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BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
May 21 2013 12:26 GMT
#1381
On May 21 2013 21:00 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 20:58 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:55 opterown wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:51 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:46 Bagi wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:43 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
I think sOs probably gets beaten a lot by Soulkey in teamhouse, so he got nervous in early matches, couple of bad mistakes made him flounder even more, so comes the multiple cheeses. And both probably didn't even practice for this series.

Somehow I find that highly unlikely.


It's likely because of their focus on SPL, usually they only get one day practice before GSL, or even just one stay up night.
And also some players did that in BW individual league before also, forgot who, they said they agreed not to practice for each other before the matches, only general practice. And it's a teamkill, coach won't care at all.

do you have a source for your first assertion?


Many interviews from proleague players said similar things about short practice before GSL, especially when they have a SPL match on Monday or Tuesday, they don't get any practice time at all for individual league if they want to sleep. I don't watch TL interviews, so I can't find them here.

I read just about all the interviews and such statements feel are actually quite rare, I feel that such assertions are blown out of proportion and devalue GSL.


It is not an assertion if there's evidence to support the statement (indirectly you stated so yourself). Kespa players are recruited and sponsored to play in pro league and that is their highest priority UNLESS the coach works with their player to accommodate practice time for an individual league which Kespa coaches have done and continue to do. How exactly was Charlie.Sheens factual comment intended to "devalue the GSL"? I can agree with you if the two leagues had identical map pools but evidently they don't.
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
May 21 2013 12:26 GMT
#1382
I'm currently making a LR for WCS EU Challenger, if anyone has plans for that, please tell me
theMagus
Profile Joined February 2013
578 Posts
May 21 2013 12:27 GMT
#1383
On May 21 2013 21:24 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 21:07 opterown wrote:
On May 21 2013 21:05 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
On May 21 2013 21:00 opterown wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:58 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:55 opterown wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:51 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:46 Bagi wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:43 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
I think sOs probably gets beaten a lot by Soulkey in teamhouse, so he got nervous in early matches, couple of bad mistakes made him flounder even more, so comes the multiple cheeses. And both probably didn't even practice for this series.

Somehow I find that highly unlikely.


It's likely because of their focus on SPL, usually they only get one day practice before GSL, or even just one stay up night.
And also some players did that in BW individual league before also, forgot who, they said they agreed not to practice for each other before the matches, only general practice. And it's a teamkill, coach won't care at all.

do you have a source for your first assertion?


Many interviews from proleague players said similar things about short practice before GSL, especially when they have a SPL match on Monday or Tuesday, they don't get any practice time at all for individual league if they want to sleep. I don't watch TL interviews, so I can't find them here.

I read just about all the interviews and such statements feel are actually quite rare, I feel that such assertions are blown out of proportion and devalue GSL.


I remember that about several weeks ago probably, maybe when there were a lot of matches in GSL, for several days, almost every interview from proleague player said they didn't have time to practice, couple of them said because of the previous day SPL, coach didn't give them time to practice at all.

i'd appreciate a link if you have one, i see this a lot on the forums but i don't remember seeing it often in interviews at all. maybe it's selective memory or something lol

On May 21 2013 21:05 StaplerPhone wrote:
I feel bad for people who stayed up to watch these games. At least Symbol vs. Innovation can't be worse than this, that's a plus.

sure it can, it might well be one-sided cheesy games haha


Ok, just saw the interview, definitely not the case I said. They practiced very well before the match, all protosses on the team helped Soulkey, and all zergs helped sOs to practice.


can you please link the interview? i can't find it. thanks
"Give away the stone. Let the oceans take and transmutate this cold and fated anchor. Let the waters kiss and transmutate these leaden grudges into gold. Let go."
kheldorin
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore539 Posts
May 21 2013 12:28 GMT
#1384
On May 21 2013 21:26 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 21:00 opterown wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:58 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:55 opterown wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:51 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:46 Bagi wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:43 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
I think sOs probably gets beaten a lot by Soulkey in teamhouse, so he got nervous in early matches, couple of bad mistakes made him flounder even more, so comes the multiple cheeses. And both probably didn't even practice for this series.

