole army in front ? Not scouting a drop is mostly about luck for terran.
It's a silly build, a complete gamble tho.
Not scouting. Protoss loses the game if they don't know what's going on. Zerg loses the game if they don't know. Terran should lose too.
Oh yes please, tell me how he should had scouted that a sentry drop was coming that doesn't look like other thousand builds.
Using that energy thing on one of your CCs that gives you scouting information. If you see a robo and 7 gates it's not an immortal all in, you can't afford that. Can only be one thing.
On May 30 2013 21:27 eGoRama wrote: The crying is just unbelievable cause of one game, and ofc cause this is MKP. If this was Bang it would be - ermm, okay, he lost to timing and was unprepared
The discussion is because of the proposed Warp Prism buff. If that wasn't on the table no one would be saying anything.
In this situation it really doesn't matter. If you have no idea that it's coming you're not gonna stop it, whether the prism has speed or not. Taking this game as a serious argument against the speed buff is not very intelligent.
It's just an example of the larger argument.
The problem with buffing the Warp Prism the way Blizzard is suggesting is that it buffs gimmicky Protoss all in play way more than it helps them in standard play the way they would like.
Blizzard wants to buff Protoss slightly and in a way that makes them more exciting to watch. I'm all for that. Buffing them in a way that promotes more 1-2 base all ins is not the right way do that.
Well, that's something that their balance testing will have to show. This game however really shouldn't matter in that argument.
It definitely should matter, but as with every balance discussion, one game doesn't decide anything.
I'm of the opinion that if they implemented the Warp Prism buff we'd just end up seeing a lot more games like Hurricane/Marineking which might bring Protoss overall win rates up but doesn't actually solve any of the other major issues with the race and definitely doesn't make them more fun to watch.
In other words, I see it as just more Soul Train style balancing.
You can see those games without the prism buff. We just did. The prism speed has little to no particular effect on that specific build. It is therefore not evidence for or against that change.
On May 30 2013 21:25 Fusilero wrote: You know what, I agree guys. This two year old build is overpowered which is why it's almost never done in PvT and fell out of favour rapidly after mid 2011 in PvZ.
Except that protoss didn't have nexus cannon in 2011.
So if terran does fuck up like that they actually deserve to win the game by counterattacking and flying their buildings to a corner?
What fuck up ? Having his whole army in front ? Not scouting a drop is mostly about luck for terran.
It's a silly build, a complete gamble tho.
Not scouting. Protoss loses the game if they don't know what's going on. Zerg loses the game if they don't know. Terran should lose too.
Oh yes please, tell me how he should had scouted that a sentry drop was coming that doesn't look like other thousand builds.
scan ;p
tbh mkp just got unlucky, with units on lowground and badly timed production cycle and map spawns. that wouldn't have happened most of the time
I don't know, some people should play terran before doing that kind of silly statements like "no scout", i don't even think the build is op, just a big high risk high reward gamble, but calling that a "fuck up" is just nonsense ;p
On May 30 2013 21:25 Fusilero wrote: You know what, I agree guys. This two year old build is overpowered which is why it's almost never done in PvT and fell out of favour rapidly after mid 2011 in PvZ.
Except that protoss didn't have nexus cannon in 2011.
So if terran does fuck up like that they actually deserve to win the game by counterattacking and flying their buildings to a corner?
What fuck up ? Having his whole army in front ? Not scouting a drop is mostly about luck for terran.
It's a silly build, a complete gamble tho.
Not scouting. Protoss loses the game if they don't know what's going on. Zerg loses the game if they don't know. Terran should lose too.
Oh yes please, tell me how he should had scouted that a sentry drop was coming that doesn't look like other thousand builds.
Using that energy thing on one of your CCs that gives you scouting information. If you see a robo and 7 gates it's not an immortal all in, you can't afford that. Can only be one thing.
Learn 2 hide production/tech in big surface bases like whirlwind. Profit.
On May 30 2013 21:27 eGoRama wrote: The crying is just unbelievable cause of one game, and ofc cause this is MKP. If this was Bang it would be - ermm, okay, he lost to timing and was unprepared
The discussion is because of the proposed Warp Prism buff. If that wasn't on the table no one would be saying anything.
In this situation it really doesn't matter. If you have no idea that it's coming you're not gonna stop it, whether the prism has speed or not. Taking this game as a serious argument against the speed buff is not very intelligent.
It's just an example of the larger argument.
The problem with buffing the Warp Prism the way Blizzard is suggesting is that it buffs gimmicky Protoss all in play way more than it helps them in standard play the way they would like.
Blizzard wants to buff Protoss slightly and in a way that makes them more exciting to watch. I'm all for that. Buffing them in a way that promotes more 1-2 base all ins is not the right way do that.
Well, that's something that their balance testing will have to show. This game however really shouldn't matter in that argument.
It definitely should matter, but as with every balance discussion, one game doesn't decide anything.
I'm of the opinion that if they implemented the Warp Prism buff we'd just end up seeing a lot more games like Hurricane/Marineking which might bring Protoss overall win rates up but doesn't actually solve any of the other major issues with the race and definitely doesn't make them more fun to watch.
In other words, I see it as just more Soul Train style balancing.
You can see those games without the prism buff. We just did. The prism speed has little to no particular effect on that specific build. It is therefore not evidence for or against that change.
On May 30 2013 21:34 Dodgin wrote: first how could you lose to mkp twice I almost hope you lose now ;/
saying that as if it's shameful to lose to MKP TvP, even in his slump mkp can still play it solidly
losing to prime players is shameful regardless of the circumstances
such bad manner, dodgin
I'm mostly joking, It's not shameful, but It's kind of bad to be losing to players who don't have a good training environment. I guess that's what I'm trying to say.
On May 30 2013 21:34 Dodgin wrote: first how could you lose to mkp twice I almost hope you lose now ;/
saying that as if it's shameful to lose to MKP TvP, even in his slump mkp can still play it solidly
losing to prime players is shameful regardless of the circumstances
such bad manner, dodgin
I'm mostly joking, It's not shameful, but It's kind of bad to be losing to players who don't have a good training environment. I guess that's what I'm trying to say.
It's actually very shameful... First all-killed Prime earlier this month... This is only proving that the all-kill was a fluke if anything.
On May 30 2013 21:34 Dodgin wrote: first how could you lose to mkp twice I almost hope you lose now ;/
saying that as if it's shameful to lose to MKP TvP, even in his slump mkp can still play it solidly
losing to prime players is shameful regardless of the circumstances
such bad manner, dodgin
I'm mostly joking, It's not shameful, but It's kind of bad to be losing to players who don't have a good training environment. I guess that's what I'm trying to say.
you probably should say the same to everyone who loses to a foreigner, then
On May 30 2013 21:34 Dodgin wrote: first how could you lose to mkp twice I almost hope you lose now ;/
saying that as if it's shameful to lose to MKP TvP, even in his slump mkp can still play it solidly
losing to prime players is shameful regardless of the circumstances
such bad manner, dodgin
I'm mostly joking, It's not shameful, but It's kind of bad to be losing to players who don't have a good training environment. I guess that's what I'm trying to say.
It's actually very shameful... First all-killed Prime earlier this month... This is only proving that the all-kill was a fluke if anything.
All killing prime isn't an accomplishment. It's like all killing hoseo, everyone does it there's no shine to it anymore call me when you all kill FXO or azubu.
On May 30 2013 21:34 Dodgin wrote: first how could you lose to mkp twice I almost hope you lose now ;/
saying that as if it's shameful to lose to MKP TvP, even in his slump mkp can still play it solidly
losing to prime players is shameful regardless of the circumstances
such bad manner, dodgin
I'm mostly joking, It's not shameful, but It's kind of bad to be losing to players who don't have a good training environment. I guess that's what I'm trying to say.
It's actually very shameful... First all-killed Prime earlier this month... This is only proving that the all-kill was a fluke if anything.
All killing prime isn't an accomplishment. It's like all killing hoseo, everyone does it there's no shine to it anymore call me when you all kill FXO or azubu.
hahahah its not quite like all killing hoseo, at this stage, youre frowned upon if you dont get an all-kill
On May 30 2013 21:34 Dodgin wrote: first how could you lose to mkp twice I almost hope you lose now ;/
saying that as if it's shameful to lose to MKP TvP, even in his slump mkp can still play it solidly
losing to prime players is shameful regardless of the circumstances
such bad manner, dodgin
I'm mostly joking, It's not shameful, but It's kind of bad to be losing to players who don't have a good training environment. I guess that's what I'm trying to say.
you probably should say the same to everyone who loses to a foreigner, then
That Mvp scrub lost one game to Stephano.