Somehow I find that highly unlikely.


It's likely because of their focus on SPL, usually they only get one day practice before GSL, or even just one stay up night.
And also some players did that in BW individual league before also, forgot who, they said they agreed not to practice for each other before the matches, only general practice. And it's a teamkill, coach won't care at all.

do you have a source for your first assertion?


Many interviews from proleague players said similar things about short practice before GSL, especially when they have a SPL match on Monday or Tuesday, they don't get any practice time at all for individual league if they want to sleep. I don't watch TL interviews, so I can't find them here.

I read just about all the interviews and such statements feel are actually quite rare, I feel that such assertions are blown out of proportion and devalue GSL.


It is not an assertion if there's evidence to support the statement (indirectly you stated so yourself). Kespa players are recruited and sponsored to play in pro league and that is their highest priority UNLESS the coach works with their player to accommodate practice time for an individual league which Kespa coaches have done and continue to do. How exactly was Charlie.Sheens factual comment intended to "devalue the GSL"? I can agree with you if the two leagues had identical map pools but evidently they don't.


The point is where is the evidence?? Just because you keep saying there is evidence doesn't make it true. Just link it.
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
May 21 2013 12:30 GMT
#1385
On May 21 2013 21:28 kheldorin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 21:26 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On May 21 2013 21:00 opterown wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:58 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:55 opterown wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:51 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:46 Bagi wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:43 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
I think sOs probably gets beaten a lot by Soulkey in teamhouse, so he got nervous in early matches, couple of bad mistakes made him flounder even more, so comes the multiple cheeses. And both probably didn't even practice for this series.

Somehow I find that highly unlikely.


It's likely because of their focus on SPL, usually they only get one day practice before GSL, or even just one stay up night.
And also some players did that in BW individual league before also, forgot who, they said they agreed not to practice for each other before the matches, only general practice. And it's a teamkill, coach won't care at all.

do you have a source for your first assertion?


Many interviews from proleague players said similar things about short practice before GSL, especially when they have a SPL match on Monday or Tuesday, they don't get any practice time at all for individual league if they want to sleep. I don't watch TL interviews, so I can't find them here.

I read just about all the interviews and such statements feel are actually quite rare, I feel that such assertions are blown out of proportion and devalue GSL.


It is not an assertion if there's evidence to support the statement (indirectly you stated so yourself). Kespa players are recruited and sponsored to play in pro league and that is their highest priority UNLESS the coach works with their player to accommodate practice time for an individual league which Kespa coaches have done and continue to do. How exactly was Charlie.Sheens factual comment intended to "devalue the GSL"? I can agree with you if the two leagues had identical map pools but evidently they don't.


The point is where is the evidence?? Just because you keep saying there is evidence doesn't make it true. Just link it.


Read Flashes interview.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397250
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
May 21 2013 12:31 GMT
#1386
On May 21 2013 21:28 kheldorin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 21:26 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On May 21 2013 21:00 opterown wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:58 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:55 opterown wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:51 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:46 Bagi wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:43 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
I think sOs probably gets beaten a lot by Soulkey in teamhouse, so he got nervous in early matches, couple of bad mistakes made him flounder even more, so comes the multiple cheeses. And both probably didn't even practice for this series.

Somehow I find that highly unlikely.


It's likely because of their focus on SPL, usually they only get one day practice before GSL, or even just one stay up night.
And also some players did that in BW individual league before also, forgot who, they said they agreed not to practice for each other before the matches, only general practice. And it's a teamkill, coach won't care at all.

do you have a source for your first assertion?


Many interviews from proleague players said similar things about short practice before GSL, especially when they have a SPL match on Monday or Tuesday, they don't get any practice time at all for individual league if they want to sleep. I don't watch TL interviews, so I can't find them here.

I read just about all the interviews and such statements feel are actually quite rare, I feel that such assertions are blown out of proportion and devalue GSL.