On the other hand, Prime really feels more and more like NSH right now.
On May 30 2013 21:34 Dodgin wrote: first how could you lose to mkp twice I almost hope you lose now ;/
saying that as if it's shameful to lose to MKP TvP, even in his slump mkp can still play it solidly
losing to prime players is shameful regardless of the circumstances
such bad manner, dodgin
I'm mostly joking, It's not shameful, but It's kind of bad to be losing to players who don't have a good training environment. I guess that's what I'm trying to say.
you probably should say the same to everyone who loses to a foreigner, then
On May 30 2013 21:25 Fusilero wrote: You know what, I agree guys. This two year old build is overpowered which is why it's almost never done in PvT and fell out of favour rapidly after mid 2011 in PvZ.
Except that protoss didn't have nexus cannon in 2011.
So if terran does fuck up like that they actually deserve to win the game by counterattacking and flying their buildings to a corner?
What fuck up ? Having his whole army in front ? Not scouting a drop is mostly about luck for terran.
It's a silly build, a complete gamble tho.
Not scouting. Protoss loses the game if they don't know what's going on. Zerg loses the game if they don't know. Terran should lose too.
Oh yes please, tell me how he should had scouted that a sentry drop was coming that doesn't look like other thousand builds.
Using that energy thing on one of your CCs that gives you scouting information. If you see a robo and 7 gates it's not an immortal all in, you can't afford that. Can only be one thing.
Learn 2 hide production/tech in big surface bases like whirlwind. Profit.
Edit - do you see your logic mirror'ed ?
Sure you can do that. You're not getting me correctly though. I'm not saying the build isn't a gamble, it is. But Marineking never even attempted to scout it and that should lose you the game. If you have no scouting intel you have to account for everything that's possible, including this - and Marineking didn't. He played like he knew that he was somewhat safe, assuming Hurricane wouldn't all in. Perhaps have a marine out on the map in a spot that would see something like this coming if you have no idea what's going on. I mean, MKP would've died to anything, whether it'd been a stargate cheese or an immortal bust or whatever Hurricane wanted to do. He just so happened to die to a build that's always made people mad.
On May 30 2013 21:34 Dodgin wrote: first how could you lose to mkp twice I almost hope you lose now ;/
saying that as if it's shameful to lose to MKP TvP, even in his slump mkp can still play it solidly
losing to prime players is shameful regardless of the circumstances
such bad manner, dodgin
I'm mostly joking, It's not shameful, but It's kind of bad to be losing to players who don't have a good training environment. I guess that's what I'm trying to say.
you probably should say the same to everyone who loses to a foreigner, then
That Mvp scrub lost one game to Stephano.
On the other hand, Prime really feels more and more like NSH right now.
Hey that's not fair, hoseo has 5 players that's one more than prime.
On May 30 2013 21:34 Dodgin wrote: first how could you lose to mkp twice I almost hope you lose now ;/
saying that as if it's shameful to lose to MKP TvP, even in his slump mkp can still play it solidly
losing to prime players is shameful regardless of the circumstances
such bad manner, dodgin
I'm mostly joking, It's not shameful, but It's kind of bad to be losing to players who don't have a good training environment. I guess that's what I'm trying to say.
you probably should say the same to everyone who loses to a foreigner, then
That Mvp scrub lost one game to Stephano.
On the other hand, Prime really feels more and more like NSH right now.
Hey that's not fair, hoseo has 5 players that's one more than prime.
On May 30 2013 21:34 Dodgin wrote: first how could you lose to mkp twice I almost hope you lose now ;/
saying that as if it's shameful to lose to MKP TvP, even in his slump mkp can still play it solidly
losing to prime players is shameful regardless of the circumstances
such bad manner, dodgin
I'm mostly joking, It's not shameful, but It's kind of bad to be losing to players who don't have a good training environment. I guess that's what I'm trying to say.
It's actually very shameful... First all-killed Prime earlier this month... This is only proving that the all-kill was a fluke if anything.
All killing prime isn't an accomplishment. It's like all killing hoseo, everyone does it there's no shine to it anymore call me when you all kill FXO or azubu.
First is actually the only one to all-kill Prime this season so far... As shocking as this may be, it's true.
On May 30 2013 21:34 Dodgin wrote: first how could you lose to mkp twice I almost hope you lose now ;/
saying that as if it's shameful to lose to MKP TvP, even in his slump mkp can still play it solidly
losing to prime players is shameful regardless of the circumstances
such bad manner, dodgin
I'm mostly joking, It's not shameful, but It's kind of bad to be losing to players who don't have a good training environment. I guess that's what I'm trying to say.
you probably should say the same to everyone who loses to a foreigner, then
That Mvp scrub lost one game to Stephano.
On the other hand, Prime really feels more and more like NSH right now.
forGG suffered the ultimate shame, losing to a guy who doesn't even practice.
On May 30 2013 21:34 Dodgin wrote: first how could you lose to mkp twice I almost hope you lose now ;/
saying that as if it's shameful to lose to MKP TvP, even in his slump mkp can still play it solidly
losing to prime players is shameful regardless of the circumstances
such bad manner, dodgin
I'm mostly joking, It's not shameful, but It's kind of bad to be losing to players who don't have a good training environment. I guess that's what I'm trying to say.
It's actually very shameful... First all-killed Prime earlier this month... This is only proving that the all-kill was a fluke if anything.
All killing prime isn't an accomplishment. It's like all killing hoseo, everyone does it there's no shine to it anymore call me when you all kill FXO or azubu.
First is actually the only one to all-kill Prime this season so far... As shocking as this may be, it's true.
Wut, I swore they were getting all killed as often as hoseo I guess my memory serves me wrong rofl.
On May 30 2013 21:34 Dodgin wrote: first how could you lose to mkp twice I almost hope you lose now ;/
saying that as if it's shameful to lose to MKP TvP, even in his slump mkp can still play it solidly
losing to prime players is shameful regardless of the circumstances
such bad manner, dodgin
I'm mostly joking, It's not shameful, but It's kind of bad to be losing to players who don't have a good training environment. I guess that's what I'm trying to say.
It's actually very shameful... First all-killed Prime earlier this month... This is only proving that the all-kill was a fluke if anything.
All killing prime isn't an accomplishment. It's like all killing hoseo, everyone does it there's no shine to it anymore call me when you all kill FXO or azubu.
First is actually the only one to all-kill Prime this season so far... As shocking as this may be, it's true.
Wut, I swore they were getting all killed as often as hoseo I guess my memory serves me wrong rofl.
They get 3-killed a lot, but never all-killed until First.
seriously that was so bad by mkp... cmon mkp............ win vs first and have the tosses battle it out .... that was really fucking bad. worse than when Bomber tunnel visions.....
That wasn't a throw by MKP at all... Hurricane baited the Vikings and Medivacs away and positioned his Colossi perfectly at the top of the ramp so MKP had to take an engagement or lose the majority of his army... ~_~
MKP was so fucking ahead, he could of just sat back and turtled with drop haras after the damage to the natural fml. Instead he didn't scout the colli, see's the colli can't engage, sits in front of natural and gets owned when Tear had a good army size. FML Should of won that fml
On May 30 2013 22:01 DrPandaPhD wrote: Hurricane forced such a good fight there
MKP would have won that easily if he didnt' fly his Medivacs & Vikings somewhere else than his Bio though...
I bet he just didn't think that Hurricane would chase.
He really should have stimmed his units on the retreat or position himself for a better fight.
Yeah I think so too. Still really bad play, he should have realized better in what situation he is in, he already lost a good chunk of units when he killed the nexus so it was pretty clear in my opinion that Hurricane would want to force an engagement.
edit:
That wasn't a throw by MKP at all... Hurricane baited the Vikings and Medivacs away and positioned his Colossi perfectly at the top of the ramp so MKP had to take an engagement or lose the majority of his army... ~_~
He could only "bait" the Medivacs and Vikings away because they were very out of position in the first place though... They should be behind his Bio to be protected from Stalkers, not in front of it. That's a really bad blunder.
On May 30 2013 22:04 Elite_ wrote: That wasn't a throw by MKP at all... Hurricane baited the Vikings and Medivacs away and positioned his Colossi perfectly at the top of the ramp so MKP had to take an engagement or lose the majority of his army... ~_~
Hooray! Someone else was actually watching the game!