It is not an assertion if there's evidence to support the statement (indirectly you stated so yourself). Kespa players are recruited and sponsored to play in pro league and that is their highest priority UNLESS the coach works with their player to accommodate practice time for an individual league which Kespa coaches have done and continue to do. How exactly was Charlie.Sheens factual comment intended to "devalue the GSL"? I can agree with you if the two leagues had identical map pools but evidently they don't.


The point is where is the evidence?? Just because you keep saying there is evidence doesn't make it true. Just link it.

Back in BW at least, a number of times players mentioned they had prioritized teamleague over individual leagues. Idk about the current situation though, but it certainly has happened before.
Charlie.Sheen
Profile Joined March 2013
662 Posts
May 21 2013 12:37 GMT
#1387
On May 21 2013 21:27 theMagus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 21:24 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
On May 21 2013 21:07 opterown wrote:
On May 21 2013 21:05 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
On May 21 2013 21:00 opterown wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:58 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:55 opterown wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:51 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:46 Bagi wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:43 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
I think sOs probably gets beaten a lot by Soulkey in teamhouse, so he got nervous in early matches, couple of bad mistakes made him flounder even more, so comes the multiple cheeses. And both probably didn't even practice for this series.

Somehow I find that highly unlikely.


It's likely because of their focus on SPL, usually they only get one day practice before GSL, or even just one stay up night.
And also some players did that in BW individual league before also, forgot who, they said they agreed not to practice for each other before the matches, only general practice. And it's a teamkill, coach won't care at all.

do you have a source for your first assertion?


Many interviews from proleague players said similar things about short practice before GSL, especially when they have a SPL match on Monday or Tuesday, they don't get any practice time at all for individual league if they want to sleep. I don't watch TL interviews, so I can't find them here.

I read just about all the interviews and such statements feel are actually quite rare, I feel that such assertions are blown out of proportion and devalue GSL.


I remember that about several weeks ago probably, maybe when there were a lot of matches in GSL, for several days, almost every interview from proleague player said they didn't have time to practice, couple of them said because of the previous day SPL, coach didn't give them time to practice at all.

i'd appreciate a link if you have one, i see this a lot on the forums but i don't remember seeing it often in interviews at all. maybe it's selective memory or something lol

On May 21 2013 21:05 StaplerPhone wrote:
I feel bad for people who stayed up to watch these games. At least Symbol vs. Innovation can't be worse than this, that's a plus.

sure it can, it might well be one-sided cheesy games haha


Ok, just saw the interview, definitely not the case I said. They practiced very well before the match, all protosses on the team helped Soulkey, and all zergs helped sOs to practice.


can you please link the interview? i can't find it. thanks


Sorry, not English Interview.
silentsaint
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany540 Posts
May 21 2013 12:40 GMT
#1388
On May 21 2013 21:31 EtherealDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 21:28 kheldorin wrote:
On May 21 2013 21:26 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On May 21 2013 21:00 opterown wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:58 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:55 opterown wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:51 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:46 Bagi wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:43 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
I think sOs probably gets beaten a lot by Soulkey in teamhouse, so he got nervous in early matches, couple of bad mistakes made him flounder even more, so comes the multiple cheeses. And both probably didn't even practice for this series.

Somehow I find that highly unlikely.


It's likely because of their focus on SPL, usually they only get one day practice before GSL, or even just one stay up night.
And also some players did that in BW individual league before also, forgot who, they said they agreed not to practice for each other before the matches, only general practice. And it's a teamkill, coach won't care at all.

do you have a source for your first assertion?


Many interviews from proleague players said similar things about short practice before GSL, especially when they have a SPL match on Monday or Tuesday, they don't get any practice time at all for individual league if they want to sleep. I don't watch TL interviews, so I can't find them here.

I read just about all the interviews and such statements feel are actually quite rare, I feel that such assertions are blown out of proportion and devalue GSL.