On May 30 2013 22:04 Pandemona wrote: MKP was so fucking ahead, he could of just sat back and turtled with drop haras after the damage to the natural fml. Instead he didn't scout the colli, see's the colli can't engage, sits in front of natural and gets owned when Tear had a good army size. FML Should of won that fml
On May 30 2013 22:04 Elite_ wrote: That wasn't a throw by MKP at all... Hurricane baited the Vikings and Medivacs away and positioned his Colossi perfectly at the top of the ramp so MKP had to take an engagement or lose the majority of his army... ~_~
I think the throw part is MKP letting his army get into that position in the first place. :p
On May 30 2013 22:04 Elite_ wrote: That wasn't a throw by MKP at all... Hurricane baited the Vikings and Medivacs away and positioned his Colossi perfectly at the top of the ramp so MKP had to take an engagement or lose the majority of his army... ~_~
I think the throw part is MKP letting his army get into that position in the first place. :p
indeed, and even then he could have ran away with a stim if his reaction time was faster there, wouldn't have lost that many units.
On May 30 2013 22:04 Elite_ wrote: That wasn't a throw by MKP at all... Hurricane baited the Vikings and Medivacs away and positioned his Colossi perfectly at the top of the ramp so MKP had to take an engagement or lose the majority of his army... ~_~
I think the throw part is MKP letting his army get into that position in the first place. :p
And letting his 3rd pretty much burn down to a couple of zealots. His reactions seem pretty slow of late.
On May 30 2013 22:04 Elite_ wrote: That wasn't a throw by MKP at all... Hurricane baited the Vikings and Medivacs away and positioned his Colossi perfectly at the top of the ramp so MKP had to take an engagement or lose the majority of his army... ~_~
Hooray! Someone else was actually watching the game!
It's a throw. You can easily put vikings and medivacs "away" from toss units by puting them with bio :D And simply do not a-move all map long with those types of units :/
On May 30 2013 22:04 Elite_ wrote: That wasn't a throw by MKP at all... Hurricane baited the Vikings and Medivacs away and positioned his Colossi perfectly at the top of the ramp so MKP had to take an engagement or lose the majority of his army... ~_~
Hooray! Someone else was actually watching the game!
It's a throw in the sense that he wasn't thinking clearly. He may have thought he was too ahead to lose and just casually moved his army back without formation.
He had a number of options open to him - he could have rushed back to his natural by stimming his army keeping formation intact or he could have lifted his CC at his third and defended zealots at his natural while multitasking his main army.
Well, thats another career going to die unless he gets out of Prime and into a different atmosphere. Seed has done it by going to FXO to try something new to get his career going again. Too much of the same thing is bad. MKP DRG need to do something different, i refuse to let MKP die
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ((((((((((((((((((((((((( Goddamn MarineKing, some drops and a bunker, is that too much to ask?
I don't know why Marineking forced that first engagement at the third. Both Time Warps were dropped the MsC was totally out of energy and he just stood in the Time Warp and ate the the extra damage from the Zealots as a result.
I feel like HotS doesn't fit MKP's style at all, protoss can defend very well so these mid game agressions on one point can't really do well, thus you are forced to take small advantages and wait for the late game to use them, instead of powering through your opponent like on WoL.
These proxy pylons always working against MKP are saddening too, he needs a complete revamp of playstyle :/.
Tear and Hurricane, exactly who I wanted to make it today. :D Yay! LG-IM with 4 Code S players so far, next up YongHwa will finally make a proper attempt instead of going to foreign tournaments.
I'm sorry marine king doesn't deserve to be in code s on those displays. its like he doesn't learn from his mistakes at all. no scanning for observers essentially giving the protoss a free maphack every game and then letting zealot run-bys rape you time and time again and not either sim city-ing or just popping up some static defence.....
mkp played poorly to finish this, he started off bad but got a distinct advantage when he killed all colossi in the middle. He controlled his vikings poorly in every fight since, you really need about 4~ vikings per colossus in those later fights, he had like 1-2 vikings per colossus.
MKP needs to get on a team that can coach him harder (ST or a kespa team more likely), PRIME players seem to lack strategy/preparation and that's usually on coaches...
On May 30 2013 22:24 daybreakk wrote: MKP needs to get on a team that can coach him harder (ST or a kespa team more likely), PRIME players seem to lack strategy/preparation and that's usually on coaches...
there we go blaming the coaches like we did with LG-IM Prime used to have really good preping in WoL.. Don't know what's happening T_T They need support asap. It's hard to maintain motivation in such a 'depressing' environment T_T
ah well i actually honestly thought mkp would go 0-4 today, glad to see he can still win some games at least. he has a good shot of making the nestea award if he improves
On May 30 2013 22:26 Big J wrote: So far 2/5 Kespa players 4/10 eSF players to make it through the up and downs
so even
I dislike how the protoss army works. Protoss units are so stupid tbh. Strong with support aoe, shit without it. I hope First and Hurricane show us great play.
On May 30 2013 22:28 opterown wrote: ah well i actually honestly thought mkp would go 0-4 today, glad to see he can still win some games at least. he has a good shot of making the nestea award if he improves
If Leenock requalifies for the next season his NesTea award is slightly more awesome : p
On May 30 2013 22:24 daybreakk wrote: MKP needs to get on a team that can coach him harder (ST or a kespa team more likely), PRIME players seem to lack strategy/preparation and that's usually on coaches...
there we go blaming the coaches like we did with LG-IM Prime used to have really good preping in WoL.. Don't know what's happening T_T They need support asap. It's hard to maintain motivation in such a 'depressing' environment T_T
I'm not saying it's entirely on the coaches, MKP is a player who has some glaring flaws, but one of those is his ability to strategize prior to and during a game, and it's clear whatever Gerrard is doing with him isn't working out in HotS...and it's not just him, but Creator and ByuN have huge talent pools to draw on and are suffering in HotS as well :/ I love PRIME ut they need help...and a Zerg, so surprised they didn't go after CoCa yet!
DRG and MKP should not get the award, because of Blizzard GSL and OSL have to alternate now but you still failed to retain your Code S spot for 10 seasons in a row. It should make absolutely no difference where It's held. They should just discontinue the award entirely.
On May 30 2013 22:28 opterown wrote: ah well i actually honestly thought mkp would go 0-4 today, glad to see he can still win some games at least. he has a good shot of making the nestea award if he improves
He played well today imho, this was actually one of the hardest groups he could get. Had he played like this in one of the previous two groups, I think he would've made it.
the award isn't something that means much, anyway. i'm not too fussed about it, just an arbitrary number that doesn't really affect your prize winnings or whatever
On May 30 2013 22:31 Dodgin wrote: DRG and MKP should not get the award, because of Blizzard GSL and OSL have to alternate now but you still failed to retain your Code S spot for 10 seasons in a row. It should make absolutely no difference where It's held. They should just discontinue the award entirely.
edit: after giving it to leenock
I agree with this. The award will be way too hard to get in the future for newcomers and since Leenock did what was required he should get it and then they should just discontinue it.
I don't care about some reward, I just want MarineKing to play dominantly like he did like...1 year and a half ago? God that's an eternity since I've not witnessed that.
On May 30 2013 22:24 daybreakk wrote: MKP needs to get on a team that can coach him harder (ST or a kespa team more likely), PRIME players seem to lack strategy/preparation and that's usually on coaches...
there we go blaming the coaches like we did with LG-IM Prime used to have really good preping in WoL.. Don't know what's happening T_T They need support asap. It's hard to maintain motivation in such a 'depressing' environment T_T
I'm not saying it's entirely on the coaches, MKP is a player who has some glaring flaws, but one of those is his ability to strategize prior to and during a game, and it's clear whatever Gerrard is doing with him isn't working out in HotS...and it's not just him, but Creator and ByuN have huge talent pools to draw on and are suffering in HotS as well :/ I love PRIME ut they need help...and a Zerg, so surprised they didn't go after CoCa yet!
fuse prime and nshoseo and you might have a team that can compete within the ESF world (not the kespa/ESF world though im afraid)
On May 30 2013 22:35 ZenithM wrote: I don't care about some reward, I just want MarineKing to play dominantly like he did like...1 year and a half ago? God that's an eternity since I've not witnessed that.
well at least he had a bit of glory. for a long time it looked like MKP would become a guy with no titles except kong.