It is not an assertion if there's evidence to support the statement (indirectly you stated so yourself). Kespa players are recruited and sponsored to play in pro league and that is their highest priority UNLESS the coach works with their player to accommodate practice time for an individual league which Kespa coaches have done and continue to do. How exactly was Charlie.Sheens factual comment intended to "devalue the GSL"? I can agree with you if the two leagues had identical map pools but evidently they don't.


The point is where is the evidence?? Just because you keep saying there is evidence doesn't make it true. Just link it.

Back in BW at least, a number of times players mentioned they had prioritized teamleague over individual leagues. Idk about the current situation though, but it certainly has happened before.


And it makes sense from the Team-Point-of-View.
The Teamleague is way better for representing your sponsor. Of course you also do that a little bit in the individual leagues but in the Teamleague its actually Sponsor X vs Sponsor Y and in the end one triumphes above the other.

That doesn't mean that they won't prepare for single leagues as there is also some glory to gain but I totally would understand if there would be some priority issue if there were conflicts in the schedules of the players/teams.
It really tied the room together.
theMagus
Profile Joined February 2013
578 Posts
May 21 2013 12:41 GMT
#1389
On May 21 2013 21:37 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 21:27 theMagus wrote:
On May 21 2013 21:24 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
On May 21 2013 21:07 opterown wrote:
On May 21 2013 21:05 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
On May 21 2013 21:00 opterown wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:58 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:55 opterown wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:51 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:46 Bagi wrote:
[quote]
Somehow I find that highly unlikely.


It's likely because of their focus on SPL, usually they only get one day practice before GSL, or even just one stay up night.
And also some players did that in BW individual league before also, forgot who, they said they agreed not to practice for each other before the matches, only general practice. And it's a teamkill, coach won't care at all.

do you have a source for your first assertion?


Many interviews from proleague players said similar things about short practice before GSL, especially when they have a SPL match on Monday or Tuesday, they don't get any practice time at all for individual league if they want to sleep. I don't watch TL interviews, so I can't find them here.

I read just about all the interviews and such statements feel are actually quite rare, I feel that such assertions are blown out of proportion and devalue GSL.


I remember that about several weeks ago probably, maybe when there were a lot of matches in GSL, for several days, almost every interview from proleague player said they didn't have time to practice, couple of them said because of the previous day SPL, coach didn't give them time to practice at all.

i'd appreciate a link if you have one, i see this a lot on the forums but i don't remember seeing it often in interviews at all. maybe it's selective memory or something lol

On May 21 2013 21:05 StaplerPhone wrote:
I feel bad for people who stayed up to watch these games. At least Symbol vs. Innovation can't be worse than this, that's a plus.

sure it can, it might well be one-sided cheesy games haha


Ok, just saw the interview, definitely not the case I said. They practiced very well before the match, all protosses on the team helped Soulkey, and all zergs helped sOs to practice.


can you please link the interview? i can't find it. thanks


Sorry, not English Interview.


aw, too bad. guess i'll have to wait for the translation.
"Give away the stone. Let the oceans take and transmutate this cold and fated anchor. Let the waters kiss and transmutate these leaden grudges into gold. Let go."
Nah
Profile Joined February 2010
Poland50 Posts
May 21 2013 12:44 GMT
#1390
Hey, can I expect any VODs from this match?
Protoss wins it all
silentsaint
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany540 Posts
May 21 2013 12:50 GMT
#1391
On May 21 2013 20:36 Valikyr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 20:30 Musicus wrote:
Tasteless had to call Innovation the best RTS player we've ever seen at least once today :D.

Yea lol. Where did the memory of Flash and Nada go
Flash is only the best BW player of all time while at the same time being one of the 3 best terrans in SC2.


Tastosis probably just do it to create a "storyline". You have to at least hype a little bit for that. Also, commentators always exageratte like hell to create suspense.
It really tied the room together.
theMagus
Profile Joined February 2013
578 Posts
May 21 2013 12:57 GMT
#1392
On May 21 2013 21:50 silentsaint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 20:36 Valikyr wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:30 Musicus wrote:
Tasteless had to call Innovation the best RTS player we've ever seen at least once today :D.