On May 30 2013 22:24 daybreakk wrote: MKP needs to get on a team that can coach him harder (ST or a kespa team more likely), PRIME players seem to lack strategy/preparation and that's usually on coaches...
there we go blaming the coaches like we did with LG-IM Prime used to have really good preping in WoL.. Don't know what's happening T_T They need support asap. It's hard to maintain motivation in such a 'depressing' environment T_T
I'm not saying it's entirely on the coaches, MKP is a player who has some glaring flaws, but one of those is his ability to strategize prior to and during a game, and it's clear whatever Gerrard is doing with him isn't working out in HotS...and it's not just him, but Creator and ByuN have huge talent pools to draw on and are suffering in HotS as well :/ I love PRIME ut they need help...and a Zerg, so surprised they didn't go after CoCa yet!
fuse prime and nshoseo and you might have a team that can compete within the ESF world (not the kespa/ESF world though im afraid)
On May 30 2013 22:24 daybreakk wrote: MKP needs to get on a team that can coach him harder (ST or a kespa team more likely), PRIME players seem to lack strategy/preparation and that's usually on coaches...
there we go blaming the coaches like we did with LG-IM Prime used to have really good preping in WoL.. Don't know what's happening T_T They need support asap. It's hard to maintain motivation in such a 'depressing' environment T_T
I'm not saying it's entirely on the coaches, MKP is a player who has some glaring flaws, but one of those is his ability to strategize prior to and during a game, and it's clear whatever Gerrard is doing with him isn't working out in HotS...and it's not just him, but Creator and ByuN have huge talent pools to draw on and are suffering in HotS as well :/ I love PRIME ut they need help...and a Zerg, so surprised they didn't go after CoCa yet!
fuse prime and nshoseo and you might have a team that can compete within the ESF world (not the kespa/ESF world though im afraid)
On May 30 2013 22:35 ZenithM wrote: I don't care about some reward, I just want MarineKing to play dominantly like he did like...1 year and a half ago? God that's an eternity since I've not witnessed that.
On May 30 2013 22:35 ZenithM wrote: I don't care about some reward, I just want MarineKing to play dominantly like he did like...1 year and a half ago? God that's an eternity since I've not witnessed that.
On May 30 2013 22:35 ZenithM wrote: I don't care about some reward, I just want MarineKing to play dominantly like he did like...1 year and a half ago? God that's an eternity since I've not witnessed that.
On May 30 2013 22:24 daybreakk wrote: MKP needs to get on a team that can coach him harder (ST or a kespa team more likely), PRIME players seem to lack strategy/preparation and that's usually on coaches...
there we go blaming the coaches like we did with LG-IM Prime used to have really good preping in WoL.. Don't know what's happening T_T They need support asap. It's hard to maintain motivation in such a 'depressing' environment T_T
I'm not saying it's entirely on the coaches, MKP is a player who has some glaring flaws, but one of those is his ability to strategize prior to and during a game, and it's clear whatever Gerrard is doing with him isn't working out in HotS...and it's not just him, but Creator and ByuN have huge talent pools to draw on and are suffering in HotS as well :/ I love PRIME ut they need help...and a Zerg, so surprised they didn't go after CoCa yet!
fuse prime and nshoseo and you might have a team that can compete within the ESF world (not the kespa/ESF world though im afraid)
lol prime/NSH would still be pretty crap
But they'd get all the fangirls, with MadBull and MKP.
On May 30 2013 23:10 sitromit wrote: Maybe DRG and MKP will meet in the first round of Code A to bring a new dimension to their rivalry. Loser goes to Code B! o_O
I Would kill for a GSL final between MKP and DRG (or any combination of DRG MKP MMA MVP Nestea MC, but that's obviously unlikely now... Maybe Season 2 finals...)
On May 30 2013 23:10 sitromit wrote: Maybe DRG and MKP will meet in the first round of Code A to bring a new dimension to their rivalry. Loser goes to Code B! o_O
well, as sad as it is, neither of them has been a relevant player for like a year. I feel like they both suffer from the same weakness. They both weren't able to adapt to the more textbooklike starcraft and raw skill just isn't enough anymore these days.
On May 30 2013 23:10 sitromit wrote: Maybe DRG and MKP will meet in the first round of Code A to bring a new dimension to their rivalry. Loser goes to Code B! o_O
well, as sad as it is, neither of them has been a relevant player for like a year. I feel like they both suffer from the same weakness. They both weren't able to adapt to the more textbooklike starcraft and raw skill just isn't enough anymore these days.
I don't know if you meant it that way, but if you mean that raw skill alone can't make you power through anymore, first I have to fully agree, and second, as the biggest MKP fan out there, I would even argue that MKP's raw skill itself just isn't enough anymore. It was at the top before, but standards have changed. He still has top micro and macro, but his multitasking is really lacking. His sense of aggression seems to have dulled too. Before you would see that he knew he could kill the guy the instant he pulled SCVs, nowadays it just seems that he's doing it randomly because he's seen others do it :/
When I see MKP play, I always tell myself "B-b-b-but...why doesn't he play more like Innovation?". Silly me
On May 30 2013 22:35 ZenithM wrote: I don't care about some reward, I just want MarineKing to play dominantly like he did like...1 year and a half ago? God that's an eternity since I've not witnessed that.
TBH, I don't think Claire will have the chance to dominate these days
On May 30 2013 23:10 sitromit wrote: Maybe DRG and MKP will meet in the first round of Code A to bring a new dimension to their rivalry. Loser goes to Code B! o_O
well, as sad as it is, neither of them has been a relevant player for like a year. I feel like they both suffer from the same weakness. They both weren't able to adapt to the more textbooklike starcraft and raw skill just isn't enough anymore these days.
Actually, DRG used to play textbook Zerg. He was never like Leenock or Life, he played very standard. He's still doing what he used to do before, or trying to, but his execution is not what it used to be and it was his execution that put him above everyone else when he was at the top.
On May 30 2013 23:10 sitromit wrote: Maybe DRG and MKP will meet in the first round of Code A to bring a new dimension to their rivalry. Loser goes to Code B! o_O
well, as sad as it is, neither of them has been a relevant player for like a year. I feel like they both suffer from the same weakness. They both weren't able to adapt to the more textbooklike starcraft and raw skill just isn't enough anymore these days.
Actually, DRG used to play textbook Zerg. He was never like Leenock or Life, he played very standard. He's still doing what he used to do before, or trying to, but his execution is not what it used to be and it was his execution that put him above everyone else when he was at the top.
Yeah, he was the textbook zerg. I don't think his execution is the problem - though I haven't seen many games of him lately. From what I have seen, he just plays 2011 WoL zerg in 2013 HotS. At least that's what he did in 2012. And it was already quite bad strategywise at that time.
On May 30 2013 16:55 lichter wrote: I hope someone does SPL because I can't =/
First and True are my bets for the day
I can try to do both at the same time. I've got two screens so it should be possible. I'll just get the thread up if nobody else does it in the next 20 minutes
I wish I had a dual screen T_T
Joys of being able to watch it from home I could do them all the time if i didn't have to do this stupid thing called work ahaha.
Time to move to Australlia/Korea time zone to be able ahah
I do all my OPs at work while watching, lol
Perks of being the boss
well, I've got this much time because I screwed up my studies and now I have to study one extra year which means I've got almost nothing to do this year. And yeah, I fucked up because of watching and playing too much SC2 instead of learning ^.^
Gotta beware so I don't have to do the same. I want to study in the US or SK so can't let starcraft fuck me over, even if it's the best.
That group was so brutal for me to watch with the only guy I really cared about going last in the group but in the end the group was saved for me with the fall of MKP. Now he just needs to meet someone really good in ro48 and every code b qualifer ever.
On May 30 2013 22:22 Kasaraki wrote: Tear and Hurricane, exactly who I wanted to make it today. :D Yay! LG-IM with 4 Code S players so far, next up YongHwa will finally make a proper attempt instead of going to foreign tournaments.
On May 30 2013 22:22 Kasaraki wrote: Tear and Hurricane, exactly who I wanted to make it today. :D Yay! LG-IM with 4 Code S players so far, next up YongHwa will finally make a proper attempt instead of going to foreign tournaments.
I thought Tear was Hurricane?
I'm not a smart man. Actually it wasn't me being stupid, just a Freudian slip, since I was pondering which name of Hurricane/Tear to write in the post, and accidentally replaced First's name with the words I had been fixated upon.
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