Yea lol. Where did the memory of Flash and Nada go
Flash is only the best BW player of all time while at the same time being one of the 3 best terrans in SC2.


Tastosis probably just do it to create a "storyline". You have to at least hype a little bit for that. Also, commentators always exageratte like hell to create suspense.


i agree. i wouldn't take things like that too seriously. they're just doing their jobs like they should be
"Give away the stone. Let the oceans take and transmutate this cold and fated anchor. Let the waters kiss and transmutate these leaden grudges into gold. Let go."
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
May 21 2013 13:08 GMT
#1393
On May 21 2013 21:50 silentsaint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 20:36 Valikyr wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:30 Musicus wrote:
Tasteless had to call Innovation the best RTS player we've ever seen at least once today :D.

Yea lol. Where did the memory of Flash and Nada go
Flash is only the best BW player of all time while at the same time being one of the 3 best terrans in SC2.


Tastosis probably just do it to create a "storyline". You have to at least hype a little bit for that. Also, commentators always exageratte like hell to create suspense.


But... Innovation is playing so much better than Flash right now. He's lost 3 maps this GSL. (Against Rain and Flash.)
maru G5L pls
theMagus
Profile Joined February 2013
578 Posts
May 21 2013 13:12 GMT
#1394
On May 21 2013 22:08 neptunusfisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 21:50 silentsaint wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:36 Valikyr wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:30 Musicus wrote:
Tasteless had to call Innovation the best RTS player we've ever seen at least once today :D.

Yea lol. Where did the memory of Flash and Nada go
Flash is only the best BW player of all time while at the same time being one of the 3 best terrans in SC2.


Tastosis probably just do it to create a "storyline". You have to at least hype a little bit for that. Also, commentators always exageratte like hell to create suspense.


But... Innovation is playing so much better than Flash right now. He's lost 3 maps this GSL. (Against Rain and Flash.)


okay, innovation is the best rts player of all time. lol.
"Give away the stone. Let the oceans take and transmutate this cold and fated anchor. Let the waters kiss and transmutate these leaden grudges into gold. Let go."
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
May 21 2013 13:17 GMT
#1395
I feel the distinction between best and most successful is very often blurred.
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
May 21 2013 13:19 GMT
#1396
On May 21 2013 22:12 theMagus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 22:08 neptunusfisk wrote:
On May 21 2013 21:50 silentsaint wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:36 Valikyr wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:30 Musicus wrote:
Tasteless had to call Innovation the best RTS player we've ever seen at least once today :D.

Yea lol. Where did the memory of Flash and Nada go
Flash is only the best BW player of all time while at the same time being one of the 3 best terrans in SC2.


Tastosis probably just do it to create a "storyline". You have to at least hype a little bit for that. Also, commentators always exageratte like hell to create suspense.


But... Innovation is playing so much better than Flash right now. He's lost 3 maps this GSL. (Against Rain and Flash.)


okay, innovation is the best rts player of all time. lol.


If you assume that the general level of play has been increasing over time (it has) and that SC2 is higher paced and harder to play "perfectly enough" than BW (which it is) and also that Flash is doing his best (which is likely), then it's not a unreasonable statement to claim Innovation being the best ever.
maru G5L pls
DeCoder
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland236 Posts
May 21 2013 13:20 GMT
#1397
On May 21 2013 20:57 739 wrote:
Whoa, almost a great comeback from sOs there judging by the results.


It was more like Soulkey doing his best to blow leads than sOs playing brilliantly.

A very messy series it was.
theMagus
Profile Joined February 2013
578 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 13:36:02
May 21 2013 13:29 GMT
#1398
On May 21 2013 22:19 neptunusfisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 22:12 theMagus wrote:
On May 21 2013 22:08 neptunusfisk wrote:
On May 21 2013 21:50 silentsaint wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:36 Valikyr wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:30 Musicus wrote:
Tasteless had to call Innovation the best RTS player we've ever seen at least once today :D.

Yea lol. Where did the memory of Flash and Nada go
Flash is only the best BW player of all time while at the same time being one of the 3 best terrans in SC2.


Tastosis probably just do it to create a "storyline". You have to at least hype a little bit for that. Also, commentators always exageratte like hell to create suspense.


But... Innovation is playing so much better than Flash right now. He's lost 3 maps this GSL. (Against Rain and Flash.)


okay, innovation is the best rts player of all time. lol.


If you assume that the general level of play has been increasing over time (it has) and that SC2 is higher paced and harder to play "perfectly enough" than BW (which it is) and also that Flash is doing his best (which is likely), then it's not a unreasonable statement to claim Innovation being the best ever.


sorry man, i'm not even gonna touch the topic of the best rts player ever. way too many factors involved there

edit: but if you ask my opinion, flash easily takes that title at this point
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Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
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May 21 2013 13:34 GMT
#1399
On May 21 2013 22:19 neptunusfisk wrote:
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On May 21 2013 22:12 theMagus wrote:
On May 21 2013 22:08 neptunusfisk wrote:
On May 21 2013 21:50 silentsaint wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:36 Valikyr wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:30 Musicus wrote:
Tasteless had to call Innovation the best RTS player we've ever seen at least once today :D.

Yea lol. Where did the memory of Flash and Nada go
Flash is only the best BW player of all time while at the same time being one of the 3 best terrans in SC2.


Tastosis probably just do it to create a "storyline". You have to at least hype a little bit for that. Also, commentators always exageratte like hell to create suspense.


But... Innovation is playing so much better than Flash right now. He's lost 3 maps this GSL. (Against Rain and Flash.)


okay, innovation is the best rts player of all time. lol.


If you assume that the general level of play has been increasing over time (it has) and that SC2 is higher paced and harder to play "perfectly enough" than BW (which it is) and also that Flash is doing his best (which is likely), then it's not a unreasonable statement to claim Innovation being the best ever.


Most of your premises are wrong. the level of play doesn't necessarily increase over time - it can stagnate, whether due to game limitations or lack of innovation (lol). Also, bw cannot, and never was, played perfectly. I don't know how you can conclude that sc2 is harder. Some have said that due to vulnerability to cheese but that's never been proven to be a determinant of stability, since the best players will also be master cheesers.
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theMagus
Profile Joined February 2013
578 Posts
May 21 2013 13:39 GMT
#1400
On May 21 2013 22:34 Caladbolg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 22:19 neptunusfisk wrote:
On May 21 2013 22:12 theMagus wrote:
On May 21 2013 22:08 neptunusfisk wrote:
On May 21 2013 21:50 silentsaint wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:36 Valikyr wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:30 Musicus wrote:
Tasteless had to call Innovation the best RTS player we've ever seen at least once today :D.

Yea lol. Where did the memory of Flash and Nada go
Flash is only the best BW player of all time while at the same time being one of the 3 best terrans in SC2.


Tastosis probably just do it to create a "storyline". You have to at least hype a little bit for that. Also, commentators always exageratte like hell to create suspense.


But... Innovation is playing so much better than Flash right now. He's lost 3 maps this GSL. (Against Rain and Flash.)


okay, innovation is the best rts player of all time. lol.


If you assume that the general level of play has been increasing over time (it has) and that SC2 is higher paced and harder to play "perfectly enough" than BW (which it is) and also that Flash is doing his best (which is likely), then it's not a unreasonable statement to claim Innovation being the best ever.


Most of your premises are wrong. the level of play doesn't necessarily increase over time - it can stagnate, whether due to game limitations or lack of innovation (lol). Also, bw cannot, and never was, played perfectly. I don't know how you can conclude that sc2 is harder. Some have said that due to vulnerability to cheese but that's never been proven to be a determinant of stability, since the best players will also be master cheesers.


on the topic of which game is harder, i would just link this video:



around the 12 min mark.

i'd take the opinion of a 2-time osl winner and currently code a level player over the opinion of a random tl poster any day
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